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It reminds of the falcons in the super bowl. All they had to was run the ball and bleed the clock but they got cute and kept passing

It was a terrible decision, but enough with these kneejerk reactions. Bortles was caught up by trying to do too much in a bad situation. With the team's only offensive TD's, both by rushing, and the pocket collapsing on him every other play, with less than 2 seconds of coverage on average before he had to scramble all game, versus the Cards O-line affording Gabbert 3-4 seconds... 1-2 seconds doesn't read like much of a disparity on paper, even less on an internet message board, but it means the world for an offense's opportunities. One millisecond late, and instead of Gabbert stabbing the heart of the Jags for a 50+ yard TD strike, and he's sacked by Campbell OR stripped and ball turned over. That's just a millisecond's value on that play. But he had at least 1-2 full seconds of extra time more than Bortles had this game.

When your O-line is missing a starter, it can hurt. When you're out 2 starters on the O-line, and you're giving up more sacks than almost any other game of the season, with apparently the least protection afforded the QB all year, your entire offense will suffer.

You don't go from having the most rushing yards per game to having your lead rusher produce 20 yards in a game "because of the quarterback." It all starts with the O-line, and an almost half-depleted O-line results in major negative impact.

AND with having your two best receivers with the most experience with your QB BOTH OUT... honestly what do you expect?

Take away any other QB's 2 starting line men, and his 2 best receivers, see what happens. Maybe it won't hurt Brady or Brees, but who are we kidding - of course it will. Every QB will be hurt to varying degrees.

Bortles made an awful decision, and then Marrone actually bailed him out by making a worse one. Bortles's blunder was not fatal. It just negated our D's hard fought take away.

I'm not calling for Bortles's or Marrone's head. Rome wasn't built in a day. The new era of Marrone/Coughlin's Jags won't be built in 1 season, and certainly not determined by 1 game given away by 1 awful play call, or one awful turnover.

I've been a Jags fan since 95. I remember when the big deal was Brunell taking Beuerlein's job. Now we have a 3rd QB whose last name starts with B.

So far this year Bortle's performance is less Brunellian and more Beuerlesque -

- only he doesn't have the likes of dynamic duo Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell active for him. His top 2 options Robinson and Hurns are both out. And with an O-line also struggling with 2 starters out, able to produce virtually nothing for the team's leading rusher, this is what happens. But speaking of 2, he still managed to break free for 2 TDs.

Only a fool would expect flawless performance with all these circumstantial odds against, including playing out west where Jags go to die.

It's Win some, Lose some in the NFL. At least we've found a way to win more and lose less with our starters. I'm not a diehard Bortles apologist. He has to earn it this season. So far he's helped more than hurt, and mostly without his best receiver. He's still not consistent enough, but definitely improved and showing a better command and grasp of the flow.

Why people keep forgetting that with both of his top receiving weapons available, just 2 years ago this son of a gun threw for 4,400 yards and 35 touchdowns against half as many pick's is beyond me - one of the top performances by a sophomore OF ALL TIME. We know he has it in him. We just have to find a way to facilitate this. They forgot how last year and insisted on micromanaging his mechanics to disastrous results, just making things far worse.

This is nothing to overreact about. They want to bring this team back to ground and pound scheme, but that's just not going to work with 40% of the O-line starters out evidently.

The story of the Jags for the last 10 years has been 2 steps forward and 3 steps back, such a sad theme for so long that the schematic shift with Marrone and Coughlin was long overdue.

If Bortles doesn't make that one stupid blunder, he's pretty much the hero of the day for stepping up and taking it to the house twice. Even the best screw up especially with that kind of pressure. Bortles tried to do too much and Marrone got too fancy. We beat ourselves but we will march on.

There really is no overreaction. Marrone has been making terrible calls on gameday all season, but now that they lost everyone is going to scrutinize him. I have been noticing and commenting on his boneheaded calls even through wins. He acts like a rookie head coach, which I mean is understandable but c'mon Marrone get your crap together. Calling a freaking time out on a extra point was another example of his bone headedness. He was probably thinking about getting a bologna sandwich after the game or whatever.

It was the worst play call that I have seen this year.

(11-26-2017, 11:52 PM)JagWar84 Wrote: [ -> ]It was a terrible decision, but enough with these kneejerk reactions. Bortles was caught up by trying to do too much in a bad situation. With the team's only offensive TD's, both by rushing, and the pocket collapsing on him every other play, with less than 2 seconds of coverage on average before he had to scramble all game, versus the Cards O-line affording Gabbert 3-4 seconds... 1-2 seconds doesn't read like much of a disparity on paper, even less on an internet message board, but it means the world for an offense's opportunities. One millisecond late, and instead of Gabbert stabbing the heart of the Jags for a 50+ yard TD strike, and he's sacked by Campbell OR stripped and ball turned over. That's just a millisecond's value on that play. But he had at least 1-2 full seconds of extra time more than Bortles had this game.

When your O-line is missing a starter, it can hurt. When you're out 2 starters on the O-line, and you're giving up more sacks than almost any other game of the season, with apparently the least protection afforded the QB all year, your entire offense will suffer.

You don't go from having the most rushing yards per game to having your lead rusher produce 20 yards in a game "because of the quarterback." It all starts with the O-line, and an almost half-depleted O-line results in major negative impact.

AND with having your two best receivers with the most experience with your QB BOTH OUT... honestly what do you expect?

Take away any other QB's 2 starting line men, and his 2 best receivers, see what happens. Maybe it won't hurt Brady or Brees, but who are we kidding - of course it will. 

Some good points here.  ^


I think the O-Line injuries were the most detrimental element to the Jags today and the resulting poor play and limited run game contributed greatly to the loss.  It fell to Bortles to make up for that deficiency while missing two starting receivers -  and ultimately it was just too much to overcome against a well coached team.

Marrone been making terrible calls on gameday all season? PLEASE. This is overreaction by definition. Stop. Just staaahp.

PLEASE compare the Jags record in the 13 games prior to Marrone taking over to the 13 games since. =)

It is night and day. As I said, the previous 10 years the story of the Jags has been 2 steps forward and 3 steps back (hell, more like 1 step forward and 4 steps back).
In the Marrone era it has been 3 steps foward and just 2 back. It could not be more apparent that this is the right direction.

Mike McCarthy did nearly the exact same thing and lost in exactly the same fashion on SNF.

(11-27-2017, 12:07 AM)JagWar84 Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone been making terrible calls on gameday all season? PLEASE. This is overreaction by definition. Stop. Just staaahp.

PLEASE compare the Jags record in the 13 games prior to Marrone taking over to the 13 games since. =)

It is night and day. As I said, the previous 10 years the story of the Jags has been 2 steps forward and 3 steps back (hell, more like 1 step forward and 4 steps back).
In the Marrone era it has been 3 steps foward and just 2 back. It could not be more apparent that this is the right direction.

Not to be a debbie downer but this same situation was going on in Nashville last year. The team went from 3-13 to 9-7 tied for the first in the division and one game off from the playoffs and fans were raving on about how good our coaches are and how they turned the team around so quickly; but did not realize the talent that the GM has brought/ drafted here. Sure marrone has done a better job than Gus bradley but you simply cant just put it on him for the success without including caldwell & coughlin. Marrone will be decent enough to be a mediocre coach (thanks to the talent) but i dont see him being a elite coach that could lead this team deep in the playoffs

It's classic case of overthinking it. The best example of the worst case of this in recent memory would be the Seahawks Super Bowl debacle. I understand the inclination toward going against the grain. When others zig, you zag. They got caught up approaching it like it's 4D chess. Nah, you just had to play regular 2D chess.

(11-27-2017, 01:15 AM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2017, 12:07 AM)JagWar84 Wrote: [ -> ]Marrone been making terrible calls on gameday all season? PLEASE. This is overreaction by definition. Stop. Just staaahp.

PLEASE compare the Jags record in the 13 games prior to Marrone taking over to the 13 games since. =)

It is night and day. As I said, the previous 10 years the story of the Jags has been 2 steps forward and 3 steps back (hell, more like 1 step forward and 4 steps back).
In the Marrone era it has been 3 steps foward and just 2 back. It could not be more apparent that this is the right direction.

Not to be a debbie downer but this same situation was going on in Nashville last year. The team went from 3-13 to 9-7 tied for the first in the division and one game off from the playoffs and fans were raving on about how good our coaches are and how they turned the team around so quickly; but did not realize the talent that the GM has brought/ drafted here. Sure marrone has done a better job than Gus bradley but you simply cant just put it on him for the success without including caldwell & coughlin. Marrone will be decent enough to be a mediocre coach (thanks to the talent) but i dont see him being a elite coach that could lead this team deep in the playoffs

None of the coaches (or QBs) in our division are elite, which is why it's so entertaining.

You and Spacecoastjag are entertaining as well, because you are basically the same person with different man-crushes.

However, I have to be honest and admit that I was not very entertained today.  I was with my family for a late breakfast @ The Peanut Farm watching the Colts-Titans game.  I shook my head when the Brissett-to-Gore pitch was mishandled and recovered by TEN near the Colts goal line late in the 3rd.  I said to myself "This is how Bradley's Jags would have have lost a winnable game."

Later, I was following our game with the Cards and it was like deja vu.  A Gabbert interception late appears to put us in the win column, then Blake returns the favor.  Then, it looks like we will escape to overtime and for some strange reason that I will never explain, we attempt a short pass:  1) deep in our own territory, and 2) with not enough time on the clock to make it into field goal range anyway.  So, we turn the ball back over with just enough time to set up a Bradley-era soft ice cream zone defense and let Gabbert give them a chance to win on a long FG...which of course happens.

Our whole team played poorly today, but Marrone's decision to attempt a pass like that instead of taking the sure-fire OT is terrible.  No, it's worst than terrible.  It's gross incompetence.

Hats off to Gabbert, who is not as bad as most would make him out to be.  He came through in the end and redeemed himself.  Also, credit given to the Cards placekicker for the clutch winning kick.  Finally, kudos to the Cards for showing up ready to play.

The are no positives to this game as far as our side is concerned.  We kissed the idea of a playoff bye goodbye.  We'll be playing in the wildcard round now and maybe even on the road at that.  Not that it matters much, as we're one & done either way.

(11-26-2017, 08:47 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]I got laughed at when I said 6-10 weeks ago. Maybe off but one game but looking more and more possible

I’m laughing at you for saying 7-9 right now.

(11-26-2017, 08:39 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ]don't care if it was dropped. there was no hope of getting onto scoring range there.

almost as bad as the jets game throwing three straight times with bortles inside the 5

It was definitely a boneheaded mistake.  But a fireable offense?  Come on, man.  Don't be ridiculous.

Quote:Hats off to Gabbert, who is not as bad as most would make him out to be.  He came through in the end and redeemed himself.  Also, credit given to the Cards placekicker for the clutch winning kick.  Finally, kudos to the Cards for showing up ready to play.

Gabbert is EXACTLY who we thought he was. The minute he got touched, he started feeling phantom pressure and lost accuracy. However, when his line gave him lots of time, he was fine. Gabbert would probably be pretty good on a team with a really nice O-line. Our D just didn't get enough pressure, and Gabbert was comfortable enough to make the throws.

Knowing what I do about Gabbert, I would have been blitzing early and often, in man coverage. I would have told Fowler to feel free to get a couple penalties early on for late hits. Then I would have sat back and watch him unfold. But that's just me.

I honestly can’t defend that decision, it was just poor.

With that said this same coaching staff has gotten us to 7-4 doing unorthodox things. I’m willing to not knee jerk and give them the ample time to correct the mistake. They have built some equity with me so far and one miscue won’t make me feel as if all is lost.

Some around here need to take a breather and chill lol

It is possible being too predictable and losing the football. We did have a fumble earlier in game.

Dumb call, but firing someone because of it is just as stupid. Despite the boneheads mistake, we are still sitting wit 7 wins. We've almost matched our win total from the past two years with 5 games to go. 2 days ago people were talking about potential coach of the year honors. How fickle this fan base is.

We got this far by playing tight man coverage.
We lost partly because we played zone.
Marone admitted his mistakes.
Blake kinda admitted his.
Young wrs had balls in their hands and dropped them that would have changed the game. Maybe 7 or 8 deep shots.
Lordy oh lordy we were close in those passes.
Onto the clots..here's to a new year's Eve game with everything at stake

(11-27-2017, 10:26 AM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Hats off to Gabbert, who is not as bad as most would make him out to be.  He came through in the end and redeemed himself.  Also, credit given to the Cards placekicker for the clutch winning kick.  Finally, kudos to the Cards for showing up ready to play.

Gabbert is EXACTLY who we thought he was. The minute he got touched, he started feeling phantom pressure and lost accuracy. However, when his line gave him lots of time, he was fine. Gabbert would probably be pretty good on a team with a really nice O-line. Our D just didn't get enough pressure, and Gabbert was comfortable enough to make the throws.

Knowing what I do about Gabbert, I would have been blitzing early and often, in man coverage. I would have told Fowler to feel free to get a couple penalties early on for late hits. Then I would have sat back and watch him unfold. But that's just me.

This oline argument is pretty dumb. Arizona is not known of having a good offensive line. Gabbert deserves more than he is given credit for, he was able to release the ball before the rush was there, and did some very good things vs an elite defense.

(11-27-2017, 11:33 AM)MariGOATa Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-27-2017, 10:26 AM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]Gabbert is EXACTLY who we thought he was. The minute he got touched, he started feeling phantom pressure and lost accuracy. However, when his line gave him lots of time, he was fine. Gabbert would probably be pretty good on a team with a really nice O-line. Our D just didn't get enough pressure, and Gabbert was comfortable enough to make the throws.

Knowing what I do about Gabbert, I would have been blitzing early and often, in man coverage. I would have told Fowler to feel free to get a couple penalties early on for late hits. Then I would have sat back and watch him unfold. But that's just me.

This oline argument is pretty dumb. Arizona is not known of having a good offensive line. Gabbert deserves more than he is given credit for, he was able to release the ball before the rush was there, and did some very good things vs an elite defense.

I thought Arizona did a great job of scouting us and had a great game plan, both on offense and on defense.

I think we may have spent way to much time focusing on the browns and not enough for Arizona. Thinking is Blaine. But football is a team sport.