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After watching him today I could take Keenam if Vikings prefer Bridgewater.

lol, if Vikings prefer Bridgewater he would be playing

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Bridgewater as a Viking is over

(11-24-2017, 01:15 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]lol, if Vikings prefer Bridgewater he would be playing

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Bridgewater as a Viking is over

I think what he is getting at is Bridgewater, Keenum, and also Bradford will all be FAs. Keenum will most def be looking to cash in and continue to be a starter if he keeps this up. Would be hard for the Vikings to keep both Bridge and Keenum.

Been saying for quite a while that the loser of the Bridgewater/Keenum battle this offseason, or Tyrod, plus a 1st round QB draft pick would be just about the best case scenario for us this offseason. Cousins would be best but I just cannot see us shelling out the biggest contract in NFL history so I am not counting that as a very serious possibility.

I don't want anyone else's castoffs as a long term starter. As a transition QB to a rookie, he'd be fine, but not as a true franchise starter. I fully expect the Vikings to re-sign him anyway and possibly Bridgewater as well. Bradford will be the odd man out.

We still wouldn't have Thielin. That guy is always open. Or Diggs either.

I don't. He could be another Fitzpatrick or McCown type. And you can't trust him if that's the case. It's a mistake to fork over huge amounts of money to these signal callers. Look at Chicago with Glennon this off-season. It's just not worth it. I'd rather go after a 10+ year veteran that's been with the same team forever like a Rivers, Brees or Manning over Keenum. And then you draft a successor to groom for a year or two. To me that's typically been the best method.

(11-24-2017, 12:46 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I don't. He could be another Fitzpatrick or McCown type. And you can't trust him if that's the case. It's a mistake to fork over huge amounts of money to these signal callers. Look at Chicago with Glennon this off-season. It's just not worth it. I'd rather go after a 10+ year veteran that's been with the same team forever like a Rivers, Brees or Manning over Keenum. And then you draft a successor to groom for a year or two. To me that's typically been the best method.

I agree, I think that Keenum has deviated far from the mean with his play this year, but he has also been on a better team than he has ever had before. He did look decent backing up the Texans like 5 years ago when they were a playoff squad and Schwab went down, but I still think he will come back down to earth next season. 

If I was a QB needy team and he was willing to take 12-16 million per, I might take a shot at that point. But when you get into real franchise QB money (20 mm +) I don't think you pay that to guys with less of a resume than say Cousins. 

On the other hand I think this might be a great time to pick up on Teddy Bridgewater. He would be a decent fit with a team like the Jags cause he is highly accurate (always has been) and isn't going to turn the ball over alot. Blake was never made to be a game manager and he doesn't fit in that role IMO (but he isn't good enough to win consistently as a gun slinger either). Teddy was made to be an excellent game manager. So if he would take a simular contract to what I mentioned above I would do it for him also. 

Bradford is worth less to me due to injury history. He has just has too many season ending injuries. I am sure he will play well when he is well, but that just isn't happening enough for me to make him a long term offer at this point with his age.

Keenam is a gamer and is playing well but he's more along the lines of quality spot starter for me. He has the best WR pair in the NFL this year and if we include TEs it's probably the best trio too.

Wouldn't hate him here but he'd be more of a contingency plan than someone I aim for.

If keenum keeps winning like he has, there is no way they can let him go.

Teddy Bridgewater is the better quarterback. Case Keenum will revert to his statistical norm after this season. He's playing well right now, no doubt, but never forget that he is playing way above expectations, kind of like Ryan Fitzpatrick two years ago. He played well above his norm, and then last year he reverted to form for the Jets.

If the Vikings try to trade Bridgewater, I would take a flier on him. Much more so than Case Keenum.

Bridgewater's durability is a big question. Will the rehabbed knee stand up? If so, can his body even take the NFL pounding over 16 games? I tend to think not and, along those lines, I would have no interest in Sam Bradford either.

(11-24-2017, 01:08 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-24-2017, 12:46 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I don't. He could be another Fitzpatrick or McCown type. And you can't trust him if that's the case. It's a mistake to fork over huge amounts of money to these signal callers. Look at Chicago with Glennon this off-season. It's just not worth it. I'd rather go after a 10+ year veteran that's been with the same team forever like a Rivers, Brees or Manning over Keenum. And then you draft a successor to groom for a year or two. To me that's typically been the best method.

I agree, I think that Keenum has deviated far from the mean with his play this year, but he has also been on a better team than he has ever had before. He did look decent backing up the Texans like 5 years ago when they were a playoff squad and Schwab went down, but I still think he will come back down to earth next season. 

If I was a QB needy team and he was willing to take 12-16 million per, I might take a shot at that point. But when you get into real franchise QB money (20 mm +) I don't think you pay that to guys with less of a resume than say Cousins. 

On the other hand I think this might be a great time to pick up on Teddy Bridgewater. He would be a decent fit with a team like the Jags cause he is highly accurate (always has been) and isn't going to turn the ball over alot. Blake was never made to be a game manager and he doesn't fit in that role IMO (but he isn't good enough to win consistently as a gun slinger either). Teddy was made to be an excellent game manager. So if he would take a simular contract to what I mentioned above I would do it for him also. 

Bradford is worth less to me due to injury history. He has just has too many season ending injuries. I am sure he will play well when he is well, but that just isn't happening enough for me to make him a long term offer at this point with his age.

Great post, bang on. I think the Vikings like Bradford, I think he'd probably be their starter with all 3 healthy. But I agree, I don't think he has another superstar value to get a big money deal with his injury record. He had some good games with the Rams, just always got awful injuries.

Keenum started last season pretty well with the Rams but they had Fisher as HC, no WR's and Goff over his shoulder. He started forcing plays and getting picked but he's looked so good for the Vikings this season. I think he needs a good D and talent around him but as you say, we seem to be more in need of a game manager QB and for the right price, I could get on board.

Bridgewater would be a nice pick up. I do like him and felt he got a lot of unfair criticism. He is very accurate and can place the ball well. 

It's going to be a tough decision for Minnesotta and plenty of teams will be looking at them this off season. The one good thing is this does look like one of the better years to go QB shopping but we need to pick well and thankfully we have Coughlin.

(11-24-2017, 07:32 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I don't want anyone else's castoffs as a long term starter. As a transition QB to a rookie, he'd be fine, but not as a true franchise starter. I fully expect the Vikings to re-sign him anyway and possibly Bridgewater as well. Bradford will be the odd man out.

I get where you are coming from, but I would urge you to consider just what castoffs have been able to do over the years.

Peyton Manning, a Colts castoff, helped guide the Broncos to two Super Bowl appearances, though admittedly, he was finished by their last one and the defense played more of a role than he did.

Drew Brees, a castoff from the Chargers, won a Super Bowl with the Saints.  The year before, Kurt Warner, a cast off from the Rams and Giants, took the Cardinals to their first ever Super Bowl appearance.  BTW, Kurt Warner was also a castoff when he won the Super Bowl with the Rams after the 1999 season.

The Seahawks reached the Super Bowl for the first time with castoff Matt Hasselbeck (GB) at QB.

In 2002, the Bucs, admittedly a defensive team, won their first Super Bowl with QB castoff Brad Johnson at the helm.  They beat the Raiders, who made their first Super Bowl appearance since 1983, with QB castoff Rich Gannon, who won league MVP that year.

Trent Dilfer, a castoff from the Bucs, took another defense dominant team in the Ravens, to a Super Bowl win in 2000.

Brett Favre, a castoff from the Falcons, took the Green Bay Packers to back to back Super Bowls in 1996-1997 after being traded from the Falcons.

Steve Young was dealt from the Bucs, but that did not stop him from winning a Super Bowl in 1994 with the 49ers.

Sometimes, like Dareus, a guy needs to be in the right situation at the right time.  That applies to QBs.  I think with this strong defensive team who should be together at least another year or so, needs a veteran QB who won't make mistakes and can make the occasional big play to win some games.  That wouldn't necessarily preclude us from drafting a QB.  But as great as our defense is, it still needs help from the offense.  As effective as our running game can be, it still needs a competent passing game to take the pressure off of it.  We're not likely to get that from a rookie QB, even if we ultimately hit on that pick.

No thanks. He doesn't pass the "porous O-line" eye test.

Well why not? 

He’s playing very well in Minnesota and to me he’s not just managing the game, he’s making plays. 

Vikings will most likely make Bridgewater the starter. Meaning they may be open to Keenum. He’s also younger than Manning and less of a risk in my humble opinion.  

Thoughts?

He'd be in the running for my third choice right along with Tyrod Taylor. We actually have a lot of different options potentially. If Cousins or Manning doesn't pan out for various methods I wouldn't mind Keenum. He's playing well now but he has the smallest sample size of all the potentially available QBs.

yep

Back in late September I mentioned Keenum as a potential "mid-tier vet" to sign along with drafting a QB early.

I was told immediately how terrible Keenum is by several posters.

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