Jacksonville Jaguars Fan Forums

He's had a far better first season then Melvin Gordon so I'm not worried about him.

(12-31-2017, 08:50 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody runs without a line. Nobody.

I don't think this line is all that bad honestly. Not great, but about average.

(12-31-2017, 08:54 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-31-2017, 08:50 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody runs without a line. Nobody.

I don't think this line is all that bad honestly. Not great, but about average.

And that's why he had an average year.

the line is fine for the most part. Fournette has no vision.

(12-31-2017, 08:54 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]He's had a far better first season then Melvin Gordon so I'm not worried about him.

He's a pretty below average back though. Hasn't broken 4.0 ypc for an entire season yet. Just gets a lot of TDs.

Good receiver, though

This is an above average line. The play-calling hurts a lot. A middle draw on 95% of 1st downs is horribly predictable and ineffective.

(12-31-2017, 08:50 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody runs without a line. Nobody.

Great backs like AP and Fred Taylor could create something when it isnt there though.  Obviously Fournette isn't at their level.  Not many are.  But when you draft a RB top 5 that is what you are hoping for.

I'm still glad Fournette is on our team.  And if we can ever develop a consistent passing game, Fournette will become really dangerous.  I'm pretty confident we havent seen the best of him.

Fournette was not the problem today.

The passing game was a huge problem.

Not because the team would not attack downfield.

Because the team did not execute in downfield passes, especially everything to Westbrook.

(12-31-2017, 09:04 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette was not the problem today.

The passing game was a huge problem.

Not because the team would not attack downfield.

Because the team did not execute in downfield passes, especially everything to Westbrook.

I agree the dropped passes were killer.  BUT, I want to see PA on 1st down or a pass mixed in instead of a middle-draw on every first down in the 1st half of games.  Hackett has been horribly predictable lately in spite of calling some really good games in the middle of the season.

Since week 6 he can't find and hit the hole anymore. That injury against the Rams looked like he may have ruined his knee or ankle. He still looks like an average back but he wasn't drafted to be average. I'd give him an offseason to actually get 100% before calling him a bust. He's playing through issues obviously because he was getting held out every other week. Should have rested him today. This offensive line isn't doing anybody any favors either. I thought the pass protection was pretty solid outside of a couple where we got sacked.

He can't seem to find the open hole. He constantly runs right into the back of a linemen then falls down. When he hits the hole, he is fine, but hitting the hole is the issue. Most of the time there isn't even an attempt to cut.

(12-31-2017, 09:15 PM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]Since week 6 he can't find and hit the hole anymore. That injury against the Rams looked like he may have ruined his knee or ankle. He still looks like an average back but he wasn't drafted to be average. I'd give him an offseason to actually get 100% before calling him a bust. He's playing through issues obviously because he was getting held out every other week. Should have rested him today. This offensive line isn't doing anybody any favors either. I thought the pass protection was pretty solid outside of a couple where we got sacked.

1 season, 1k yards and some 10ish scores and he's a bust?

Standards.

(12-31-2017, 09:25 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-31-2017, 09:15 PM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]Since week 6 he can't find and hit the hole anymore. That injury against the Rams looked like he may have ruined his knee or ankle. He still looks like an average back but he wasn't drafted to be average. I'd give him an offseason to actually get 100% before calling him a bust. He's playing through issues obviously because he was getting held out every other week. Should have rested him today. This offensive line isn't doing anybody any favors either. I thought the pass protection was pretty solid outside of a couple where we got sacked.

1 season, 1k yards and some 10ish scores and he's a bust?

Standards.

Into an 8 man box in many instances.

(12-31-2017, 09:25 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-31-2017, 09:15 PM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]Since week 6 he can't find and hit the hole anymore. That injury against the Rams looked like he may have ruined his knee or ankle. He still looks like an average back but he wasn't drafted to be average. I'd give him an offseason to actually get 100% before calling him a bust. He's playing through issues obviously because he was getting held out every other week. Should have rested him today. This offensive line isn't doing anybody any favors either. I thought the pass protection was pretty solid outside of a couple where we got sacked.

1 season, 1k yards and some 10ish scores and he's a bust?

Standards.

Trent Richardson: 950 yards, 11 TD after one season

he's had the two long runs vs Rams and Steelers, but other than that, I can't recall many runs where I'm like 'wow, this guy is special'

(12-31-2017, 09:18 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]He can't seem to find the open hole. He constantly runs right into the back of a linemen then falls down. When he hits the hole, he is fine, but hitting the hole is the issue. Most of the time there isn't even an attempt to  cut.

Yep today he was spinning instead of just cutting to the left or right when there was a big hole outside. Henry does a good job of cutting outside if you collapse the middle, Fournette doesn't really ever try to cut it outside.

Whoever says this line is fine have not been watching. The Titans controlled the LOS today. There was literally no where to run most of the time. The line was getting blown up while Wells got abused . This line needs upgrades at the Tackle and Guard posiitons.

Should have tanked to draft saquon barkley

I expected the offense to be vanilla today because they had a chance to play Titans next week. You can’t show all your cards.

Fournette is not the problem. Bad reads, drops and poor execution were the problems today.

Fournette certainly needs to improve his vision, but the biggest problem is how Hackett uses him.

We had success with screens, but they decided to keep running up the middle and passes to the outside during blitzes.

(12-31-2017, 09:52 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Whoever says this line is fine have not been watching.  The Titans controlled the LOS today.  There was literally no where to run most of the time.  The line was getting blown up while Wells got abused .   This line needs upgrades at the Tackle and Guard posiitons.

Wells is hot garbage. He got abused all day.

Robinson will be back next week and healthier. Line will play better.