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The Jaguars have 5  turnovers this season.  5.  In 8 games they have 5.  And a -12 differential.  This after stressing takeaways in the offseason.  Someone please explain this.

Quote:The Jaguars have 5  turnovers this season.  5.  In 8 games they have 5.  And a -12 differential.  This after stressing takeaways in the offseason.  Someone please explain this.

 

The defense has created 5 turnovers this season.  The offense has turned it over 12 times more than that.  Is the explanation clear enough for you?

Quote:The Jaguars have 5 turnovers this season. 5. In 8 games they have 5. And a -12 differential. This after stressing takeaways in the offseason. Someone please explain this.

Yeah, playing from behind. It's an underneath defense, you're not going to see a ton of turnovers if the offense is forced to check down. It only happens when you force them to pass into coverage.

Quote:The defense has created 5 turnovers this season.  The offense has turned it over 12 times more than that.  Is the explanation clear enough for you? 

 

Did JW somehow get his password?

Quote:Yeah, playing from behind. It's an underneath defense, you're not going to see a ton of turnovers if the offense is forced to check down. It only happens when you force them to pass into coverage.

 

I don't think that explains everything though.  Here are the worst teams in the league (2 wins or less):

 

Browns - 8 takeaways, -4 differential
Bears - 7 takaways, -2 differential
49ers - 11 takeaways, -6 differential
Jags - 5 takeaways, -12 differential
 
The Jaguars are on pace for -24 differential.  This is not normal even for a bad team.  

Quote:Did JW somehow get his password?

 

You asked a question, I gave an answer.  What more do you want?

Quote:You asked a question, I gave an answer.  What more do you want?

 

You could have at least explained it in common core math.

Quote:You could have at least explained it in common core math.

 

I guess little cupcakes like you only understand common core math.

Its because our scheme is built to keep everything underneath and tackle the receiver after the catch for short yardage. Our scheme is made to get pressure with only 4 rushers (broken).

Very vanilla and "bend but don't break" type of stuff. Not very exotic at all. 

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I don't think that explains everything though.  Here are the worst teams in the league (2 wins or less):

 

<div>Browns - 8 takeaways, -4 differential
Bears - 7 takaways, -2 differential
49ers - 11 takeaways, -6 differential
Jags - 5 takeaways, -12 differential
 
The Jaguars are on pace for -24 differential.  This is not normal even for a bad team.  
 

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  Other than the actual score of a game,  turnover differential is probably the most important stat in a game.

 

  Considering the Jaguars have 2 wins this season,  with a noticeably worse turnover differential than the other 2 or less win teams,   the likelihood is this ratio has cost the team at least one game.  Realistically 2 games,    Though I think it's likely a HC change will be made no later than soon after the regular season ends,   the only way I can envision Gus Bradley to have more than a snowball's chance at keeping his job is for the ratio to improve substantially in the 2nd half of the season.   

Quote:I don't think that explains everything though. Here are the worst teams in the league (2 wins or less):


Browns - 8 takeaways, -4 differential

Bears - 7 takaways, -2 differential

49ers - 11 takeaways, -6 differential

Jags - 5 takeaways, -12 differential


The Jaguars are on pace for -24 differential. This is not normal even for a bad team.

Actually, the truth is you don't accept my answer. You came back at me with stats, but I'm pretty sure the teams listed don't run our defense. Why do you think the yardage totals are low? You can't consistently hit over the top. If we have a lead, teams will be forced to throw into the teeth of the defense. Obviously time must be a factor. Other than that, the pass rush would need to become a factor.

Quote:Actually, the truth is you don't accept my answer. You came back at me with stats, but I'm pretty sure the teams listed don't run our defense. Why do you think the yardage totals are low? You can't consistently hit over the top. If we have a lead, teams will be forced to throw into the teeth of the defense. Obviously time must be a factor. Other than that, the pass rush would need to become a factor.

 

Your argument is that the the low takaways are a result of the design of the defense.  This is in direct contradiction with the message of the coaching staff insisting they needed more takaways than last season, and made that a point of emphasis.  And that's only part of the equation.  The giveaways are not just a result of them playing from behind.  It's just a part of who they are at this point.   You are arguing that turnovers are the end result of a problem.  But in more cases the turnovers are the starting cause of the problem.

Quote:Your argument is that the the low takaways are a result of the design of the defense. This is in direct contradiction with the message of the coaching staff insisting they needed more takaways than last season, and made that a point of emphasis. And that's only part of the equation. The giveaways are not just a result of them playing from behind. It's just a part of who they are at this point. You are arguing that turnovers are the end result of a problem. But in more cases the turnovers are the starting cause of the problem.

I guess you don't realize that turnovers are stressed, or a point of emphasis, for every defensive coach every year. Smart offenses will take what you give them, in this case the underneath. If you can apply pressure, via the rush, you can get turnovers this way. If not, you need an offense to take chances because they are behind. There are of course instances where you can jump a route or recover a fumble, but against a competent offense you'll need to be lucky. I guess you had the answer to original question all along. Why bother asking...

Quote:I guess you don't realize that turnovers are stressed, or a point of emphasis, for every defensive coach every year. Smart offenses will take what you give them, in this case the underneath. If you can apply pressure, via the rush, you can get turnovers this way. If not, you need an offense to take chances because they are behind. There are of course instances where you can jump a route or recover a fumble, but against a competent offense you'll need to be lucky. I guess you had the answer to original question all along. Why bother asking...

 

I get all that but:

 

2014: 20 takeaways, 26 giveaways (-6)

2015: 18 takeaways, 28 giveaways (-10)

"we need more takeaways"

...

2016 (projected): 10 takeaways, 34 giveaways (-24)

 

So do I have the answer to why a team gets worse at several things when provided with better talent?  Maybe I am beating around the bush.  I don't know how, but I think I know who.

Quote:I get all that but:


2014: 20 takeaways, 26 giveaways (-6)

2015: 18 takeaways, 28 giveaways (-10)

"we need more takeaways"

...

2016 (projected): 10 takeaways, 34 giveaways (-24)


So do I have the answer to why a team gets worse at several things when provided with better talent? Maybe I am beating around the bush. I don't know how, but I think I know who.

So, all in all, another not-so-clever attempt to bash Bradley. Carry on...

Quote:So, all in all, another not-so-clever attempt to bash Bradley. Carry on...

 

Bash Bradley?  Seriously?  In what universe should he not be bashed????  Poor Bradley right?  Year 4 and the team is getting worse?  It is the simplest conclusion of them all.   Bradley was hired to prevent what is actually happening RIGHT NOW.  He has been worse than expected.  That is a fact.  The question is why.  You now actually sound like you are defending Bradley because of his own scheme.  HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SCHEME.  He is responsible for everything you are defending him for.  And you think I'm trying to "cleverly" bash him.   You are bashing him.  Nobody needs to find clever ways to bash Gus Bradley.  There is no other conclusion to be made.

The Jags did appear to have better rushing stats this game than they have had previously this season. However, the bottom line remains the bottom line; failure to score more points than our opponents. Stats are 'interesting'... but at the end of the game the only stat that matters is the score... and ours is still not good.

Quote:Bash Bradley? Seriously? In what universe should he not be bashed???? Poor Bradley right? Year 4 and the team is getting worse? It is the simplest conclusion of them all. Bradley was hired to prevent what is actually happening RIGHT NOW. He has been worse than expected. That is a fact. The question is why. You now actually sound like you are defending Bradley because of his own scheme. HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SCHEME. He is responsible for everything you are defending him for. And you think I'm trying to "cleverly" bash him. You are bashing him. Nobody needs to find clever ways to bash Gus Bradley. There is no other conclusion to be made.

Then what was the point of your original question?

Quote:I hate what ifs, but remove one of those turnovers, the Jaguars win. Take away all three, they dominate.

And, of course, one of them wasn't actually a turnover. It was a touchdown.

Quote:And, of course, one of them wasn't actually a turnover. It was a touchdown.

It went down in the books as a fumble. That's all that really matters. That fumble was a bogus call, but it stood. It doesn't negate the fact that the offense was far more productive. We just found another way to lose with three additional turnovers. In the end, that bad call shouldn't have cost the game.