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Quote:We need to split the field in half for Bortles, give him the great wall of Dallas, an exact Barry Sanders clone, Jerry Rice and Julio Jones in their prime, and we MIGHT have a chance at winning 6 games.

You forgot Gronk.

Quote:Because he's pressing. He's forcing passes into coverage. He's throwing passes behind or over his open receivers. And he's almost trying to take off with the football too soon when he's inside the pocket and should reasonably be able to climb it and make a throw or get rid of it instead of eating a loss.

He did the same thing last year.

I still say his arm his a wall in this last game, and that's why he looked like a Pop Warner qb. Get his arm back under control, and Blake should rank right about #24 or #25 around Pennington and Eli Manning. He's always been imho at least a hair better than Eli without this recent arm issue.


 

It'll be interesting to see if his mechanics work this week has allowed him to be more himself.

I think Blake needs the rest of the year off, maybe let him play the KC game and if he is still awful then let Henne stink it up for a couple weeks. I would love to see Allen get the last 4 games of the season regardless. Let the young man get his feet wet in a zero pressure situation for us, and see if he has "the goods" or shows serious potential in a live NFL game. Let Blake shut it down, for the sake of saving our potential franchise QB. 

It's time to find a new QB and quit with this "he can be fixed" crap. This is the Jaguars were talking about. There's no fixing Bortles now. He's been ruined, he's been hit too much, and his career here is all but done now. The sooner we realize it the better.

Quote:It's time to find a new QB and quit with this "he can be fixed" crap. This is the Jaguars were talking about. There's no fixing Bortles now. He's been ruined, he's been hit too much, and his career here is all but done now. The sooner we realize it the better.

I agree we need to realize and move on. But it was over before it started. He never had the skill set to begin with, a risky "project" that hasn't worked.

Quote:Jim Kelly and Brett Favre are elite throwers in the pocket. Never compare 2016 Blake to those two HoF qbs.

And never compare the Jags disorganization from management down to the coaches to the Bills of that era or the Packers.

It's no coincidence that everyone that comes here from coaches (Gus, Fisch,Olson,Babich,Wash) to free agents (Odrick, Skuta, Jackson, Gipson) to draft picks (Joekel, Blake, Yeldon, Fowler, Cyprien) stink. 

Quote:It's time to find a new QB and quit with this "he can be fixed" crap. This is the Jaguars were talking about. There's no fixing Bortles now. He's been ruined, he's been hit too much, and his career here is all but done now. The sooner we realize it the better.

I'm starting to believe this too.

I still think he might be salvageable. Unless we're ready to move onto Allen, which could get interesting given the results of his fellow rookie qbs, the team has the remainder of this season to at least try and fix him. Now if we're going to win, it had better be soon, but at the very least they need to know he's their answer moving forward by season's end. I'm not giving up on Blake just yet.

Man... some of you should just jump already lol

If this were any other division (you know, where there is at least 1 good, winning team in it), then I would agree it's time to recalibrate and fix things looking forward to future seasons.


However, this is the AFCS (a TERRIBLE division, where it is very doubtful that 1 team keeps it together and runs away with it).


This division is far from over, even for the Jaguars (as silly as that may seem). It sounds ridiculous, but it's not.


It's not time to throw in the towel and give up, not yet.

Quote:If this were any other division (you know, where there is at least 1 good, winning team in it), then I would agree it's time to recalibrate and fix things looking forward to future seasons.


However, this is the AFCS (a TERRIBLE division, where it is very doubtful that 1 team keeps it together and runs away with it).


This division is far from over, even for the Jaguars (as silly as that may seem). It sounds ridiculous, but it's not.


It's not time to throw in the towel and give up, not yet.

You'll have to forgive me if the chance at making it to the postseason so we can get completely blown out at home on national television while garnering a bottom 10 draft pick in the process doesn't peak my enthusiasm.

Quote:You'll have to forgive me if the chance at making it to the postseason so we can get completely blown out at home on national television while garnering a bottom 10 draft pick in the process doesn't peak my enthusiasm.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not enthusiastic.


It's just that this division is bad,, REALLY bad. The Jags may stumble and goof their way into contention for this thing (NOT that I'm expecting it; just that it's possible).

Quote:I still say his arm his a wall in this last game, and that's why he looked like a Pop Warner qb. Get his arm back under control, and Blake should rank right about #24 or #25 around Pennington and Eli Manning. He's always been imho at least a hair better than Eli without this recent arm issue.


 

It'll be interesting to see if his mechanics work this week has allowed him to be more himself.

 

Blake has a pretty darn good arm if his mechanics are good. Much better than Eli. That's not the case right now though.

Quote:And never compare the Jags disorganization from management down to the coaches to the Bills of that era or the Packers.

 

You can put Blake on that Packers team and he still wouldn't be making the plays Brett made.Favre's arm is elite. Regardless of the faults of this organization, Blake has his own mechanical (and mental) mistakes he needs to overcome to become a franchise QB. Baby-ing him around by doing only what he's good at instead of working on his weakness will do him no good. Just as how this offense relied far too much on the big downfield play last season (which opposing coaches studied and took away this season), defenses will start keying on Blake's bootleg/rollouts. And then what?

 

He's going to have to learn how to make plays in the pocket consistently. If he can't do that, then we need to find someone who can.

Quote:Don't get me wrong, I'm not enthusiastic.


It's just that this division is bad,, REALLY bad. The Jags may stumble and goof their way into contention for this thing (NOT that I'm expecting it; just that it's possible).

Would that be the best thing for the future of our franchise though? It's like when Garrard converted that 4th and 2 against the steelers. If he doesn't pick that up we may not have won, but we may not have given both an average coach and average QB more time than they really deserved. I don't want us to luck into being good, I'd like us to work for it. So far I've learned it's way easier said than done, and both coaches and players are a dime a dozen. Bortles and Bradley are both part of the problem, not one or the other, and both gotta go. Walking backwards into a division title isn't gonna speed that process up.

Quote:Would that be the best thing for the future of our franchise though? It's like when Garrard converted that 4th and 2 against the steelers. If he doesn't pick that up we may not have won, but we may not have given both an average coach and average QB more time than they really deserved. I don't want us to luck into being good, I'd like us to work for it. So far I've learned it's way easier said than done, and both coaches and players are a dime a dozen. Bortles and Bradley are both part of the problem, not one or the other, and both gotta go. Walking backwards into a division title isn't gonna speed that process up.

 

You would hope that Dave is smart enough to realize and evaluate truthfully, regardless of if we win our division (I feel Jim Mora channeling his thoughts through me...playoffs?!? We're 2-5 and just got embarrassed on national tv and you want to talk about playoffs?) or not.

Quote:You would hope that Dave is smart enough to realize and evaluate truthfully, regardless of if we win our division (I feel Jim Mora channeling his thoughts through me...playoffs?!? We're 2-5 and just got embarrassed on national tv and you want to talk about playoffs?) or not.

Dave's been smart enough to advocate hiring one of the NFLs all time losing coaches, blowing huge money and draft resources on a terrible offensive line, and to be honest when it's all said and done I think he will have blown 3 out of 4 top 5 draft picks.


I have no doubt in my mind Dave would be smart enough to keep Gus again if we backed our way into a playoff game.

I just don't think you give up on your #3 overall selection when last year most people were hanging on his jock and this season he's having a bad year (accompanied with what many would agree is a bad/awful/terrible/lame duck coach staff)

 

Bortles may never live up to his draft status but I don't think you pull the plug, just yet.

 

But there certainly needs to be some backup plans made (Allen I think was one of them I think Caldwell will bring in a veteran, probably not someone who expects to start, a la Romo, but someone like Hoyer who has been a steady backup with mild success)

Bortles plays without his 5th year option in essentially a make or break year. He does well with new staff, we're good, he doesn't he's canned after 2017 and Caldwell gets another shot at it, likely picking top ten one last time.)

Looking ahead it depends on how many guys come out early this year....

But we could be looking at guys like JT Barrett, Kaaya, or ironically Austin Allen (our 3rd QBs brother)