Obama Justice Department Screwed him over so Good For Trump
Trump pardons ex-Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio
U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday granted a pardon to former Arizona lawman and political ally Joe Arpaio, the self-proclaimed "toughest sheriff in America," less than a month after he was convicted of criminal contempt in a case involving his department's racial profiling policy.
http://news.trust.org/item/20170826001249-riciv
Racist bros gotta stick together.
Thought we were past the racist acquisitions. Haven't we moved on to incompetence this month?
So we live in a country where it's ok to illegally detain someone who happens to be brown, and marching with tiki torches while chanting Nazi slogans makes you a very fine person.
25th Amendment, please. Or impeachment. Or coercion. Don't care, just make him go away and give us Pence.
(08-25-2017, 10:48 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]So we live in a country where it's ok to illegally detain someone who happens to be brown, and marching with tiki torches while chanting Nazi slogans makes you a very fine person.
25th Amendment, please. Or impeachment. Or coercion. Don't care, just make him go away and give us Pence.
You want an ultra conservative in Office? Because that's what he is. Either way we're screwed just as we have been for the past couple of decades.
Trump is not even trying to be subtle regarding his white identity politics.
Trump or Pence - either way be lose. The Clueless v The Ayatollah.
Everything is racist, biggoted, and magnified now that a white guy is back in office. Quick, petition to get the name of the official residence at Pennsylvania Ave. changed. We must be offended!
(08-25-2017, 10:58 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-25-2017, 10:48 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]So we live in a country where it's ok to illegally detain someone who happens to be brown, and marching with tiki torches while chanting Nazi slogans makes you a very fine person.
25th Amendment, please. Or impeachment. Or coercion. Don't care, just make him go away and give us Pence.
You want an ultra conservative in Office? Because that's what he is. Either way we're screwed just as we have been for the past couple of decades.
Pence is, at least publicly, a gentleman who understands how to lead and govern, regardless of his agenda.
Trump is a playground bully. He's given a platform, credibility and an endorsement to white nationalism. He's made us a laughingstock and a pariah around the world, and it's only the calming influence of James "Mad Dog" Mattis and Rex Tillerson that's kept us off the brink with North Korea. I don't know any of his supporters here by name, and I wouldn't venture to slap the Nazi, alt-right or racist labels on them, but I will say that when people can continue to stand behind and rally around a President who has done more to support the 1% of this country that are overt racists and white nationalists than he has for the other 99% of us, it gives you pause.
So yes, if my choice is Trump or Pence, give me Pence any day. It doesn't matter. The Republican Party has been subverted into the party of white nationalism. It's a dead party walking, destined to fade away as its leader's actions continue to alienate the middle and push the party to the fringe. The Democrats are going to stomp the life out of the Republican Party in 2018, and whiz all over its remains in 2020. And, I mean, the only thing better than Trump wearing a white hood on the White House lawn is an unchallenged Thought Police Party, right?
(08-25-2017, 08:51 PM)The Holy Teal Wrote: [ -> ]Racist bros gotta stick together.
Hate to break it to you, but enforcing immigration laws that have been on the books since the 1980s is not racist.
Feeble liberal minds can't seem to wrap themselves around that concept.
(08-26-2017, 10:24 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2017, 10:23 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think legal immigrants and citizens can be detained just because their skin is brown?
Do you think an officer of the court can openly defy a court order?
Do you have an example of a legal immigrant being detained by Arpaio merely because of his skin color?
No, because they were eventually released, which is not the point. These were traffic stops. The U.S. Constitution requires probable cause. Is brown skin probable cause? Is evidence discovered in an unwarranted search and seizure admissible in court?
Do you think it's ok for an officer of the court to openly defy a court order?
Making America Great Again!
(08-26-2017, 11:56 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (08-26-2017, 11:12 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]No, because they were eventually released, which is not the point. These were traffic stops. The U.S. Constitution requires probable cause. Is brown skin probable cause? Is evidence discovered in an unwarranted search and seizure admissible in court?
Do you think it's ok for an officer of the court to openly defy a court order?
Once again, how do you know it was "brown skin" that was the reason?
Have you ever been to Phoenix? Ever lived there, by chance?
Let's just say it wasn't a bunch of white folks who speak fluent English that were walking around in pink handcuffs. You can defend the practice of racial profiling in whatever manner makes you sleep at night, but Sherriff Joe, in addition to the multitude of other crimes he'll never be punished for, led an institutionalized practice of racial profiling in defiance of court laws and the Constitution itself. He should rot in tent city with the people he illegally put there.
(08-25-2017, 08:51 PM)The Holy Teal Wrote: [ -> ]Racist bros gotta stick together.
Then Criminals gotta stick together, Your Boy Obama Pardoned of gave clemency to over 1,700 Criminals including 330 Federal Criminals in his last week in office. Oh, And Lets not forget he gave clemency to that Traitor Bradley (Chelsea) Manning.
https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-pardons
(08-26-2017, 11:56 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (08-26-2017, 11:12 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]No, because they were eventually released, which is not the point. These were traffic stops. The U.S. Constitution requires probable cause. Is brown skin probable cause? Is evidence discovered in an unwarranted search and seizure admissible in court?
Do you think it's ok for an officer of the court to openly defy a court order?
Once again, how do you know it was "brown skin" that was the reason? Not all illegals (or even Mexicans) have brown skin. Cops develop a judgement based on extensive experience, and that, rather than skin color, was probably the factor that determined who was detained.
And judges should not be ceded dictatorial power.
You are either willfully ignorant or incredibly naive. I know you'll discount anything done by the Obama era DoJ, but Arpaio was a bad actor.
(08-27-2017, 04:43 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (08-27-2017, 04:40 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]You are either willfully ignorant or incredibly naive. I know you'll discount anything done by the Obama era DoJ, but Arpaio was a bad actor.
So you couldn't answer my question.
Got it.
He was investigated and found to be illegally profiling, and told to stop. By a federal judge. What proof do you have to the contrary?
(08-26-2017, 10:24 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (08-25-2017, 10:48 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]So we live in a country where it's ok to illegally detain someone who happens to be brown, and marching with tiki torches while chanting Nazi slogans makes you a very fine person.
25th Amendment, please. Or impeachment. Or coercion. Don't care, just make him go away and give us Pence.
Hyperbole is strong in this one.
No one is saying that it's OK to illegally detain a person. It is within the right of the police to detain a person suspected of committing a crime. Maybe that needs to be changed, but that's another matter entirely.
No one on this board has said that "marching with tiki torches while chanting Nazi slogans makes you a very fine person." Neither did Trump, although that's the leftist media spin on his statement.
I saw some Soviet flags and Communist slogans in the [BLEEP]-hat march. Does that mean that everyone in the march was a Communist? Would you say that someone who said that there are some fine people in that march was saying that marching with a Soviet flag makes you a fine person?
Trump is a blustering boob, but his actual policy decisions, rather than his statements, have not been a problem. Maybe Pence would have done as well, maybe not. I do know that Pence would have gotten the same treatment from the mainstream media, making every little faux pas into a national crisis.
(08-26-2017, 10:23 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think legal immigrants and citizens can be detained just because their skin is brown?
Do you think an officer of the court can openly defy a court order?
Do you have an example of a legal immigrant being detained by Arpaio merely because of his skin color?
(08-26-2017, 11:12 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (08-26-2017, 10:24 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]
Do you have an example of a legal immigrant being detained by Arpaio merely because of his skin color?
No, because they were eventually released, which is not the point. These were traffic stops. The U.S. Constitution requires probable cause. Is brown skin probable cause? Is evidence discovered in an unwarranted search and seizure admissible in court?
Do you think it's ok for an officer of the court to openly defy a court order?
Under the prior administration, exactly that happened. ICE was effectively shut down by the babbling buffoon.
To add, there is a procedure in place to immigrate to the US LEGALLY. Those who don't choose that path are breaking the law. Arizona is inundated with illegal aliens. If a LEGAL immigrant is pulled over and checked, they have nothing to worry about.
This is no difference than police watching known drug houses, and pulling over cars that leave that place.
It goes back to the old saying, if you do no wrong, no wrong will come to you.