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One player we missed in this thread is RB Tim Cook from Oregon State. It'll be interesting if he challenges at RB or even FB. The guy is a big back at 6-0, 242.

Quote:Short arms = easier to bench.

So, if this logic is to hold up, then it is highly probable that he would've had the shortest arms of any D-Lineman at the combine, if he were to have the most reps on the bench.

Quote:Huh. The Jags have a long history of athletic DEs who never got to the QB. Maybe Dimick's way will work.

Hunter.  I think it should be Hunter's way.  Hunter's Way! 
 

Quote:So, if this logic is to hold up, then it is highly probable that he would've had the shortest arms of any D-Lineman at the combine, if he were to have the most reps on the bench.

The short arms is the one item that stands out and that could have been the central issue as to why he was undrafted.

Quote:The short arms is the one item that stands out and that could have been the central issue as to why he was undrafted.

As soon as the highlights started rolling, that was my immediate thought.  Kinda puts ya in the mind of a Derek Landri. Well, to me anyway-

I have heard comparisons between Carroll Phillips and Leonard Floyd, the Bears 2016 Rd 1 selection.

 

Phillips played the weak side DE.

 

His Pro Day 40 time was 4.57.

 

He was 1st team All Big 10 and this really was his first year as a starter.

 

Supposedly not the talent that Smoot is, but the Jags may have found a diamond in the rough as a designated pass rusher in Carroll Phillips.

 

I think he is a DE and not a LB, although he could be considered a standup OLB.

They would like to have a "3rd LEO" as we used to call it behind Ngakoue and Fowler. He could be among those competing for the spot although I'm not aware of any other legit contenders on the roster.

Offical list has been posted on main page, along with players cut to make room.

Gennesy is listed as OG by the Jaguars, do we think he has chance to push Cann or Omameh?

Who really cares?  Most of these guys are basically "camp fodder" with maybe a few possibly ending up on the practice squad and in a rare case, 1 or maybe 2 will make the 53 man roster.

Yes Gennesy may be camp fodder. But I am a homer and love 1st team SEC selections. Especially as UDFA. He can play guard with serious weight training.


 

Overview

A&M has become a place that scouts look for offensive linemen, as the Aggies have produced first-round picks on the line in the past four drafts. Whether or not Gennesy is selected that high, league coaches believed he played well enough at the left tackle spot in 2016 to earn first-team All-SEC honors. He originally planned to go to Arkansas State out of high school, but failed to qualify academically. After two years at East Mississippi Community College (where he won a national title), Gennesy spent a redshirt year in College Station. Once a starting spot at left tackle opened up in 2015, he stepped up to start every game at that spot.

 

Analysis Strengths Has lateral agility and desire to get to difficult reach blocks in zone game. Rapid responder out of snap. Shoots out on top of defensive ends with quick sets and hustles to swing his hips into position to wall off three-techniques on gap plays. Able to torque his hips and widen defenders off the edge. Moves well in space with desired body control on all levels. Can pull effectively. Choppy, controlled kick slide. Able to gain enough ground against most edge speed. Feet and balance help mirror effectively and can redirect back inside. Latches onto defenders with strong hands. Has length and athletic ability for adequate recovery when beaten. Aware and alert. Senses twists coming and understands how to handle them.

 

Weaknesses High-cut with long waist and stiffness in his hips. Not a natural bender. Too tall into pass sets, allowing bull-rushers a viable attack point under his pads. Fears speed-to-power rushers and leans into engagements in order to supplement his anchor. Rarely asked to generate push at point of attack as base blocker and might lack leverage to do it on pro level. Hands prefer to gather and grab rather than punch. Average block finisher. Wide hands might be muscle-memory issue that is difficult to correct. At the top of the rush arc, will push and muscle rushers rather than continuing to slide feet to cut off the angle. Edges a little soft and could struggle to find redirect strength.

 

Draft Projection Round 5 Sources Tell Us "He's unique because he's athletic and has great feet, but his hips are stiff. He's not strong enough to play guard and his anchor could get quarterbacks hit too much." -- Scout with AFC North team NFL Comparison Marshall Newhouse Bottom Line Former junior college transfer who displayed the athleticism that allowed Texas A&M to keep Germain Ifedi at right tackle in 2015. Foot quickness could make him a target of teams who ask more from their tackles in the run game, but his lack of bend could create consistent issues against bull-rushers. While teams could try him at guard, he will likely stay outside at tackle and compete as a swing tackle right away. -Lance Zierlein

Sounds like Gennesy needs a lot of work in the run blocking department. Maybe a year on the PS might help.

Quote:Gennesy is listed as OG by the Jaguars, do we think he has chance to push Cann or Omameh?

I'm thinking the switch to a power run blocking scheme may benefit Cann and Shatley.

Quote:I'm thinking the switch to a power run blocking scheme may benefit Cann and Shatley.

Hopefully it helps everyone out. I'd like to see Cann back at LG.

Quote:Who really cares? Most of these guys are basically "camp fodder" with maybe a few possibly ending up on the practice squad and in a rare case, 1 or maybe 2 will make the 53 man roster.

Allen Hurns cares.

If Corey Grant can make the team ITavious Mathers can too. He played at Ole Miss and was pretty good, Ole Miss just had a stable of backs that always got around 10 touches per game and Mathers wanted more and transfered. I remember him being prettt impressive despite playing on a team with a lackluster rushing game

Quote:Yes Gennesy may be camp fodder. But I am a homer and love 1st team SEC selections. Especially as UDFA. He can play guard with serious weight training.



Overview

A&M has become a place that scouts look for offensive linemen, as the Aggies have produced first-round picks on the line in the past four drafts. Whether or not Gennesy is selected that high, league coaches believed he played well enough at the left tackle spot in 2016 to earn first-team All-SEC honors. He originally planned to go to Arkansas State out of high school, but failed to qualify academically. After two years at East Mississippi Community College (where he won a national title), Gennesy spent a redshirt year in College Station. Once a starting spot at left tackle opened up in 2015, he stepped up to start every game at that spot.


Analysis Strengths Has lateral agility and desire to get to difficult reach blocks in zone game. Rapid responder out of snap. Shoots out on top of defensive ends with quick sets and hustles to swing his hips into position to wall off three-techniques on gap plays. Able to torque his hips and widen defenders off the edge. Moves well in space with desired body control on all levels. Can pull effectively. Choppy, controlled kick slide. Able to gain enough ground against most edge speed. Feet and balance help mirror effectively and can redirect back inside. Latches onto defenders with strong hands. Has length and athletic ability for adequate recovery when beaten. Aware and alert. Senses twists coming and understands how to handle them.


Weaknesses High-cut with long waist and stiffness in his hips. Not a natural bender. Too tall into pass sets, allowing bull-rushers a viable attack point under his pads. Fears speed-to-power rushers and leans into engagements in order to supplement his anchor. Rarely asked to generate push at point of attack as base blocker and might lack leverage to do it on pro level. Hands prefer to gather and grab rather than punch. Average block finisher. Wide hands might be muscle-memory issue that is difficult to correct. At the top of the rush arc, will push and muscle rushers rather than continuing to slide feet to cut off the angle. Edges a little soft and could struggle to find redirect strength.


Draft Projection Round 5 Sources Tell Us "He's unique because he's athletic and has great feet, but his hips are stiff. He's not strong enough to play guard and his anchor could get quarterbacks hit too much." -- Scout with AFC North team NFL Comparison Marshall Newhouse Bottom Line Former junior college transfer who displayed the athleticism that allowed Texas A&M to keep Germain Ifedi at right tackle in 2015. Foot quickness could make him a target of teams who ask more from their tackles in the run game, but his lack of bend could create consistent issues against bull-rushers. While teams could try him at guard, he will likely stay outside at tackle and compete as a swing tackle right away. -Lance Zierlein

Sounds like he needs alot of work at OG or needs to stay at Tackle and learn there.