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(12-09-2017, 11:16 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Listen. Do you hear it? It’s the sound of a swamp draining. First the MSM, now the politicized bureaucracies.

Are you seriously under the impression Trump is draining the swamp?

(12-09-2017, 11:06 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2017, 11:16 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Listen. Do you hear it? It’s the sound of a swamp draining. First the MSM, now the politicized bureaucracies.

Are you seriously under the impression Trump is draining the swamp?

I do love how pro-corporation and anti-middle class the few accomplishments he's made have been. If he is draining the swamp, it's purely so that Verizon, United Healthcare and Wells Fargo can build a castle in it.

(12-09-2017, 11:06 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2017, 11:16 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Listen. Do you hear it? It’s the sound of a swamp draining. First the MSM, now the politicized bureaucracies.

Are you seriously under the impression Trump is draining the swamp?

More specifically, he's draining the leftist swamp. Or at least facilitating it's exposure. Now we're hearing of at least four investigators for Robert Mueller who competed to hand wash Hillary's underwear. The house of cards has collapsed and now the pile has caught fire.

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(12-10-2017, 12:06 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2017, 11:06 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Are you seriously under the impression Trump is draining the swamp?

I do love how pro-corporation and anti-middle class the few accomplishments he's made have been. If he is draining the swamp, it's purely so that Verizon, United Healthcare and Wells Fargo can build a castle in it.

I think that all conveniently fits on protest sign.

(12-10-2017, 12:42 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2017, 11:06 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Are you seriously under the impression Trump is draining the swamp?

More specifically, he's draining the leftist swamp. Or at least facilitating it's exposure. Now we're hearing of at least four investigators for Robert Mueller who competed to hand wash Hillary's underwear. The house of cards has collapsed and now the pile has caught fire.

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(12-10-2017, 12:06 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]I do love how pro-corporation and anti-middle class the few accomplishments he's made have been. If he is draining the swamp, it's purely so that Verizon, United Healthcare and Wells Fargo can build a castle in it.

I think that all conveniently fits on protest sign.

#occupytheswamp

(12-10-2017, 12:42 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2017, 11:06 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Are you seriously under the impression Trump is draining the swamp?

More specifically, he's draining the leftist swamp. Or at least facilitating it's exposure. Now we're hearing of at least four investigators for Robert Mueller who competed to hand wash Hillary's underwear. The house of cards has collapsed and now the pile has caught fire.

Don't try to get drunk on Hannity Tea, it is low proof, it will take gallons.

As of yet, we don't know if anything ever got to Trump, but all the desperate attempts to discredit Mueller don't change facts. If Trump's campaign did not ultimately collude with Russia, it wasn't for lack of interest.

(12-10-2017, 11:31 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2017, 12:42 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]More specifically, he's draining the leftist swamp. Or at least facilitating it's exposure. Now we're hearing of at least four investigators for Robert Mueller who competed to hand wash Hillary's underwear. The house of cards has collapsed and now the pile has caught fire.

Don't try to get drunk on Hannity Tea, it is low proof, it will take gallons.

As of yet, we don't know if anything ever got to Trump, but all the desperate attempts to discredit Mueller don't change facts. If Trump's campaign did not ultimately collude with Russia, it wasn't for lack of interest.

I guess the left has to glom onto something to justify their intolerant and hate-filled childish temper tantrums for the last year.

(12-10-2017, 11:31 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2017, 12:42 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]More specifically, he's draining the leftist swamp. Or at least facilitating it's exposure. Now we're hearing of at least four investigators for Robert Mueller who competed to hand wash Hillary's underwear. The house of cards has collapsed and now the pile has caught fire.

Don't try to get drunk on Hannity Tea, it is low proof, it will take gallons.

As of yet, we don't know if anything ever got to Trump, but all the desperate attempts to discredit Mueller don't change facts. If Trump's campaign did not ultimately collude with Russia, it wasn't for lack of interest.

We know what they have based on the charges they've taken from the two people they've arrested.

Fraud and obstruction.

They're taking charges for lying about doing something that was legal. If that wasn't such a high-profile case, it wouldn't even have gone to court. That is a dumb case. I've participated in 1,000's of arrest and never has one been about lying about doing something legal. 

This isn't an attempt to discredit Mueller. He's doing it to himself. He appointed a staff full of people that are anti-Trump. That one agent's behavior regarding the dossier and interviewing Hillary is outrageous. He shouldn't ever have been considered for a role in the investigation. There's legitimate concerns over the motive behind their investigation, and that only happened because one of two possible reasons.

1.) The investigators with anti-Trump beliefs or pro-Democrat beliefs didn't disclose them. The only reason they wouldn't is because they had ulterior motives. 

or...

2.) The investigators did disclose them, and Mueller didn't care about them. Then he has ulterior motives.  

8 of the lawyers on his team are Democrat donors, and 5 of them gave to Hillary's campaign. And some of the others have connections to the Clinton foundation. If you don't see a problem with this then you aren't willing.

(12-10-2017, 11:31 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2017, 12:42 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]More specifically, he's draining the leftist swamp. Or at least facilitating it's exposure. Now we're hearing of at least four investigators for Robert Mueller who competed to hand wash Hillary's underwear. The house of cards has collapsed and now the pile has caught fire.

Don't try to get drunk on Hannity Tea, it is low proof, it will take gallons.

As of yet, we don't know if anything ever got to Trump, but all the desperate attempts to discredit Mueller don't change facts. If Trump's campaign did not ultimately collude with Russia, it wasn't for lack of interest.

Collusion!
No collusion? 
Oh... well.. They WANTED collusion?

Do you even see your bias here RJ? Just a little?

Mueller is a partisan piece of crap that should never have been chosen. To even ATTEMPT to say he is in ANY way qualified to investigate anyone with an R next to their name is ludicrous. The man doesn't know the definition of the word "objective"

(12-11-2017, 04:06 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Do you even see your bias here RJ? Just a little?

Mueller is a partisan piece of crap that should never have been chosen. To even ATTEMPT to say he is in ANY way qualified to investigate anyone with an R next to their name is ludicrous. The man doesn't know the definition of the word "objective"

I find it hard to believe that anyone in the government being investigated by a government agency would be given a true fair investigation.
Political and personal motivations aside... we're asking the government to tell us what the government did wrong/illegal.

Essentially we want the powers at be, to tell on themselves, and further drive a large contingent of the population away from being able to trust said government.

D or R doesn't matter. It really doesn't. It's all window dressing.
Aside from losing their political jobs or positions... who can remember a real high up politician/service agent that had to deal with his/her wrongdoings.

Like... when was the last time you can remember a Senator, Congressman, POTUS, FBI director, CIA director or any of that actually have to serve time for illegal goings ons? 
If I commit perjury I go to jail. If one of "them" do it... ahh well, I guess you can't be a Senator anymore, enjoy your money and nice cars and stuff in your Ft. Lauderdale condo....

(Here's an example. Anthony Weiner, convicted of sexual predatory crimes, sentenced to 21 months in prison, which he will serve at The Federal Medical Center, Devens  a United States federal prison in Massachusetts for male inmates requiring specialized or long-term medical or mental health care.)

Mental health care? Dude's a perv, shoulda been locked up with the rest of the animals.

These text messages are disturbing. Time for another special council to investigate Mueller and his democratic goons.

(12-11-2017, 04:06 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Do you even see your bias here RJ? Just a little?

Mueller is a partisan piece of crap that should never have been chosen. To even ATTEMPT to say he is in ANY way qualified to investigate anyone with an R next to their name is ludicrous. The man doesn't know the definition of the word "objective"

Mueller was a Republican appointee.

How do any of you know about his objectivity based on what has been released so far?

(12-10-2017, 06:59 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2017, 11:31 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Don't try to get drunk on Hannity Tea, it is low proof, it will take gallons.

As of yet, we don't know if anything ever got to Trump, but all the desperate attempts to discredit Mueller don't change facts. If Trump's campaign did not ultimately collude with Russia, it wasn't for lack of interest.

We know what they have based on the charges they've taken from the two people they've arrested.

Fraud and obstruction.

They're taking charges for lying about doing something that was legal. If that wasn't such a high-profile case, it wouldn't even have gone to court. That is a dumb case. I've participated in 1,000's of arrest and never has one been about lying about doing something legal. 

This isn't an attempt to discredit Mueller. He's doing it to himself. He appointed a staff full of people that are anti-Trump. That one agent's behavior regarding the dossier and interviewing Hillary is outrageous. He shouldn't ever have been considered for a role in the investigation. There's legitimate concerns over the motive behind their investigation, and that only happened because one of two possible reasons.

1.) The investigators with anti-Trump beliefs or pro-Democrat beliefs didn't disclose them. The only reason they wouldn't is because they had ulterior motives. 

or...

2.) The investigators did disclose them, and Mueller didn't care about them. Then he has ulterior motives.  

8 of the lawyers on his team are Democrat donors, and 5 of them gave to Hillary's campaign. And some of the others have connections to the Clinton foundation. If you don't see a problem with this then you aren't willing.

Why would someone lie about doing something legal? Does that question not even come to your mind?

(12-13-2017, 11:05 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]These text messages are disturbing. Time for another special council to investigate Mueller and his democratic goons.

Two lovers sharing their views about a President? Maybe they discovered something in their investigation that lead them to the conclusions about which they texted.

(12-13-2017, 11:09 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-11-2017, 04:06 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Do you even see your bias here RJ? Just a little?

Mueller is a partisan piece of crap that should never have been chosen. To even ATTEMPT to say he is in ANY way qualified to investigate anyone with an R next to their name is ludicrous. The man doesn't know the definition of the word "objective"

Mueller was a Republican appointee.

How do any of you know about his objectivity based on what has been released so far?

Plenty of RINOs out there. Besides, we don't know his motivation, and if his motivation supersedes his political affiliations.

(12-13-2017, 11:20 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Why would someone lie about doing something legal? Does that question not even come to your mind?

Fear, arrogance, ignorance, you name it.

It doesn't mean he's hiding something. Mueller doesn't have anything on anyone.

(12-13-2017, 11:22 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2017, 11:05 PM)StroudCrowdDr1 Wrote: [ -> ]These text messages are disturbing. Time for another special council to investigate Mueller and his democratic goons.

Two lovers sharing their views about a President? Maybe they discovered something in their investigation that lead them to the conclusions about which they texted.

RJ, even you can see the bias in this guy being an investigator in Clinton email case and Russia probe with his bias and the current state of both of those...this isn't really debatable.

(12-13-2017, 11:20 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2017, 06:59 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]We know what they have based on the charges they've taken from the two people they've arrested.

Fraud and obstruction.

They're taking charges for lying about doing something that was legal. If that wasn't such a high-profile case, it wouldn't even have gone to court. That is a dumb case. I've participated in 1,000's of arrest and never has one been about lying about doing something legal. 

This isn't an attempt to discredit Mueller. He's doing it to himself. He appointed a staff full of people that are anti-Trump. That one agent's behavior regarding the dossier and interviewing Hillary is outrageous. He shouldn't ever have been considered for a role in the investigation. There's legitimate concerns over the motive behind their investigation, and that only happened because one of two possible reasons.

1.) The investigators with anti-Trump beliefs or pro-Democrat beliefs didn't disclose them. The only reason they wouldn't is because they had ulterior motives. 

or...

2.) The investigators did disclose them, and Mueller didn't care about them. Then he has ulterior motives.  

8 of the lawyers on his team are Democrat donors, and 5 of them gave to Hillary's campaign. And some of the others have connections to the Clinton foundation. If you don't see a problem with this then you aren't willing.

Why would someone lie about doing something legal? Does that question not even come to your mind?

Failing to accurately recall a series of legal events is a crime, but it's not the same as lying. Just ask Martha Stewart. Those kind of charges are what come out of a high profile and expensive investigation that can't put together any real evidence to charge the main target. It's face saving for the persecutors.

(12-13-2017, 11:40 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2017, 11:09 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Mueller was a Republican appointee.

How do any of you know about his objectivity based on what has been released so far?

Plenty of RINOs out there. Besides, we don't know his motivation, and if his motivation supersedes his political affiliations.

(12-13-2017, 11:20 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Why would someone lie about doing something legal? Does that question not even come to your mind?

Fear, arrogance, ignorance, you name it.

It doesn't mean he's hiding something. Mueller doesn't have anything on anyone.

Based on what we know, you cannot say this. You're basing your opinion on four indictments. Those four may well be talking, and we have no idea what they are saying.

(12-14-2017, 08:27 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2017, 11:20 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Why would someone lie about doing something legal? Does that question not even come to your mind?

Failing to accurately recall a series of legal events is a crime, but it's not the same as lying. Just ask Martha Stewart. Those kind of charges are what come out of a high profile and expensive investigation that can't put together any real evidence to charge the main target. It's face saving for the persecutors.

Flynn was career military and intelligence professional. People like him do not inaccurately recall details of meetings.

(12-15-2017, 01:31 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-14-2017, 08:27 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Failing to accurately recall a series of legal events is a crime, but it's not the same as lying. Just ask Martha Stewart. Those kind of charges are what come out of a high profile and expensive investigation that can't put together any real evidence to charge the main target. It's face saving for the persecutors.

Flynn was career military and intelligence professional. People like him do not inaccurately recall details of meetings.

Military intelligence? That's a well-established oxymoron.

It doesn't exist, my friend. The guy's an idiot.