(12-06-2017, 11:03 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I can't wait to see the fireworks from people's heads exploding when Bortles gets a good contract (possibly) before the end of the season. Is he going to get Aron Rogers type of money/contract? No. But he's pretty much going to be here next season like it or not barring a major meltdown in the next 4(+) games.
Good God! The team is on the cusp of a winning season and poised to make a playoff appearance and so many "fans" want to run players off. While the QB isn't the greatest, the TEAM still has an 8-4 record and knocking on the door for a Divisional Championship. Let that sink in for a bit.
My guess is the team signs him to a contract that keeps him here for another 3 years or so and possibly drafts his "heir apparent" either in this coming off-season or the next.
I personally would be shocked if the team lets him walk in free agency. That would be the dumbest move ever and I just don't see it happening.
My head won't explode. I expect it to happen, look at some of the bottom tier trash level QBs that has gotten over 17 million the last couple seasons in FA, it doesn't work. It doesn't make it a good move either, just because they get that money. If you have to sign a FA QB, go get a vet that has had some success and pay less, or a lights out guy like Brees(when NO signed him) or Cousins.
I simply laugh at the moves for low end Qbs, because those team have les $ to sign quality players. It would make more sense to try to develop your own guy than go out and sign/pay a bad FA QB like Osweiler, Glennon, or Tyrod Taylor, or Bortles 70+ million over 4 years. I am saying, you shouldn't want your favorite team to make these moves. Bad teams tend to do this, well ran teams with a tradition of winning pick the right QB. SEE: Green Bay(2x HoF in a row), NYG(Eli is a HoFer), Pittsburgh(Ben might be too), Seattle(Wilson is my Mvp this year), New England(Brady, Bledsoe), Rams, Eagles, Falcons, Colts(Luck/Manning, rest of team is trash lol), Raiders, Chargers, Panthers, Redskins, Cowboys, Lions. They all drafted their guys. The only time I see you picking up a QB in FA is if you need a vet cheap to be a stop gap, or you go for the fences. Signing a guy like Bortles to a 4 year 70 million deal, is a bad move on so many levels.
(12-06-2017, 11:03 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Good God! The team is on the cusp of a winning season and poised to make a playoff appearance and so many "fans" want to run players off. While the QB isn't the greatest, the TEAM still has an 8-4 record and knocking on the door for a Divisional Championship. Let that sink in for a bit.
The team's record is very much a secondary consideration and while it's good, it's been on a relatively soft schedule.
The question is, are we 8-4 because of Bortles or in spite of him?
(12-07-2017, 01:06 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2017, 11:03 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Good God! The team is on the cusp of a winning season and poised to make a playoff appearance and so many "fans" want to run players off. While the QB isn't the greatest, the TEAM still has an 8-4 record and knocking on the door for a Divisional Championship. Let that sink in for a bit.
The team's record is very much a secondary consideration and while it's good, it's been on a relatively soft schedule.
The question is, are we 8-4 because of Bortles or in spite of him?
I mean, can we only think about one thing at a time all season? 8-4 is great, we could be 11-1 too, Jets game you touch Powell down and you win, or make a catch it OT and kick. Rams you don't give up a kick return and punt blocked for TDs, you win that one. Arizona, you get to OT and win by attrition, Arizona wasn't scoring again if they had to drive the field.
The fact is, Blake isn't that good, so we discuss how this team can take the next step. QB is an obvious spot, because it is such an important role. Just look at his 4th quarter stats and his YPA on 3rd down. They are awful, you can't sustain winning over a long period of time with that at QB. You don't get this schedule every year, if we win the division we are going to have a tougher schedule next year.
(12-06-2017, 11:03 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I can't wait to see the fireworks from people's heads exploding when Bortles gets a good contract (possibly) before the end of the season. Is he going to get Aron Rogers type of money/contract? No. But he's pretty much going to be here next season like it or not barring a major meltdown in the next 4(+) games.
Good God! The team is on the cusp of a winning season and poised to make a playoff appearance and so many "fans" want to run players off. While the QB isn't the greatest, the TEAM still has an 8-4 record and knocking on the door for a Divisional Championship. Let that sink in for a bit.
My guess is the team signs him to a contract that keeps him here for another 3 years or so and possibly drafts his "heir apparent" either in this coming off-season or the next.
I personally would be shocked if the team lets him walk in free agency. That would be the dumbest move ever and I just don't see it happening.
You sound a whole lot like the Bengals fans I live around (heck one being my brother) right before Dalton signed his extension.
"We're winning games" "remember how bad it used to be" "sign him to a deal and draft his heir apparent"
3 years later they all realize what a catastrophe it was to waste their window with a championship caliber roster on an average at best QB purely out of fear. I don't want to build a scared football roster around here.
Looking at his stats this year his completion %is at 59.8 figure in the multitude of easy drops it could be well over 61%. he is on track to have the best year in interceptions QB rating and Completion % I would think he might even end up in the top 15 of QBs this year. If we can keep him for 19 m and draft a replacement would be better then paying a lot more for someone who might not be as good or just as good.
(12-06-2017, 08:21 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-06-2017, 02:00 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Really?
I mean Brady, Rodgers, Brees are 3 of the all time great QBs. Ryan, Wilson, Ben, Rivers, Newton are MVP winners. Then you got an exciting new crop of QBs in Goff, Wentz, Prescott. Throw in some Stafford, Cousins, Carr and Luck.
I'd say that's pretty good.
Ryan sucks, Wilson is blah, I can't explain that guy.. I guess the word is boring. He's just boring to me so he's an afterthought, but I guess he's good. Big Ben is done, Rivers is a regular season QB, Newton sucks. Stafford sucks, Cousins needs everything to be perfect, Carr who knows after his injury and Luck is also done.
I'm not saying Bortles is better than any of these guys don't get me wrong.. but none of them are franchise QBs to me besides Carr.
I guess I have too high standards. haha
(Rivers playoff games in case people don't believe me:
Game 1 (Loss, 24-21 vs. New England): 14-32, 230 YD, 0 TD, 1 INT.
Game 2 (Win, 17-6 vs. Tennessee): 19-30, 292 YD, 1TD, 1 INT.
Game 3 (Win, 28-24 vs. Indianapolis): 14-19, 264 YD, 3 TD, 1 INT.
Game 4 (Loss, 21-12 vs. New England): 19-37, 211 YD, 0 TD, 2 INT.
Game 5 (Win, 23-17 vs. Indianapolis): 20-36, 217 YD, 0 TD, 1 INT.
Game 6 (Loss, 35-24 vs. Pittsburgh): 21-35, 308 YD, 3 TD, 1 INT.
Game 7 (Loss, 17-14 vs. NYJ): 27-40, 298 YD, 1 TD, 2 INT.)
Is this a parody post? I sure hope it is.
It's only going up from here. Considering Flaccos only Super Bowl run, the Jags should think about inking him to a 5yr 100mil deal before we pick 32nd in the 2018 NFL Draft.
At this point I am beginning to think 19 million is, in fact, the floor for Bortles. He has put together some really good games this year, and especially the second half has actually seemed to take a step forward as a leader. He is a major reason we won today.
Espn had a short article on Bortles Free agency next year. It does seem him signing the extension is best for both parties. it gives Bortles a good chunk of money and gives him the chance of a huge payday and let’s the Jaguars FO to evaluate him one more year before paying him as the franchise qb.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21809...le-jaguars
The light has turned on for Blake Bortles. He's no longer BBINT or Blake Bottles, or Bort.
He's playing the best Football of his life and is the hottest QB in the game over the last 3. He is peaking at the right time.
Time for the Jags to pay him. 99% of us wanted him cut.
(12-19-2017, 02:20 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]The light has turned on for Blake Bortles. He's no longer BBINT or Blake Bottles, or Bort.
He's playing the best Football of his life and is the hottest QB in the game over the last 3. He is peaking at the right time.
Time for the Jags to pay him. 99% of us wanted him cut.
Let him start next year on the option. If he is still playing at a high level after 5 or 6 games then you get the big deal done. As great as he is playing right now it's not out of the realm of possibility that he's just got a flacco-esque hot hand. No need to destroy our cap space over the next 5 or so years after a 3 game hot streak when we still have team control over him.
I think the team will use that 19mill option to make sure he is the real deal and not just on a hot streak and then give him a great deal middle of next year once they figure if hes worth the big money deal or not.
Yes, it turns out the current deal was extremely beneficial for the team. If Blake does not regress next year, that should be enough for the Jags to offer him a new and more lucrative contract.
(12-19-2017, 02:45 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017, 02:20 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]The light has turned on for Blake Bortles. He's no longer BBINT or Blake Bottles, or Bort.
He's playing the best Football of his life and is the hottest QB in the game over the last 3. He is peaking at the right time.
Time for the Jags to pay him. 99% of us wanted him cut.
Let him start next year on the option. If he is still playing at a high level after 5 or 6 games then you get the big deal done. As great as he is playing right now it's not out of the realm of possibility that he's just got a flacco-esque hot hand. No need to destroy our cap space over the next 5 or so years after a 3 game hot streak when we still have team control over him.
(12-19-2017, 02:47 PM)NJ JagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]I think the team will use that 19mill option to make sure he is the real deal and not just on a hot streak and then give him a great deal middle of next year once they figure if hes worth the big money deal or not.
Seems like the logical choice to me as well.
(12-19-2017, 02:20 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]The light has turned on for Blake Bortles. He's no longer BBINT or Blake Bottles, or Bort.
He's playing the best Football of his life and is the hottest QB in the game over the last 3. He is peaking at the right time.
Time for the Jags to pay him. 99% of us wanted him cut.
Don't speak for everyone. I love my props for riding with BB5 while everyone trashed him that i knew. Work feels that much better getting my 10 win prediciton and BB5 acting right when he finally gets decent protection with few drops.
I'd say his value currently is right at or about 19 mil.
No reason for him to take a "deal" to play at less. (If we were to cut him some team somewhere will pay him)
No real reason for us to offer a blockbuster extension.
Play that option (which will be top 5 pay for QB next year) and play well to earn, what will probably amount to the biggest QB deal yet.
Play poorly in 2018 and be shown the door after the season.
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