Quote:Coaches are supposed to put their players in a places to succeed.... and Gus has never done that. This team continues to come out flat in the first half.. who does that fall on?
For a change, yesterday wasn't a loss you can pin on the coaches. Three turnovers, dropped passes, and a lousy call cost the team a game. I know many here need to blame Gus for every loss. This one wasn't on him. The team was in a position to win it almost the entire game. KC did everything they could to hand the game to them. They simply found ways to squander every opportunity. That's what this team does. Coaching wise, this might have been one of their best games of the season. They still lost because that's just what they do.
Quote:I could live with the "getting better every day" philosophy, if it was actually happening.
bingo!
This topic wasn't specifically about this game. It's about the culture Gus has created vs. the culture a veteran knows from a winning team.
I agree that yesterday's game isn't on Gus - it was on the players and the refs.
Quote:For a change, yesterday wasn't a loss you can pin on the coaches. Three turnovers, dropped passes, and a lousy call cost the team a game. I know many here need to blame Gus for every loss. This one wasn't on him. The team was in a position to win it almost the entire game. KC did everything they could to hand the game to them. They simply found ways to squander every opportunity. That's what this team does. Coaching wise, this might have been one of their best games of the season. They still lost because that's just what they do.
I agree with this for the most part but the offense AGAIN came out flat.
3+ years in and people STILL don't understand the logic in this philosophy?
Horrid coaches accept an 80% effort and will say we can get better, we are getting better.
Good coaches accept 110% effort and will bench players who give anything less.
I respect everyones opinion on Gus. Obviously; this season hurts. Just wish this team could get beyond the jinky stuff to give ol' Gus a chance.
Every game, whether its Blake throwing behind Lee for a pick in back to back games, throwing picks in the endzone completely killing any kind of momentum or these past three games each including a muffed punt, not to mention the officiating every game, there's alway some jinky mess going on.
Quote:I respect everyones opinion on Gus. Obviously; this season hurts. Just wish this team could get beyond the jinky stuff to give ol' Gus a chance.
Every game, whether its Blake throwing behind Lee for a pick in back to back games, throwing picks in the endzone completely killing any kind of momentum or these past three games each including a muffed punt, not to mention the officiating every game, there's alway some jinky mess going on.
Give Gus a chance?
What do you think a coaches job is? Do you feel he has done a good job in preparing the players to win but the players keep messing it up?
Quote:Give Gus a chance?
What do you think a coaches job is? Do you feel he has done a good job in preparing the players to win but the players keep messing it up?
2 examples I can name is the called fumble at the end zone and the fumble on the punt return. Gus had absolutely no effect on those plays. One an egregious officiating error, the other an ill-timed hit.
Quote:2 examples I can name is the called fumble at the end zone and the fumble on the punt return. Gus had absolutely no effect on those plays. One an egregious officiating error, the other an ill-timed hit.
Dude this isn't about yesterday's game. you're 14-42 or whatever... yesterday wasn't on Gus, but his time has run out.
Quote:Dude this isn't about yesterday's game. you're 14-42 or whatever... yesterday wasn't on Gus, but his time has run out.
That reply was specific to the poster rather than the OP. This post was made in response to our most recent loss, am I correct? I really have no idea why you make these posts. Win or lose, the rest of the way you will feel the same about Gus. If it's therapeutic go ahead and say so. I'm not about to waste time going into the minutiae with someone whose mind is decided. We get it, Gus needs to be fired...
Quote:That reply was specific to the poster rather than the OP. This post was made in response to our most recent loss, am I correct? I really have no idea why you make these posts. Win or lose, the rest of the way you will feel the same about Gus. If it's therapeutic go ahead and say so. I'm not about to waste time going into the minutiae with someone whose mind is decided. We get it, Gus needs to be fired...
why do I make these posts? The same reason we are all logged in right now. To discuss the Jags.. to be excited when there is something to be excited about, and to be frustrated when you're frustrated. Is it therapeutic? I think it is, otherwise almost nobody would be here.
Quote:why do I make these posts? The same reason we are all logged in right now. To discuss the Jags.. to be excited when there is something to be excited about, and to be frustrated when you're frustrated. Is it therapeutic? I think it is, otherwise almost nobody would be here.
There's a difference in wanting to have a discussion and rehashing we need to fire Bradley ad infinitum.
Quote:There's a difference in wanting to have a discussion and rehashing we need to fire Bradley ad infinitum.
You can choose not to discuss it if you wish.
I'll happily await some new and insightful discussion coming from you or anyone else.
Quote:This is one key reason why I believe it's important to have veteran players from winning organizations on a roster.
Exactly
If I were Shad Khan, I would set up a meeting with Malik Jackson and Beachum to get their personal opinion on the difference between the Broncos, Steelers, and Jags. Is it a lack of talent level here OR is it the way we gameplan (watching film to observe opponent weaknesses), OR is it our toleration to simply trying your best OR ........
Quote:You can choose not to discuss it if you wish.
I'll happily await some new and insightful discussion coming from you or anyone else.
Well, I kinda did choose not to discuss it, but instead quoted a poster who was placing this game on Gus. You then jumped in to tell me this was about Gus as a whole, even though you basically used this last game as an excuse to start this thread.
Quote:I respect everyones opinion on Gus. Obviously; this season hurts. Just wish this team could get beyond the jinky stuff to give ol' Gus a chance.
Every game, whether its Blake throwing behind Lee for a pick in back to back games, throwing picks in the endzone completely killing any kind of momentum or these past three games each including a muffed punt, not to mention the officiating every game, there's alway some jinky mess going on.
Prior to the KC game, we were outscored 57-6 in the 1st half of the prior 3 games.
It goes beyond "jinky" stuff.
Quote:For a change, yesterday wasn't a loss you can pin on the coaches. Three turnovers, dropped passes, and a lousy call cost the team a game. I know many here need to blame Gus for every loss. This one wasn't on him. The team was in a position to win it almost the entire game. KC did everything they could to hand the game to them. They simply found ways to squander every opportunity. That's what this team does. Coaching wise, this might have been one of their best games of the season. They still lost because that's just what they do.
Agree re: the loss.
RE: the topic, this is apples and oranges.
Gus is right to expect the young players to improve, it's the "race to maturity" they spoke of - so they can focus on winning, which is what Beachum is speaking of. The goal of all is the same (winning,) but the rookies and young players are in a different point on the learning curve than the veterans.
It's just not a sound comparison. There's plenty of earned criticism for Gus, but this thread is simply a reach and poor excuse to pile on.
Quote:I agree with this for the most part but the offense AGAIN came out flat.
Its Bortles thats why. Erratic passes and bad decisions.
Quote:For a change, yesterday wasn't a loss you can pin on the coaches. Three turnovers, dropped passes, and a lousy call cost the team a game. I know many here need to blame Gus for every loss. This one wasn't on him.
I must admit that, after the Ivory fumble, when the turned the camera to Gus, I actually felt bad for him.