(12-03-2017, 09:01 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2017, 10:35 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]So, lack of "mental ability" to perform a highly sought after skill automatically translates to a demand for $15 an hour for a skill a kiosk or robot can perform?
It is a lot easier to complain on a forum or Twitter about wage injustice than it is to go back to school.
With all due respect, sounds like just another excuse for someone to be lazy.
If you re-read my post carefully, you will realize I neither stated, or even suggested, that the inability to perform a task requiring a higher mental capacity translated into any wage entitlement whatsoever. I am merely suggesting that, for a significant percentage of the workforce, anything more than very modest advancement is simply not possible due to lack of mental ability.
I'll ask you again, what percentage of the US working-force do you believe possesses the mental capacity to perform in a higher paying industry such as IT?
I have no idea. IT was just an example. What do you call a "significant percentage"? There are plenty of trades like plumbing, electricians, HVAC, sanitation, welding that the majority of people have the mental capacity to learn.
(12-03-2017, 08:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2017, 06:10 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I am not unsympathetic to situations like the Disney situation. All I am saying is there are plenty of ways to improve yourself and be employable.
One of the easiest is to punish those corporations who manipulate and abuse the American market and workforce
I agree 100%. Trump was trying to toughen up visa renewals last time I checked, but not sure what became of that.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/25/technolo...index.html
(12-03-2017, 09:38 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2017, 09:01 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]If you re-read my post carefully, you will realize I neither stated, or even suggested, that the inability to perform a task requiring a higher mental capacity translated into any wage entitlement whatsoever. I am merely suggesting that, for a significant percentage of the workforce, anything more than very modest advancement is simply not possible due to lack of mental ability.
I'll ask you again, what percentage of the US working-force do you believe possesses the mental capacity to perform in a higher paying industry such as IT?
I have no idea. IT was just an example. What do you call a "significant percentage"? There are plenty of trades like plumbing, electricians, HVAC, sanitation, welding that the majority of people have the mental capacity to learn.
(12-03-2017, 08:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]One of the easiest is to punish those corporations who manipulate and abuse the American market and workforce
I agree 100%. Trump was trying to toughen up visa renewals last time I checked, but not sure what became of that.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/25/technolo...index.html
Those trades will mostly be gone in 20 years, automation is much further along than we give it credit for. Robots are making and repairing robots now, it won't be much longer before they move to creation rather than just repetition.
(12-04-2017, 03:21 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2017, 09:38 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I have no idea. IT was just an example. What do you call a "significant percentage"? There are plenty of trades like plumbing, electricians, HVAC, sanitation, welding that the majority of people have the mental capacity to learn.
I agree 100%. Trump was trying to toughen up visa renewals last time I checked, but not sure what became of that.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/25/technolo...index.html
Those trades will mostly be gone in 20 years, automation is much further along than we give it credit for. Robots are making and repairing robots now, it won't be much longer before they move to creation rather than just repetition.
Skynet!! I think it is important to have a plan for workers displaced by robots. Not so much the teenager replaced by a kiosk at McDonald's, but the 50 year old making widgets at a factory. Automation sparks so many conversations including robot tax, and how the federal government will intervene in AI progress to ensure they get their cut. It will be interesting to see where it goes
(12-04-2017, 07:06 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2017, 03:21 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Those trades will mostly be gone in 20 years, automation is much further along than we give it credit for. Robots are making and repairing robots now, it won't be much longer before they move to creation rather than just repetition.
Skynet!! I think it is important to have a plan for workers displaced by robots. Not so much the teenager replaced by a kiosk at McDonald's, but the 50 year old making widgets at a factory. Automation sparks so many conversations including robot tax, and how the federal government will intervene in AI progress to ensure they get their cut. It will be interesting to see where it goes
Exactly the point above, an increasingly large percentage of our population will be unemployable in the near future. How do we accommodate those who would work but are not capable? We cannot let people just starve either.
(12-04-2017, 02:00 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2017, 07:06 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Skynet!! I think it is important to have a plan for workers displaced by robots. Not so much the teenager replaced by a kiosk at McDonald's, but the 50 year old making widgets at a factory. Automation sparks so many conversations including robot tax, and how the federal government will intervene in AI progress to ensure they get their cut. It will be interesting to see where it goes
Exactly the point above, an increasingly large percentage of our population will be unemployable in the near future. How do we accommodate those who would work but are not capable? We cannot let people just starve either.
Darwinism.
They are not our responsibility.
Notice to dumb people - stop breeding.
(12-04-2017, 02:00 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2017, 07:06 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Skynet!! I think it is important to have a plan for workers displaced by robots. Not so much the teenager replaced by a kiosk at McDonald's, but the 50 year old making widgets at a factory. Automation sparks so many conversations including robot tax, and how the federal government will intervene in AI progress to ensure they get their cut. It will be interesting to see where it goes
Exactly the point above, an increasingly large percentage of our population will be unemployable in the near future. How do we accommodate those who would work but are not capable? We cannot let people just starve either.
I don't have the answer, and have this conversation a lot with a buddy of mine. You can go one way with the government providing everybody with a "living wage", but we all know that will be abused worse than welfare and food stamps. On the other hand, the displaced workers need somewhere to go, otherwise they will do whatever is necessary to protect and feed their families, which likely includes harming other people.
It is an issue that each administration will probably be kicking down the road until it really comes to a head.
(12-04-2017, 04:06 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2017, 02:43 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have the answer, and have this conversation a lot with a buddy of mine. You can go one way with the government providing everybody with a "living wage", but we all know that will be abused worse than welfare and food stamps. On the other hand, the displaced workers need somewhere to go, otherwise they will do whatever is necessary to protect and feed their families, which likely includes harming other people.
It is an issue that each administration will probably be kicking down the road until it really comes to a head.
If every adult citizen gets (say) $20,000 to do with as they please, and are free to supplement that with actual income, it should be abuse free. It would be abused only if the government micromanages it, which it probably will by setting income levels above which one does not get the "living wage."
Of course there will be those who spend the $20,000 a year on drugs and alcohol, but that's their choice. I wouldn't call that abusing the system.
To your first point, setting a threshold will only make people MORE lazy. It would have to be truly universal.
To your last point, it is interesting because Mark Zuckerberg openly supports universal income, as I am sure guys like Tim Cook & Jeff Bezos do also. These guys understand people would use that "living wage" to buy iPhones and shop on Amazon & Facebook with them.
If anyone wonders why I smoke weed...
(12-03-2017, 11:58 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2017, 10:07 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]That this is what you hear shows more about who you're listening to tell you what the "left" is saying than what is actually said.
RJ, can you tell us who is your trusted source in mainstream reporting so we can also be enlightened? The CIA claims we can't trust any of them:
“The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media.”
– William Colby, former CIA director
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”
– William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting, 1981)
Suddenly you trust the CIA?
Did you even read what he posted?
Show me a single source from mainstream media reporting or opining that guns cause crime or all men are raging rapists. Hyperbole like this isn't any more factual than the excesses many of you decry.
(12-03-2017, 02:04 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-02-2017, 10:07 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]That this is what you hear shows more about who you're listening to tell you what the "left" is saying than what is actually said.
It's funny how you guys never want to admit your deepest yearnings. If your positions are so wonderful why do you pretend you don't really believe them? Just because they're massively unpopular among rational people and admitting them would be the death of the left is no reason not to put on your [BLEEP] hat and own it!
You're making no progress towards proving your point with horse [BLEEP] like this.
(12-04-2017, 11:06 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (12-03-2017, 11:58 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]RJ, can you tell us who is your trusted source in mainstream reporting so we can also be enlightened? The CIA claims we can't trust any of them:
“The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media.”
– William Colby, former CIA director
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”
– William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting, 1981)
Suddenly you trust the CIA?
Did you even read what he posted?
Show me a single source from mainstream media reporting or opining that guns cause crime or all men are raging rapists. Hyperbole like this isn't any more factual than the excesses many of you decry.
I trust the CIA implicitly when they say they are liars and disinformation agents. Not otherwise, for those same reasons.
Check the cringe-worthy SNL video called "Welcome To Hell", which does suggest all men are raging rapists. Or the many times Rahm said Chicago's high murder rate is due to the presence of guns from Indiana, as if the guns pulled their own trigger.
(12-04-2017, 07:06 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Skynet!! I think it is important to have a plan for workers displaced by robots. Not so much the teenager replaced by a kiosk at McDonald's, but the 50 year old making widgets at a factory. Automation sparks so many conversations including robot tax, and how the federal government will intervene in AI progress to ensure they get their cut. It will be interesting to see where it goes
Robots in the future? What about a plan for workers already displaced by overseas labor through the last 30 years?
(12-06-2017, 10:41 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2017, 07:06 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Skynet!! I think it is important to have a plan for workers displaced by robots. Not so much the teenager replaced by a kiosk at McDonald's, but the 50 year old making widgets at a factory. Automation sparks so many conversations including robot tax, and how the federal government will intervene in AI progress to ensure they get their cut. It will be interesting to see where it goes
Robots in the future? What about a plan for workers already displaced by overseas labor through the last 30 years?
What is your proposed resolution?
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