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Atleast Fowler didn't line up in the neutral zone last night. Silver linings man..

Quote:I believe the talent on the field is what counts. Coaching of course plays a roll but when the players are failing to make the basic football 101 plays that they have made their entire lives that is on them.

 

You  are free to judge whomever you like but to sit here and say it is all Bradleys fault is simply ingenious.

 

 

Quote:So talent is what counts, but coaching plays a roll. "Simply ingenious."

 

what hes saying is, if your job is to block then block and if your job is to tackle then tackle. if your job is to throw the ball 10 yards then throw it 10 yards without bouncing twice. you cant blame the HC if the players arent doing what they learned to do since peewee football. how many players did you see get a free run at BB last night? how many tackles missed or broken?

 that being said I see no other way to fix the jaguars situation then to make big changes in coaching. whether or not it happens now or in the off season is not my decision. 

Quote:Name who you think to be this talent and point out why and what games back up your claims. You the crazy one.

 

Not worth my time, I can see you're one of the crazy people that think everything about this team is a gigantic mess and that's ridiculous and for me to have to be the one to prove you wrong when you're the one that said it is out of this world. Not only that but when we have no coaching staff that just makes it even more crazy that you think it's all the talent. I can understand you wanting Bortles shipped out to Timbuktu immediately, but the whole team? Man come on, whatever.

To be clear on my position. I am indifferent to the idea of firing or retaining the head coach. It is a results business. Just don't think that when he is gone that suddenly these players are going to start executing the plays of the next coach any better. Basic football 101 plays are not being made on a consistent basis. Believe me when I tell you that the next coach will want these players to also make those plays. They have shown that they cannot. It will be the same no matter who is wearing the head coach hat.

Quote:Not worth my time, I can see you're one of the crazy people that think everything about this team is a gigantic mess and that's ridiculous and for me to have to be the one to prove you wrong when you're the one that said it is out of this world. Not only that but when we have no coaching staff that just makes it even more crazy that you think it's all the talent. I can understand you wanting Bortles shipped out to Timbuktu immediately, but the whole team? Man come on, whatever.

That is what I thought. It would take you two seconds to type out the couple of players that might start on another team. Name them.

Quote:what hes saying is, if your job is to block then block and if your job is to tackle then tackle. if your job is to throw the ball 10 yards then throw it 10 yards without bouncing twice. you cant blame the HC if the players arent doing what they learned to do since peewee football. how many players did you see get a free run at BB last night? how many tackles missed or broken?

 that being said I see no other way to fix the jaguars situation then to make big changes in coaching. whether or not it happens now or in the off season is not my decision.

I know exactly what he is saying we just disagree on whom should shoulder the bulk of the blame. And you are 100% right. Players block or tackle or throw or catch or run or not do any of that. Which points to lack of basic fundamentals. Which is why if you go back to 15 months ago you'll see posts by me saying I give everyone a pass until they have a new coach. It truly may be that there's only a handful of good players but for me everyone gets a second coaching staff

Quote:That is what I thought. It would take you two seconds to type out the couple of players that might start on another team. Name them.

 

 

I'd take quite a few people on both sides of the ball, but again, there's no use in even mentioning because I can tell from your attitude you'd just throw them all out so what's the point? At least spacecoast uses facts (even though he picks and chooses) when arguing and not just "oh prove me wrong or I'm automatically right" bs nonsense. It's cool tho.  :teehee:

Quote:I'd take quite a few people on both sides of the ball, but again, there's no use in even mentioning because I can tell from your attitude you'd just throw them all out so what's the point? At least spacecoast uses facts (even though he picks and chooses) when arguing and not just "oh prove me wrong or I'm automatically right" [BAD WORD REMOVED] nonsense. It's cool tho.  :teehee:

Do you believe this team will start winning games with zero talent change other than the head coach? Yes or no. Simple question.

Quote:Do you believe this team will start winning games with zero talent change other than the head coach? Yes or no. Simple question.

 

Nope. 

Quote:Nope. 

So you believe as I do, that the head coach has very little to do with on field play execution at the NFL level. Cool.

If the players have spoken, it's not a good look for them.  If you're a true professional at anything, you take pride in your work.  Even if you dislike or don't respect your boss, or coach in this instance, you still go out and do your job like you always have because of your own internal motivation and personal pride.  If you "give up" out of protest or some other reason, that says more about you than it does about your boss.  

 

This is as much on the players who had terrible performances as it is on the coaches.  Where is the player leadership on this team?  Where is the annoucement of a players only meeting that should have been called for after the San Diego game?  The coaches can't be watching over you every minute of every day making sure you're committed to being a pro and committed to getting better, that's on you.  What we have is a significant enough portion of the locker room, which probably includes the QB, just here collecting checks.  The next head coach needs to be a disciplinarian and not a players coach and we need to get some real vocal leaders on the roster as well because I don't see any right now.  I would say Telvin, Poz, Ngakoue and most of our WR corp could find starting jobs elsewhere in the league, but everyone else is just a guy (which is on Caldwell).  Ramsey is good but he needs to be humbled before he's going to be as great as he thinks he already is as he's already broadcast to the league how the opposing team should handle him or even be able to get rid of him altogether.  What a mess all the way around.

Quote:When an overwhelming number of posters are telling you that the team quit. Then they quit. ESPECIALLY since a large part of the disgruntled members are former super optimistic posters.

 

Answer the question or you are wrong.

Quote:To be clear on my position. I am indifferent to the idea of firing or retaining the head coach. It is a results business. Just don't think that when he is gone that suddenly these players are going to start executing the plays of the next coach any better. Basic football 101 plays are not being made on a consistent basis. Believe me when I tell you that the next coach will want these players to also make those plays. They have shown that they cannot. It will be the same no matter who is wearing the head coach hat.

Gus will be fired this season. That's clear.

 

So if we know he will be fired, why delay the inevitable?

Quote:Gus will be fired this season. That's clear.

 

So if we know he will be fired, why delay the inevitable?

As I said, I'm indifferent to when or if it is done. The team will not suddenly start winning if it is now IMO.

 

To the underlined, at this time it appears that Mr. Khan does not believe a mid season firing is going to help.

Quote:As I said, I'm indifferent to when or if it is done. The team will not suddenly start winning if it is now IMO.

 

To the underlined, at this time it appears that Mr. Khan does not believe a mid season firing is going to help.

The team also won't start winning if Gus stays.

 

Maybe the firing gives a spark to the team. Maybe it shows fans and players that losing isn't acceptable. These are unknowns but when you keep Gus, you already know the outcome.... a loss.

Quote:Answer the question or you are wrong.

Stop telling people what to do.

Quote:Stop telling people what to do.

 

I was just telling him he is wrong because there is video proof of that.

Quote:So you believe as I do, that the head coach has very little to do with on field play execution at the NFL level. Cool.

 

LOL I see what you did there. Smooth playa. 

Quote:I believe the talent on the field is what counts. Coaching of course plays a roll but when the players are failing to make the basic football 101 plays that they have made their entire lives that is on them.


You are free to judge whomever you like but to sit here and say it is all Bradleys fault is simply ingenious.

Players don't just suck like this. They don't just randomly forget how to play football. Are you telling me Hurns and ARob aren't good receivers? Are you telling me Chris Ivory just sucks after leading the AFC last year? Are you telling me the defense is scared to tackle and give effort in the NFL? Even Telvin gave up. This team has talent and enough to win more than 5 games.

I refuse to believe that the Tacks have more talent than us. colts beat them for [BLEEP] sake.