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(01-10-2018, 04:25 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2018, 09:38 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]In terms of stupidity, it is hard to top giving the terrorist country of Iran 150B in cold hard cash (on pallets) to fund their terrorism. Even you can agree with this, right? Assuming you do, the wall would be the second most stupid waste of money you have ever seen? Do you confirm?

That's like asking me to choose between Mike Mularkey and Gus Bradley. They're both unfathomably stupid decisions.

Surely you'd agree with me if I said that the money being used on that wet dream would do much more good as part of a broader infrastructure package or simply cut from the budget and returned to the American people? A digital and economic wall that levies significant civil and criminal penalties against those who knowingly or negligently house or employ those here illegally would cost less and be more effective. Despite what Uncle Donald wants you to believe, most illegal traffic across the border is civilian in nature, people trying to get out of there by getting into here. If you remove the incentive for them to come up here, they'll slow down (not stop, just slow), and Border Patrol will be able to focus more on stopping the actual drug runners instead of the people who are as much a threat to freedom as you or I.

Yea, my family immigrated here legally. If they want in this country, they follow the law and come in legally.

It's a slap in the face to every single immigrant who came here and followed the rule of law.

(01-26-2018, 11:35 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2018, 04:25 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]That's like asking me to choose between Mike Mularkey and Gus Bradley. They're both unfathomably stupid decisions.

Surely you'd agree with me if I said that the money being used on that wet dream would do much more good as part of a broader infrastructure package or simply cut from the budget and returned to the American people? A digital and economic wall that levies significant civil and criminal penalties against those who knowingly or negligently house or employ those here illegally would cost less and be more effective. Despite what Uncle Donald wants you to believe, most illegal traffic across the border is civilian in nature, people trying to get out of there by getting into here. If you remove the incentive for them to come up here, they'll slow down (not stop, just slow), and Border Patrol will be able to focus more on stopping the actual drug runners instead of the people who are as much a threat to freedom as you or I.

Yea, my family immigrated here legally. If they want in this country, they follow the law and come in legally.

It's a slap in the face to every single immigrant who came here and followed the rule of law.

I agree with this 110%. I consider illegals "line cutters". They are like those people at amusement parks who come in and try to cut their way to the front of the line, while everyone else waits patiently and does things the right way.

My wife is now a U.S. citizen. We can attest that the process is a significant investment of time and money.

(01-26-2018, 11:25 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Curious how people feel about the WH new proposal? 1.8M illegals offered a path to citizenship in 10-12 years, and getting rid of all of the other stuff in exchange for 25B for the wall?

This breaks a campaign promise from Trump, but I think everyone knows there needs to be some type of compromise. Personally, I am fine with a 10-12 year path for citizenship.

The Republicans can gamble and see if they can grab more seats in 2018, but that would be a big gamble. If Schumer turns down this deal, Trump needs to move forward with action against DACA in my opinion.

Are Trump supporters willing to overlook a broken campaign promise for a 25 billion dollar border wall?

Are benefits / entitlements included to those trying to get citizenship?

(01-26-2018, 12:45 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-26-2018, 11:25 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Curious how people feel about the WH new proposal? 1.8M illegals offered a path to citizenship in 10-12 years, and getting rid of all of the other stuff in exchange for 25B for the wall?

This breaks a campaign promise from Trump, but I think everyone knows there needs to be some type of compromise. Personally, I am fine with a 10-12 year path for citizenship.

The Republicans can gamble and see if they can grab more seats in 2018, but that would be a big gamble. If Schumer turns down this deal, Trump needs to move forward with action against DACA in my opinion.

Are Trump supporters willing to overlook a broken campaign promise for a 25 billion dollar border wall?

Are benefits / entitlements included to those trying to get citizenship?

Not sure. Good question, and one would assume yes.

If they are getting permanent residencies with the 'ability' to become citizens they are supposed to be off the dole for 5 years. But there really is no enforcement so I know that isn't true, even tho its a requirement.

Schumer said it isn't enough. I hope Trump pulls all offers off of the table and lets Chuck fry from his followers.

Who built The Great Wall? Maybe we can enlist their help at lower cost. Or we can just hire a single wizard to hold the line.....

(01-26-2018, 06:18 PM)Spots Wrote: [ -> ]Who built The Great Wall? Maybe we can enlist their help at lower cost. 

Lol .. that would be the ultimate irony; contracting the Wall construction to Chinese laborers.

(01-26-2018, 11:35 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-10-2018, 04:25 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]That's like asking me to choose between Mike Mularkey and Gus Bradley. They're both unfathomably stupid decisions.

Surely you'd agree with me if I said that the money being used on that wet dream would do much more good as part of a broader infrastructure package or simply cut from the budget and returned to the American people? A digital and economic wall that levies significant civil and criminal penalties against those who knowingly or negligently house or employ those here illegally would cost less and be more effective. Despite what Uncle Donald wants you to believe, most illegal traffic across the border is civilian in nature, people trying to get out of there by getting into here. If you remove the incentive for them to come up here, they'll slow down (not stop, just slow), and Border Patrol will be able to focus more on stopping the actual drug runners instead of the people who are as much a threat to freedom as you or I.

Yea, my family immigrated here legally. If they want in this country, they follow the law and come in legally.

It's a slap in the face to every single immigrant who came here and followed the rule of law.

I agree I'm fully against illegal immigration. Im a first born American to two immigrant parents that each spent 7-15 years following the laws to become legal citizens. That said I think building a physical wall is a waste of money. Unfortunately Trump campaigned on it so hard he has no choice but to build it. 

Turn off the magnets if you want to end illegal immigration. End public welfare and change the tax laws to a consumption based tax system. Make it easier to obtain work visas and reform the system to make immigration more streamlined legally.