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After 15 years, he's had enough of Bengals ownership. Even though his teams have faded recently, the work he did turning the Bengals around early on makes me think he'll land on his feet as a head coach elsehwere. Tampa, Washington and Denver (assuming Elway sees Vance Joseph as a mistake) would all make a lot of sense.
I find it hard to imagine he won't land elsewhere. I agree on your three teams that would make a lot of sense. He may never win a Super Bowl but he's a good guy to get a team straightened out and back on track.
I would be at least somewhat surprised if Marvin Lewis ended up as the Redskins HC only because their current HC, Jay Gruden, was the Bengals Offensive Coordinator before being hired by the Redskins. If the Redskins make a HC change, the new HC probably won't have a direct connection to Lewis.
(12-18-2017, 09:11 AM)Browntrouser Wrote: [ -> ]3 - 5 years to late.
^exactly.
I agree with giving him credit early on for helping to turn that organization around (they really were ABYSMAL before he got there; worse than the Jags were the past decade IMO).
But, his teams were always undisciplined, and he has made a ton of questionable coaching decisions in his tenure. There's a reason that he went 0-7 in the playoffs with CINCY. I mean, that is just incredible. They won their division 4 of those times,, and lost every single home playoff game.
A few of those Cincy playoff teams had a superb defense (one of the best in the league), a superb O-line (one of the best in the league), good running game, and terrific WRs (Chad Johnson/Houshmandzadeh; Green/Jones/Sanu).
Lack of discipline and terrible coaching really cost them in most of those games.
Cincy let Mike Zimmer, Jay Gruden, and even Hue Jackson walk to other coaching positions while keeping Lewis. MISTAKE.
As a kid that grew up wacthing/attending/loving the Bengals for decades (I was around much earlier before the Jags came into existence , Lol); And as a "quasi-Cincy fan" still (I still leave near, and am surrounded by Cincy fans and game viewing each week),, I say regarding Marvin Lewis leaving:
IT'S. ABOUT. TIME.
I read somewhere that the Cincy mgmt. were surprised that he planned on leaving the team. How and why does this surprise them? If they weren't going to fire him at the end of the season then as a fan it would be time to give up on your team. The guy has been there far too long and given nothing to your fan base. That was a crazy report to me.
(12-18-2017, 10:44 AM)UCF Knight Wrote: [ -> ]I read somewhere that the Cincy mgmt. were surprised that he planned on leaving the team. How and why does this surprise them? If they weren't going to fire him at the end of the season then as a fan it would be time to give up on your team. The guy has been there far too long and given nothing to your fan base. That was a crazy report to me.
Mike Brown and the current mgmt have widely been viewed as a "joke" by most people.
Even so, I think they believe that they "owe" superb loyalty to Lewis and would keep him for decades just because of him bringing that team/organization out of the depths of despair.
Ridiculous IMO.
Cincy had a roster from about 2009-2015 that could've made it to and won a couple Superbowls (mainly defense, O-line, WRs, and running game). Failing in the playoffs 6 out of 7 years with that roster was basically impossible to do,, and they did it. (They were there 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015; the previous time was in 2005 when Carson Palmer and Chris Henry both got hurt on the first or second play of the game)
Epic fail.
(12-18-2017, 12:34 PM)jagherd Wrote: [ -> ] (12-18-2017, 10:44 AM)UCF Knight Wrote: [ -> ]I read somewhere that the Cincy mgmt. were surprised that he planned on leaving the team. How and why does this surprise them? If they weren't going to fire him at the end of the season then as a fan it would be time to give up on your team. The guy has been there far too long and given nothing to your fan base. That was a crazy report to me.
Mike Brown and the current mgmt have widely been viewed as a "joke" by most people.
Even so, I think they believe that they "owe" superb loyalty to Lewis and would keep him for decades just because of him bringing that team/organization out of the depths of despair.
Ridiculous IMO.
Cincy had a roster from about 2009-2015 that could've made it to and won a couple Superbowls (mainly defense, O-line, WRs, and running game). Failing in the playoffs 6 out of 7 years with that roster was basically impossible to do,, and they did it. (They were there 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015; the previous time was in 2005 when Carson Palmer and Chris Henry both got hurt on the first or second play of the game)
Epic fail.
That proved my point. If anyone is owed anything for that then the fans should leave in droves. It's an NFL team that should have done a lot more than they did during that time and has repeatedly been hurt due to a lack of self control and coaching mistakes.
It's possible that the Browns and Bengals are going to in essence swap HCs, with Marvin Lewis going to Cleveland and Hue Jackson to Cincinnati. My gut feeling at this time is Hue Jackson will become the next Bengals HC. I don't think the Browns would have a problem letting him leave, even to a Division Rival in the same state. Especially, with a new GM in Cleveland likely wanting to hire his own HC.
(12-19-2017, 06:41 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]It's possible that the Browns and Bengals are going to in essence swap HCs, with Marvin Lewis going to Cleveland and Hue Jackson to Cincinnati. My gut feeling at this time is Hue Jackson will become the next Bengals HC. I don't think the Browns would have a problem letting him leave, even to a Division Rival in the same state. Especially, with a new GM in Cleveland likely wanting to hire his own HC.
I don't think Marvin Lewis, at this point in his career, would want anything to do with that dumpster fire in Cleveland. Hue is probably the best coach Cleveland is going to get.
(12-19-2017, 06:49 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017, 06:41 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]It's possible that the Browns and Bengals are going to in essence swap HCs, with Marvin Lewis going to Cleveland and Hue Jackson to Cincinnati. My gut feeling at this time is Hue Jackson will become the next Bengals HC. I don't think the Browns would have a problem letting him leave, even to a Division Rival in the same state. Especially, with a new GM in Cleveland likely wanting to hire his own HC.
I don't think Marvin Lewis, at this point in his career, would want anything to do with that dumpster fire in Cleveland. Hue is probably the best coach Cleveland is going to get.
A major benefit for the Browns keeping Hue as HC is the Browns will maintain continuity with the systems in place and coaching style. If John Dorsey and Hue aren't on the same page though in some key ways, it probably would be better if the Browns went in another coaching direction yet again.
(12-20-2017, 12:00 AM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017, 06:49 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Marvin Lewis, at this point in his career, would want anything to do with that dumpster fire in Cleveland. Hue is probably the best coach Cleveland is going to get.
A major benefit for the Browns keeping Hue as HC is the Browns will maintain continuity with the systems in place and coaching style. If John Dorsey and Hue aren't on the same page though in some key ways, it probably would be better if the Browns went in another coaching direction yet again.
That is probably better for the Browns long-term. Their struggles can be traced back to front offices and coaches not being on the same page, and considering how much of their recent history involves front offices inheriting coaches (or vice versa), dumping Hue almost makes sense. There's just not much chance of them finding anyone better. If the Browns do fire Hue, they're going to get stuck with another mid-tier coordinator who's in over his head (Mike Pettine, Rod Chudzinski) or a retread who no one can satisfactorily explain the hiring of (Eric Mangini).
The best course might be to Gus Bradley it. Let Dorsey take a shot on someone who might be good or might be crap, with the understanding that the goal is to amass talent and make the team more attractive for a better coach, who they'll pursue in 3-4 years for a playoff team. Or leave everything as is and let Hue be the guy that either works out or doesn't, if Dorsey thinks the two of them can work together. If Dorsey has doubts about Jackson, the question becomes do you keep a good coach who lead to the same old Browns problems down the line, or do you replace him with a coach whose hire has people scratching their heads, like Mangini, Chud and Pettine did, knowing that you're most likely firing that guy as soon as the talent to go after a better coach is there?
I wonder if Gus Bradley will try and take credit for the Jags success this year. His resume would read:
2012 - 2016
Company: Jacksonville Jaguars
Position: Head Coach
Accomplishments: Assembled the Jaguars team that won the 2017 AFC South Division Title
Reason for Leaving: Terminated 2016 Week 15
Welp.
Marvin Lewis is on for a new two years with Cincy after they won the last couple meaningless games (for them) against teams that were in playoff contention (Lions, Ravens).
Unbelievable.
As long as Marvin Lewis is the HC and Dalton the QB,, the Bengals will never get anywhere except toil in mediocrity. They've both shown their "meddle" to absolutely fail in the playoffs, primetime, big time games,, etc.
Lewis has been there for 15 freaking years. He's gone 0-7 in the playoffs,, while having one of the best rosters in the NFL for many of those 7 seasons.
RIDICULOUS.
The rest of the AFC says: "Thank You Mike Brown!"
Idiots! Bungles!
(12-21-2017, 05:30 AM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if Gus Bradley will try and take credit for the Jags success this year. His resume would read:
2012 - 2016
Company: Jacksonville Jaguars
Position: Head Coach
Accomplishments: Assembled the Jaguars team that won the 2017 AFC South Division Title
Reason for Leaving: Terminated 2016 Week 15
Pull a Jeff Fisher lol
(01-20-2018, 02:16 PM)jagherd Wrote: [ -> ]Welp.
Marvin Lewis is on for a new two years with Cincy after they won the last couple meaningless games (for them) against teams that were in playoff contention (Lions, Ravens).
Unbelievable.
As long as Marvin Lewis is the HC and Dalton the QB,, the Bengals will never get anywhere except toil in mediocrity. They've both shown their "meddle" to absolutely fail in the playoffs, primetime, big time games,, etc.
Lewis has been there for 15 freaking years. He's gone 0-7 in the playoffs,, while having one of the best rosters in the NFL for many of those 7 seasons.
RIDICULOUS.
The rest of the AFC says: "Thank You Mike Brown!"
Idiots! Bungles!
The Bengals can do no better than Lewis, and Lewis can do no better than the Bengals. At this point, I'd be surprised if he didn't finish out his career there.