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Quote:spacecoast, you think Bortles is playing well this year.  Please don't say others are oblivious.

 

Never once did I say Bortles is playing WELL this year. Never once in ANY post. 

 

Another lie.

Yeah, you've only talked up on numerous posts and hijacked others. 

 

You don't put hundreds of millions into a stadium only to move it 4 years later.  It's a bad investment.  You don't know a thing about money.  Now please lie to me and tell me about all the people you know, and how connected you are while still talking on the Jaguars message board....

Quote:Never once did I say Bortles is playing WELL this year. Never once in ANY post. 

 

Another lie.

 

[BLEEP]? Dude that's you literally saying "I never typed the words "Bortles is playing well this year""" even though you spout off nonstop stats about his stats this year vs Cam Newton and garbage time vs Phillip Rivers. 

 

I said this earlier in another thread but this time it's directed at you, I literally think you type so much [BLEEP] and you know it, that you don't know what to keep track of anymore. 

 

It's like a habitual liar. They lie so much that at some point they just have no idea what they're talking about. You fit this 100%. 

Quote:[BAD WORD REMOVED]? Dude that's you literally saying "I never typed the words "Bortles is playing well this year""" even though you spout off nonstop stats about his stats this year vs Cam Newton and garbage time vs Phillip Rivers. 

 

I said this earlier in another thread but this time it's directed at you, I literally think you type so much [BAD WORD REMOVED] and you know it, that you don't know what to keep track of anymore. 

 

It's like a habitual liar. They lie so much that at some point they just have no idea what they're talking about. You fit this 100%. 

 

 

You can't follow anything can you? All I've been saying is Bortles is NOT the problem on this team. At all. I said nothing about his play this year. He's doing great for a 23-24 year old QB according to the history of the NFL standards. 

 

Peyton Manning threw 100 INTs his first 5 years. 

 

Jags fans are just inept and used to 15 TD, 2200 yard QBs for 18 years. They don't really have a clue. It's understandable.

He's one of those delusional people that lie over and over, talk in circles, and when you say that they say something they will tell you they never said it.   He's the new TMD of the Jaguar message board.  No rational discussion will ever come from him. You will never be able to get him to see a valid point you make, he will never understand anything.

 

He likes to get a rise out of people and telling Jaguar fans that the team is going to move is the ultimate rise.

Quote:You can't follow anything can you? All I've been saying is Bortles is NOT the problem on this team. At all. I said nothing about his play this year. He's doing great for a 23-24 year old QB according to the history of the NFL standards. 

 

Peyton Manning threw 100 INTs his first 5 years. 

 

Jags fans are just inept and used to 15 TD, 2200 yard QBs for 18 years. They don't really have a clue. It's understandable.

 

I know about Peyton Manning throwing 100 ints in his first 5 years. You want to know how I know about that? You've typed it 100 times in the past 5 days on this forum, that's how. I literally get stats glued to my brain because you type nonsensical bs over and over so much that people like me literally lose brain cells having that knowledge stuck to their brains for no reason. 

 

You keep quoting Leftwich / Garrard years but of course leave out the fact that we had no receivers during those years, the team was bad during those years, it wasn't a passing league during those years, or a million other facts. Dude you're a [BLEEP] complete joke and you'll probably be banned for life before too much longer as much of a circus as you're causing around here. 

Quote:He's one of those delusional people that lie over and over, talk in circles, and when you say that they say something they will tell you they never said it.   He's the new TMD of the Jaguar message board.  No rational discussion will ever come from him. You will never be able to get him to see a valid point you make, he will never understand anything.

 

He likes to get a rise out of people and telling Jaguar fans that the team is going to move is the ultimate rise.

 

I finally realized it. He's not a fan of the Jags, he's solely a fan of Blake Bortles because he's his fluffer. 

Quote:I know about Peyton Manning throwing 100 ints in his first 5 years. You want to know how I know about that? You've typed it 100 times in the past 5 days on this forum, that's how. I literally get stats glued to my brain because you type nonsensical [BAD WORD REMOVED] over and over so much that people like me literally lose brain cells having that knowledge stuck to their brains for no reason. 

 

You keep quoting Leftwich / Garrard years but of course leave out the fact that we had no receivers during those years, the team was bad during those years, it wasn't a passing league during those years, or a million other facts. Dude you're a [BAD WORD REMOVED] complete joke and you'll probably be banned for life before too much longer as much of a circus as you're causing around here. 

 

Holy run on sentence.

Quote:If you look at past relocations there's almost an established playbook for how to move a team. It starts with an old stadium with low revenue streams. Then the owner starts demanding small concessions from the local government in terms of revenue, it might be that they get to keep the revenue from luxury boxes or that the city pays for all maintenance. Then he demands get bigger and bigger with ever increasing renovations and expenses. Then they start demanding a new stadium. When the city says no at one point during this whole process the owner then threatens to move the team and if he keeps getting no he does it. Bonus points if they pull Kroenke where they complain about the stadium but make zero effort to work with the city on improving or replacing it.

 

None of this has happened in Jacksonville. There have been stadium improvements for sure but Khan has paid for them equally with the city and the city pays for them with money already allocated to the stadium. Khan is working with the city to improve the stadium and has never used the threat of relocation to make demands. 

 

Voice of reason, is that you? Thank you for rightfully pointing out the obvious. Zero - and I mean zero - empirical evidence exists that points to Shad Khan's desire to move the Jaguars to London. Even if we pretend like the Jaguars don't have an ironclad lease through 2030 (which they do), the conspiracy theories simply don't even make logical sense.

 

Khan is tanking the franchise intentionally to run off the fanbase? How? By winning the NFL draft by consensus every year, aggressively pursuing free agent acquisitions, building a team that should be great on paper, and massively expanding regional marketing efforts?

 

Khan is secretly planning to move the team to London? Again, just vapid, braindead conjecture. If Khan truly intended to move the team to London, he had so much low hanging fruit that he could have exploited in efforts to do so. As the good man said above, the easiest way that Shad Khan could have got a relocation moving would have been to play the stadium obsolescence card.

 

When Khan bought the team, Everbank Field was probably in the bottom third of NFL stadiums. Capacity was too large for the market size. Club levels were underperforming and dated. Amenities were lacking. The home theater experience was winning over the in-person experience. Hell, we didn't even have naming rights in place.

 

Taking our tin foil hats off for a second and putting ourselves in the shoes of the evil owner with the secret relocation plan, what would we do? I would argue nothing, beyond maintaining the status quo. But what did Khan do? He brought in Mark Lamping, the man behind Metlife Stadium, and gave him the keys to the stadium. Instead of letting the stadium decay into obsolescence, Khan and Lamping transformed Everbank Field into one of the great venues in America. They reduced capacity, they turned underperforming sections of Everbank into genuine revenue drivers, they completely upgraded the club area, they built state-of-the-art locker rooms, they sold (and extended) corporate naming rights, and they fought the home theater experience head-on by adding the world's largest video boards to Everbank.

 

The stadium efforts have been so effective that - if you look at NFL franchise valuation numbers - the Jaguars have increased in value to a point only matched by teams who have either built new stadiums, or in the process of building new stadiums.

 

Sure seems like a [BAD WORD REMOVED] way to secretly tank the franchise in Jacksonville and move it to London.

 

You know what else is a bad way to move a franchise to London? Co-finance the construction of a massive new event space and amphitheater built specifically to provide a killer game day experience to Jags fans. And you know what else is a bad way to move a franchise to London? Plan a massive 10-year development on the Shipyards property that will funnel fans into Everbank Field. And when that sounds like it will be delayed by the city, another bad way would be to shift the project east and start making plans to build a massive development on or near Metro Park, with a luxury hotel (for football fans), entertainment and retail space, mooring for the USS Adams, and possibly even a space for your private yacht.

 

Keep in mind, he's funneling 100+ million and counting into these projects, and we're talking about a guy who is so tight with spending that he goes after a BAKERY when he doesn't think he's ROIing on the project.

 

Simply put, if Khan is secretly planning to move the Jaguars to London, he is literally doing the absolute worst job IMAGINABLE in his efforts.

Quote:Yeah, you've only talked up on numerous posts and hijacked others.


You don't put hundreds of millions into a stadium only to move it 4 years later. It's a bad investment. You don't know a thing about money. Now please lie to me and tell me about all the people you know, and how connected you are while still talking on the Jaguars message board....

If your a business man who deals in Billions, a few million is nothing to get excited about. Khan doesnt seem like he is trying to move the jaguars. But he sure is hedging his bets if that situation arises. In 2020 when the NFL wants to move a team, then we will see if he is serious about staying in JVille or not. When someone else tries to 'steal' London from the Jags, thats when we will know.

Quote:Voice of reason, is that you? Thank you for rightfully pointing out the obvious. Zero - and I mean zero - empirical evidence exists that points to Shad Khan's desire to move the Jaguars to London. Even if we pretend like the Jaguars don't have an ironclad lease through 2030 (which they do), the conspiracy theories simply don't even make logical sense.

Here's the thing about the lease; The Jaguars can break the lease if they can show three consecutive years of operating losses. This will never happen because the NFL will never allow a franchise to open its books to a judicial court. but most damning to this fact is that the London games make the Jaguars profitable. The revenue from the London games is so large it is actually helping to keep the Jaguars in Jacksonville.

 

Also quick note; Everbank bought the naming rights in 2010, Khan didn't buy the team until 2011. So Khan didn't sell the naming rights though he did extend them.

Quote:Here's the thing about the lease; The Jaguars can break the lease if they can show three consecutive years of operating losses. This will never happen because the NFL will never allow a franchise to open its books to a judicial court. but most damning to this fact is that the London games make the Jaguars profitable. The revenue from the London games is so large it is actually helping to keep the Jaguars in Jacksonville.

 

Also quick note; Everbank bought the naming rights in 2010, Khan didn't buy the team until 2011. So Khan didn't sell the naming rights though he did extend them.

 

Great point, and solid, accurate correction.

 

It's also worth noting that the Metro Park development that Khan and Mark Lamping have been discussing (which I imagine we'll hear about at this year's State of the Franchise) likely won't break ground until late 2017, and likely wouldn't be ready until the 2019-2020 season.