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Roy Miller was that good. What we did by letting him go and adding Malik Jackson was essentially trade off run defense for getting an inside pass rushing presence. Miller was never a consistent pass rusher, but on the flip side, Jackson is no run-stuffer by any means. The team also vastly overrated the run stuffing abilities of Abry Jones. That will have to be adjusted in the off season. One guy I like in the mid to late rounds is DT Bruce Hector of South Florida.

(10-19-2017, 06:23 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Roy Miller was that good. What we did by letting him go and adding Malik Jackson was essentially trade off run defense for getting an inside pass rushing presence. Miller was never a consistent pass rusher, but on the flip side, Jackson is no run-stuffer by any means. The team also vastly overrated the run stuffing abilities of Abry Jones. That will have to be adjusted in the off season. One guy I like in the mid to late rounds is DT Bruce Hector of South Florida.

They play two different positions man. Jackson took over Marks spot.

(10-19-2017, 07:24 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2017, 06:23 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Roy Miller was that good. What we did by letting him go and adding Malik Jackson was essentially trade off run defense for getting an inside pass rushing presence. Miller was never a consistent pass rusher, but on the flip side, Jackson is no run-stuffer by any means. The team also vastly overrated the run stuffing abilities of Abry Jones. That will have to be adjusted in the off season. One guy I like in the mid to late rounds is DT Bruce Hector of South Florida.

They play two different positions man. Jackson took over Marks spot.

Marks was better against the run as well and just as good as rushing the passer imo

The run defense goes as Abry goes. We are missing that big body in the middle to take on doubles. Abry has had two bad games lately and it showed. I want to say Ankou took a majority of the snaps 3/4 of the game last week. Keeping the opposing teams OL from getting to the second level is crucial with our LBs. Getting off blocks has been terrible. These LBs thrive in space.

(10-18-2017, 07:26 AM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]The gap issues were only one game.  

The biggest reason we get gashed is because our edge is selling out for pressure.  They are emphasizing getting upfield over holding point, which I'm fine with as long as they keep making plays.  Abry Jones not moving people doesn't help.

There were some gap issues in the third quarter of the Titans game as well, but overall the run defense failure in that game was more about the DL finding themselves worn down by the Titans OL and RB late in the game.

As for the Jets game, the first huge run was more about thinking the play was dead than a gap issue. A couple other big runs were gap issues, but overall I blame the Jets OL whooping our DL inside.  I kept seeing moster holes. If the Jets had a better RB, that game could have become ugly real quick.

(10-19-2017, 10:17 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]The run defense goes as Abry goes. We are missing that big body in the middle to take on doubles. Abry has had two bad games lately and it showed. I want to say Ankou took a majority of the snaps 3/4 of the game last week. Keeping the opposing teams OL from getting to the second level is crucial with our LBs. Getting off blocks has been terrible. These LBs thrive in space.

Abry always looked great coming in to spell starters as a NT, but he's quickly realizing it's not quite so easy as a starter.

(10-19-2017, 07:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2017, 07:24 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]They play two different positions man. Jackson took over Marks spot.

Marks was better against the run as well and just as good as rushing the passer IMO.

When Jackson arrived, Marks was promptly demoted. Caldwell was obviously looking for an upgraded pass rush at that position.

(10-19-2017, 10:32 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]There were some gap issues in the third quarter of the Titans game as well, but overall the run defense failure in that game was more about the DL finding themselves worn down by the Titans OL and RB late in the game.

As for the Jets game, the first huge run was more about thinking the play was dead than a gap issue. A couple other big runs were gap issues, but overall I blame the Jets OL whooping our DL inside.  I kept seeing monster holes. If the Jets had a better RB, that game could have become ugly real quick.

Everyone thought the play was dead except the officials and Bilal Powell. I am 100% positive Powell was touched and the play should have been whistled dead at that spot. But no, it had to stand because Al Riveron could not see it.

However, on the 60-yard TD later in the game, the only people you can blame are the guys wearing wearing black uniforms. Why couldn't we stop the third string RB on a bad team?

(10-19-2017, 10:41 AM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2017, 07:29 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Marks was better against the run as well and just as good as rushing the passer IMO.

When Jackson arrived, Marks was promptly demoted. Caldwell was obviously looking for an upgraded pass rush at that position.

I think Marks in his prime was better than Jackson as a pass rusher too

(10-19-2017, 12:53 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2017, 10:41 AM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: [ -> ]When Jackson arrived, Marks was promptly demoted. Caldwell was obviously looking for an upgraded pass rush at that position.

I think Marks in his prime was better than Jackson as a pass rusher too.

Injury history probably had something to do with it.

(10-19-2017, 12:55 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2017, 12:53 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I think Marks in his prime was better than Jackson as a pass rusher too.

Injury history probably had something to do with it.

Injury history didn't have anything to do with Marks being a better pass rusher

(10-19-2017, 01:06 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2017, 12:55 PM)JaguarsWoman Wrote: [ -> ]Injury history probably had something to do with it.

Injury history didn't have anything to do with Marks being a better pass rusher

I was referring to the decision to CUT Marks.

Our entire team is built to hold the lead.

(10-19-2017, 07:24 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2017, 06:23 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Roy Miller was that good. What we did by letting him go and adding Malik Jackson was essentially trade off run defense for getting an inside pass rushing presence. Miller was never a consistent pass rusher, but on the flip side, Jackson is no run-stuffer by any means. The team also vastly overrated the run stuffing abilities of Abry Jones. That will have to be adjusted in the off season. One guy I like in the mid to late rounds is DT Bruce Hector of South Florida.

They play two different positions man. Jackson took over Marks spot.

I know, but when you pair Jackson with the huge downgrade of Abry Jones from Roy Miller, it basically means we have no run stuffing presence in the middle.

Our short yardage run d is good but on 1st and 10 we just get gashed.

Gap and assignment discipline. Linemen being pushed around and LBs not filling the proper gaps.

(10-19-2017, 05:50 PM)myrick31 Wrote: [ -> ]Our short yardage run d is good but on 1st and 10 we just get gashed.

It's a chess game. Defensive Coordinator gets caught guessing too much.

We got the best CB Duo on the planet so let them do their thing and everybody else focus on the run.

(10-19-2017, 07:27 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2017, 05:50 PM)myrick31 Wrote: [ -> ]Our short yardage run D is good but on 1st and 10 we just get gashed.

It's a chess game. Defensive coordinator gets caught guessing too much.

We got the best CB duo on the planet so let them do their thing and everybody else focus on the run.

Are you serious?

(10-19-2017, 07:27 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-19-2017, 05:50 PM)myrick31 Wrote: [ -> ]Our short yardage run d is good but on 1st and 10 we just get gashed.

It's a chess game. Defensive Coordinator gets caught guessing too much.

We got the best CB Duo on the planet so let them do their thing and everybody else focus on the run.

Some of what you are describing is as simple as teams lining up 3 WR and then running out of that formation against our nickel defense instead of our base D. 

I don't really see so much bad guessing from the coordinator as just the Jags D getting beat by the run in the middle when the offense spreads the field.  

It will be interesting to see how Wash and company attempt to correct the issue moving forward.