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If Kap can take the 9ers all the way.....heck why not Bottles.

Since we are winning, I guess I can stomach him for now.

(10-23-2017, 03:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2017, 02:18 PM)LetsBReal Wrote: [ -> ]I just want Blake to continue hitting receivers when we need it whether he throws 14 or 26 times a game.  The point I was making, was directed at the stat complaints.  He is doing exactly what the coaches want him to do and doing it near perfect.  Whether they are comfortable or not is up to them but he is checking the boxes that he needs too.  If we bring in another Vet or rookie that cant even do that right, then what?  We will move on but at least enjoy the man playing good football while it lasts.  Judge him with the coaches trusting him with a decent team and protection for once not without.  If he's done, so be it, but don't act like he hasn't improved and done what he's been asked.

He's shown some improvement. He hasn't shown it consistently enough though. He's had his share of blunders this season that contributed to losses. And he still has that unnecessary hitch in his motion that telegraphs his passes and leaves the ball exposed for a potential forced fumble.  (like the one yesterday) 

I'm always rooting for him to succeed, but he'll have to produce a few more games like this most recent one before I'll feel remotely comfortable about paying that big money to keep him on next year.

I can agree with the consistency argument definitely.  I just think that with "This Staff" they are not going to let him have the type of gameplan that was ran yesterday with Fournette.  He may be able to, but we will not find out this season unfortunately.  All that does mean though, is the BB5 needs to go crowd, wont have anything to worry about.

(10-23-2017, 03:42 PM)LetsBReal Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2017, 03:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]He's shown some improvement. He hasn't shown it consistently enough though. He's had his share of blunders this season that contributed to losses. And he still has that unnecessary hitch in his motion that telegraphs his passes and leaves the ball exposed for a potential forced fumble.  (like the one yesterday) 

I'm always rooting for him to succeed, but he'll have to produce a few more games like this most recent one before I'll feel remotely comfortable about paying that big money to keep him on next year.

I can agree with the consistency argument definitely.  I just think that with "This Staff" they are not going to let him have the type of gameplan that was ran yesterday with Fournette.  He may be able to, but we will not find out this season unfortunately.  All that does mean though, is the BB5 needs to go crowd, wont have anything to worry about.

They'll let him air it out a bit versus the niners, cardinals, tacks and colts. Maybe a bit vs the browns as well. 

They'll try to protect the ball against the bengals, hawks, bolts and tinhorns.

(10-23-2017, 04:08 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2017, 03:42 PM)LetsBReal Wrote: [ -> ]I can agree with the consistency argument definitely.  I just think that with "This Staff" they are not going to let him have the type of gameplan that was ran yesterday with Fournette.  He may be able to, but we will not find out this season unfortunately.  All that does mean though, is the BB5 needs to go crowd, wont have anything to worry about.

They'll let him air it out a bit versus the niners, cardinals, tacks and colts. Maybe a bit vs the browns as well. 

They'll try to protect the ball against the bengals, hawks, bolts and tinhorns.

Gotta air it out against the Browns. They are actually pretty amazing against the run.

Bortles is the best, the posters on here are stupid.

Man I hope he throws 5 tds on the Chargers and we send Gus packing with another blowout.

I wouldn't air it out against Patrick Peterson or The Honey Badger.

(10-23-2017, 08:29 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't air it out against Patrick Peterson or The Honey Badger.

Their combined 1 INT between the two is terrifying.

(10-23-2017, 08:29 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't air it out against Patrick Peterson or The Honey Badger.

The non-Patrick Peterson CBs have been getting worked by WRs.  We absolutely should air it out, just not to PP.

(10-23-2017, 09:35 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles is quietly on his way to his best statistical start of a season. 

58.6%
1398 yards
9 TDs
5 INTs
85.4 rating

Extrapolated to 16 games is:

3200 yards
22 TDs
11 INTs

I think a lot of us would have taken those numbers all day long from Blake. His biggest issue is consistency. He'll have great games (Bal, Indy) and then terrible games (Tennessee)

That being said, he's had multiple good passes dropped, but he's not making those stupid INTs that have plagued him on years past. Missing ARob is a big blow, but hopefully Westbrook can ease that a bit. 

What we need to see from Blake is consistency. Now obviously we shouldn't expect an Indy like performance every week, but we shouldn't get a 2nd half Tennessee Bortles either. 

It will be interesting to see how the season progresses, especially since we are built well for colder weather with the run game and strong defense. Not that Jax gets cold, but still. 

Honestly, if he stays at the pace he's on right now, I could see us bringing him back in some capacity. We of course will draft a QB, but if Bortles finishes the year 2-1 on TD/INT and doesn't single handedly lose some games, be prepared for him to be back. 

It's amazing what a proper coaching staff can do.

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I meant to add, by QB Rating, he's ahead of:

Mariota
Cam
Ben
Dalton

Bortles isn't as bad as most people think.  Is he "good"?  That's pretty subjective.

Looking at the stat sheet doesn't tell the whole story.  How many in-completions are from drops by receivers?  How many INT's are from balls batted into the air by receivers that fail to make a catch (I can think of two that immediately come to mind)?

The bottom line is he's not really playing bad and his stats aren't really about him.  By the same token, he is what he is.  He's no Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, he is more like the quarterback that he was often compared to (Ben Roethlisberger).  As he matures he's making better decisions.

Barring a major meltdown I suspect that he will probably be back next season, and that's not a bad thing.  Draft a QB and develop him and let Bortles manage the game.

When we run a game plan and come out and execute like we did against the Texans, Ravens and Colts he looks great. But looking good half the season and not winning isn't good enough to stick around long term in this business. I like the way Cousins plays. Maybe we can get him. If Bortles ends up looking half decent maybe we can trade him. He can take his windmill passing elsewhere. Unless we win a playoff game I'm not buying the Bortles we see once every 3-4 games.

(10-23-2017, 01:29 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2017, 01:19 PM)LetsBReal Wrote: [ -> ]Its funny reading comments about inconsistency when just......what...2 to 3 weeks ago, everyone was saying the staff doesn't trust Blake so that's why we wont throw.  Now, present day and time, his stats are just average and he needs to do more or the same consistently.  DO ANY OF YOU EVEN FOOTBALL.  We only threw because the staff doesn't trust ivory/grant/Yeldon to carry the team so they opened the playbook back up and forced BB5 to pass and play winning football in which he did.  Just eat the crow you served yourselves and be happy after the bye when we put BB5 back in the cellar and lock the door.

I think you are overthinking this dynamic.

They opened up the passing game against Indy because Indy has the 31st ranked pass defense in the league. They let him sling it 26 times and they ran it 37 times. 

Conversely - the steelers are the number one ranked pass defense.  Blake's total of 14 attempts in that game two weeks ago should make it very obvious in which situations this staff has confidence in him.

It has nothing to do with confidence in Ivory or the other backs behind Fournette.

I think you might be overthinking the dynamic here though man.

They kept running the ball against the Steelers because they (the Steelers) simply could not stop the run in the 2nd half. Flat out, they couldn't do anything against the run and that's why they ran in 18 straight times or whatever it was. You don't try and fix what isn't broken and the running game was not broken that game.

(10-24-2017, 02:19 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2017, 01:29 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think you are overthinking this dynamic.

They opened up the passing game against Indy because Indy has the 31st ranked pass defense in the league. They let him sling it 26 times and they ran it 37 times. 

Conversely - the steelers are the number one ranked pass defense.  Blake's total of 14 attempts in that game two weeks ago should make it very obvious in which situations this staff has confidence in him.

It has nothing to do with confidence in Ivory or the other backs behind Fournette.

I think you might be overthinking the dynamic here though man.

They kept running the ball against the Steelers because they (the Steelers) simply could not stop the run in the 2nd half. Flat out, they couldn't do anything against the run and that's why they ran in 18 straight times or whatever it was. You don't try and fix what isn't broken and the running game was not broken that game.

So you don't think they'll enter a game against the 31st ranked pass defense with a game plan that let's Bortles attempt more than 14 passes?   And conversely enter a game vs the the #1 ranked pass defense with a game plan to run the ball more?  

'Cause that's what I'm saying. 

They'd be fools not to game plan that way.

Bortles has always been good.

His first 4 years he had the league's worst head coach, worst running game, and top 5 worst OL

This season he has top 5 coaches (Coughlin/Marrone), top 5 running game, middle of pack OL

Only thing missing is WRs aren't good at all. A Rob and Dede would really help the group. Lee has bad hands. Hurns is average at best and not worth 40 mil although the coaching staff did great putting him in the slot more.

Bortles will be starting in 2018. He still needs more weapons at WR.

(10-24-2017, 11:38 AM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles has always been good.

His first 4 years he had the league's worst head coach, worst running game, and top 5 worst OL

This season he has top 5 coaches (Coughlin/Marrone), top 5 running game, middle of pack OL

Only thing missing is WRs aren't good at all. A Rob and Dede would really help the group. Lee has bad hands. Hurns is average at best and not worth 40 mil although the coaching staff did great putting him in the slot more.

Bortles will be starting in 2018. He still needs more weapons at WR.

SMH....

you win dude...

Bortles for HOF

(10-23-2017, 03:25 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]If Kap can take the 9ers all the way.....heck why not Bottles.

Since we are winning, I guess I can stomach him for now.

We could only wish Bortles would have Kaps stats during his super bowl year

91.6 QBR with 21 TDs and 8 Ints
524 rushing yards with another 4 TDs

Conversely, a better player to reference may be Trent Dilfer who had 12 TDs and 11 Ints with a 76.6 QBR in his 8 starts on his way to win the Super Bowl with the Ravens  --- nothing is impossible with a great defense.  Heck, Dilfer won the super bowl and the Ravens didn't even pursue resigning him.

(10-24-2017, 12:32 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-23-2017, 03:25 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]If Kap can take the 9ers all the way.....heck why not Bottles.

Since we are winning, I guess I can stomach him for now.

We could only wish Bortles would have Kaps stats during his super bowl year

91.6 QBR with 21 TDs and 8 Ints
524 rushing yards with another 4 TDs

Conversely, a better player to reference may be Trent Dilfer who had 12 TDs and 11 Ints with a 76.6 QBR in his 8 starts on his way to win the Super Bowl with the Ravens  --- nothing is impossible with a great defense.  Heck, Dilfer won the super bowl and the Ravens didn't even pursue resigning him.

If Bortles can manage a 90 QBR or above 60 completion percentage we will be Super Bowl bound.

Blake needs to throw more on 1st downs or 2nd and short. Play action. All of the defenses are sucked forward to stop Fournette. They are terrified of him. Take advantage of that. IMHO that makes things a whole lot easier for Blake than having to pass on third and long with the defense coming with their ears pinned back. Can't be predictable in this league. The talent is too good. This is not college.

(10-24-2017, 11:38 AM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles has always been good.

His first 4 years he had the league's worst head coach, worst running game, and top 5 worst OL

This season he has top 5 coaches (Coughlin/Marrone), top 5 running game, middle of pack OL

Only thing missing is WRs aren't good at all. A Rob and Dede would really help the group. Lee has bad hands. Hurns is average at best and not worth 40 mil although the coaching staff did great putting him in the slot more.

Bortles will be starting in 2018. He still needs more weapons at WR.

Wasn't you the one saying Tyrod Taylor is worse than Bortles?

Just read where Tyrod Taylor is 7th in QB Index....and he is throwing to guys like Nick Oleary, and Robert Woods.

(10-26-2017, 02:06 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-24-2017, 11:38 AM)spacecoastjag Wrote: [ -> ]Bortles has always been good.

His first 4 years he had the league's worst head coach, worst running game, and top 5 worst OL

This season he has top 5 coaches (Coughlin/Marrone), top 5 running game, middle of pack OL

Only thing missing is WRs aren't good at all. A Rob and Dede would really help the group. Lee has bad hands. Hurns is average at best and not worth 40 mil although the coaching staff did great putting him in the slot more.

Bortles will be starting in 2018. He still needs more weapons at WR.

Wasn't you the one saying Tyrod Taylor is worse than Bortles?

Just read where Tyrod Taylor is 7th in QB Index....and he is throwing to guys like Nick Oleary, and Robert Woods.

I can always rely on you for a chuckle. Also, Nick O'Leary is BAKE