http://fortune.com/2017/12/18/video-navy-pilots-ufo/
The 2nd video that shows the raw air force footage is crazy. I've always semi-believed there's other intelligent life out there but that's some pretty damn convincing evidence there that I'd be curious to hear anyone argue against.
We have lots of military guys here, anyone else seen or heard of stuff like this?
We are not alone in the universe. I've believed that for years. The Truth Is Out There
Most people don't understand the utter vastness of space. A beam of light, which travels at a little over 186,000 miles
per second , takes about 4 years to span the distance to Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to our solar system. In perspective to the size of the known universe, that's roughly equal to opening your front door and standing on the threshold. This 4 minute video puts the size and complexity of the universe into context.
Link
With that being said (and hopefully viewed), it is my sincerest belief that if an alien civilization found some means to travel these distances in a faster way, and somehow found this speck of dust we call Earth in a seemingly limitless expanse, they would not be satisfied with merely playing peekaboo. We are not being 'visited'. The truth is out there and it is a yet-to-be explained Earth-borne phenomenon.
(12-28-2017, 11:29 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Most people don't understand the utter vastness of space. A beam of light, which travels at a little over 186,000 miles per second , takes about 4 years to span the distance to Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to our solar system. In perspective to the size of the known universe, that's roughly equal to opening your front door and standing on the threshold. This 4 minute video puts the size and complexity of the universe into context. Link
With that being said (and hopefully viewed), it is my sincerest belief that if an alien civilization found some means to travel these distances in a faster way, and somehow found this speck of dust we call Earth in a seemingly limitless expanse, they would not be satisfied with merely playing peekaboo. We are not being 'visited'. The truth is out there and it is a yet-to-be explained Earth-borne phenomenon.
You have to wonder, though, if a society so advanced to be able to get here might have protocols for contact with underdeveloped intelligence. I mean even our Sci-Fi media has the idea bouncing around that you don't just go land on a planet and hang out with a species that isn't close to your technological capabilities. Who's to say they aren't following similar rules?
You also can entertain the idea of interdimensional beings that we just simply can't see or are so far different from what we perceive as "life". We could be way wrong for what "life" is outside of our own planet.
(12-29-2017, 12:22 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (12-28-2017, 11:29 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Most people don't understand the utter vastness of space. A beam of light, which travels at a little over 186,000 miles per second , takes about 4 years to span the distance to Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to our solar system. In perspective to the size of the known universe, that's roughly equal to opening your front door and standing on the threshold. This 4 minute video puts the size and complexity of the universe into context. Link
With that being said (and hopefully viewed), it is my sincerest belief that if an alien civilization found some means to travel these distances in a faster way, and somehow found this speck of dust we call Earth in a seemingly limitless expanse, they would not be satisfied with merely playing peekaboo. We are not being 'visited'. The truth is out there and it is a yet-to-be explained Earth-borne phenomenon.
You have to wonder, though, if a society so advanced to be able to get here might have protocols for contact with underdeveloped intelligence. I mean even our Sci-Fi media has the idea bouncing around that you don't just go land on a planet and hang out with a species that isn't close to your technological capabilities. Who's to say they aren't following similar rules?
You also can entertain the idea of interdimensional beings that we just simply can't see or are so far different from what we perceive as "life". We could be way wrong for what "life" is outside of our own planet.
Yeah... I doubt they're scared of us, so I'm sure they would do it in a way that wouldn't destroy our civilization much like scientist try not to disrupt ecosystems on earth.
If those are the videos they released, then they undoubtedly have far better videos they wont show us.
(12-28-2017, 11:29 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Most people don't understand the utter vastness of space. A beam of light, which travels at a little over 186,000 miles per second , takes about 4 years to span the distance to Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to our solar system. In perspective to the size of the known universe, that's roughly equal to opening your front door and standing on the threshold. This 4 minute video puts the size and complexity of the universe into context.
With that being said (and hopefully viewed), it is my sincerest belief that if an alien civilization found some means to travel these distances in a faster way, and somehow found this speck of dust we call Earth in a seemingly limitless expanse, they would not be satisfied with merely playing peekaboo. We are not being 'visited'. The truth is out there and it is a yet-to-be explained Earth-borne phenomenon.
I don't think anyone really grasps it on anything but a purely academic level. Trying to really understand the distances on an intergalactic scale is like trying to understand the distances at the other end of the spectrum, the Planck length or even just at a quantum scale. Our brains aren't built to conceptualize those kinds of extremes.
(12-29-2017, 11:14 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-28-2017, 11:29 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Most people don't understand the utter vastness of space. A beam of light, which travels at a little over 186,000 miles per second , takes about 4 years to span the distance to Proxima Centauri, the nearest star to our solar system. In perspective to the size of the known universe, that's roughly equal to opening your front door and standing on the threshold. This 4 minute video puts the size and complexity of the universe into context.
With that being said (and hopefully viewed), it is my sincerest belief that if an alien civilization found some means to travel these distances in a faster way, and somehow found this speck of dust we call Earth in a seemingly limitless expanse, they would not be satisfied with merely playing peekaboo. We are not being 'visited'. The truth is out there and it is a yet-to-be explained Earth-borne phenomenon.
I don't think anyone really grasps it on anything but a purely academic level. Trying to really understand the distances on an intergalactic scale is like trying to understand the distances at the other end of the spectrum, the Planck length or even just at a quantum scale. Our brains aren't built to conceptualize those kinds of extremes.
I was watching a documentary about quantum physics, and they discussed how one's current reality affects one's ability to comprehend the incomprehensible. When Columbus moored his ship in New World harbors, the natives had never seen anything remotely like them, so it took time before they actually saw them. Only the village shamans, who spent their lives in metaphysical pursuits and had the ability to "think outside the box", were able to comprehend and physically see the strange vessels.
Aliens could be amongst us right now, but in a form we cannot comprehend.
(12-30-2017, 12:36 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-30-2017, 12:05 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]I was watching a documentary about quantum physics, and they discussed how one's current reality affects one's ability to comprehend the incomprehensible. When Columbus moored his ship in New World harbors, the natives had never seen anything remotely like them, so it took time before they actually saw them. Only the village shamans, who spent their lives in metaphysical pursuits and had the ability to "think outside the box", were able to comprehend and physically see the strange vessels.
Aliens could be amongst us right now, but in a form we cannot comprehend.
That makes no sense.
Kids see boats for the first time too, and they don't have a problem comprehending them.
(12-30-2017, 01:47 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (12-30-2017, 12:36 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]That makes no sense.
Kids see boats for the first time too, and they don't have a problem comprehending them.
Actually, they addressed the gradual perceptual development of babies, which works the same way.
Kids see toy boats, boats on TV, cars and other motorized vehicles as soon as they can open their eyes. It's about the repetition, eventually the natives saw the boats, too.
(12-30-2017, 12:36 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-30-2017, 12:05 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]I was watching a documentary about quantum physics, and they discussed how one's current reality affects one's ability to comprehend the incomprehensible. When Columbus moored his ship in New World harbors, the natives had never seen anything remotely like them, so it took time before they actually saw them. Only the village shamans, who spent their lives in metaphysical pursuits and had the ability to "think outside the box", were able to comprehend and physically see the strange vessels.
Aliens could be amongst us right now, but in a form we cannot comprehend.
That makes no sense.
You wouldn't make much of a shaman, would you?
First, you have to realize just how big the universe is. Take all the grains of sand on the beach. Now consider your chances of finding a specific grain of sand -- without knowing which grain of sand you're looking for. You could spend years, decades, even centuries just looking in the wrong area.
Then you have to realize that on the off chance some alien civilization discovered earth--that our government has been able to keep it quiet. And not just our government, but potentially other governments as well. Discovery of Alien life would probably propel a nation up in the international standings. And it could destabilize governments who have been hiding that information. I mean alien life forms have just as much the chances of landing in the United States as they do... anywhere else in the world. Iraq. Iran. North Korea. Pakistan. China. India. Anywhere in Europe, including Russia and anywhere in Africa. So this wouldn't just require a national conspiracy, but an international conspiracy.
Even then, there's always the risk some alien life form crashes in the middle of a city. Accidents happen. And even if there were rules regarding contact with less technologically advances civilizations, you'd always have people breaking those rules. Which is too big of a risk for a global conspiracy.
They'd also need some way of disusing themselves as humans OR actually look like us (which is an astronomically low probability itself)
And still you risk some rogue scientist from some nation deciding a Nobel Prize and putting his name in the history books is totally worth the risk to expose the already giant conspiracy.
It's not impossible that alien life lives among us. But it's astronomically low that a significantly technologically advanced alien race discovered our planet, was covered up by our world's governments, never exposed, could perfectly disguise themselves as humans, have a rule against visiting insignificantly technologically advanced civilizations that is adhered to at an absurd level, who can disguise themselves as humans, and never once had an accident.
(01-04-2018, 12:03 PM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote: [ -> ]First, you have to realize just how big the universe is. Take all the grains of sand on the beach. Now consider your chances of finding a specific grain of sand -- without knowing which grain of sand you're looking for. You could spend years, decades, even centuries just looking in the wrong area.
Then you have to realize that on the off chance some alien civilization discovered earth--that our government has been able to keep it quiet. And not just our government, but potentially other governments as well. Discovery of Alien life would probably propel a nation up in the international standings. And it could destabilize governments who have been hiding that information. I mean alien life forms have just as much the chances of landing in the United States as they do... anywhere else in the world. Iraq. Iran. North Korea. Pakistan. China. India. Anywhere in Europe, including Russia and anywhere in Africa. So this wouldn't just require a national conspiracy, but an international conspiracy.
Even then, there's always the risk some alien life form crashes in the middle of a city. Accidents happen. And even if there were rules regarding contact with less technologically advances civilizations, you'd always have people breaking those rules. Which is too big of a risk for a global conspiracy.
They'd also need some way of disusing themselves as humans OR actually look like us (which is an astronomically low probability itself)
And still you risk some rogue scientist from some nation deciding a Nobel Prize and putting his name in the history books is totally worth the risk to expose the already giant conspiracy.
It's not impossible that alien life lives among us. But it's astronomically low that a significantly technologically advanced alien race discovered our planet, was covered up by our world's governments, never exposed, could perfectly disguise themselves as humans, have a rule against visiting insignificantly technologically advanced civilizations that is adhered to at an absurd level, who can disguise themselves as humans, and never once had an accident.
You said what I meant a whole lot better.
(12-30-2017, 12:05 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Aliens could be amongst us right now, but in a form we cannot comprehend.
Could be??? Obviously you've never been in a Walmart!
There may be intelligent life out there, but this video isn't the proof. This just looks like something stuck on the lens. It seems more like they're pulling a prank than anything. They say there's a "whole fleet" but theres no indication of that in the video. This is apparently a "drone" that gives off zero heat and is flying in a manor so that it remains in the same relative position on the display as the aircraft turns. OR ... it's just a speck on the lens or some other boring logical reason. They probably cut the video before it fell off and disappeared.
(01-04-2018, 12:03 PM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote: [ -> ]I mean alien life forms have just as much the chances of landing in the United States as they do... anywhere else in the world. Iraq. Iran. North Korea. Pakistan. China. India. Anywhere in Europe, including Russia and anywhere in Africa.
I'm not so sure.
If you were highly advanced lifeforms, wouldn't you seek out the leaders or the strongest nations? If they were advanced, like we were, then I think you're right. But I don't think a civilization at our point would find other planets with lifeforms. I think that if a species is as developed as it takes to find lifeforms on other planets then you'd be advanced enough to find the strongest / smartest nations.
Just to play the devils advocate, everyone always assumes that all alien life is more intelligent than we are, what if we are the most intelligent species there is? As many planets and solar systems that are out there, I can't see us as being the only civilization, but why would all of them be more advanced than us? I would think there would also be some less advanced as well
(01-08-2018, 05:12 AM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ]Just to play the devils advocate, everyone always assumes that all alien life is more intelligent than we are, what if we are the most intelligent species there is? As many planets and solar systems that are out there, I can't see us as being the only civilization, but why would all of them be more advanced than us? I would think there would also be some less advanced as well
Well of course. There would definitely be some less developed life. In fact, most researchers believe our first official contact will be some sort of bacterial life.
That being said, look how much Humans have advanced in just 200 years. Even in 100 years we went from steam trains to space travel. Imagine if there were a life form that's been around just 500 or 1000 years longer than us? What about a million years longer?
(01-08-2018, 11:04 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2018, 05:12 AM)wrong_box Wrote: [ -> ]Just to play the devils advocate, everyone always assumes that all alien life is more intelligent than we are, what if we are the most intelligent species there is? As many planets and solar systems that are out there, I can't see us as being the only civilization, but why would all of them be more advanced than us? I would think there would also be some less advanced as well
Well of course. There would definitely be some less developed life. In fact, most researchers believe our first official contact will be some sort of bacterial life.
That being said, look how much Humans have advanced in just 200 years. Even in 100 years we went from steam trains to space travel. Imagine if there were a life form that's been around just 500 or 1000 years longer than us? What about a million years longer?
or they could be even closer like where we were in the 1800's or they could be like where we were at the time of the Egyptian Pharaohs, or like we will be in the year 3000...My point was that no one ever talks about finding a civilization as advanced as ours, they all seem to assume that any species we encounter will be more advanced than us...Imagine that we found a way to shoot a satellite way the [BLEEP] out there and found a civilization who are fairly close to our technological level but lag behind a few hundred or 10K or so years behind us...I wonder what we would do... I'm specifically talking about life as we know it, rather than microbial or bacterial life...