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I had my doubts on promoting him based on the things you've said, but people react to things differently based on different situations.

There are a lot of things that happen behind the scenes that fans never know. He is obviously happier here than he was in Buffalo and it shows.

(01-19-2018, 05:14 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]I had my doubts on promoting him based on the things you've said, but people react to things differently based on different situations.

There are a lot of things that happen behind the scenes that fans never know. He is obviously happier here than he was in Buffalo and it shows.

He won with Orton and Manuel at QB. You'd be unhappy there too, any of us would.

According to Manish Mehta's article, Doug's agent negotiated the opt-out clause be put in because of then owner Ralph Wilson's health at the time and the strong possibility of an ownership change. The ownership change came to fruition. Doug had a 3 day period where he was able to opt-out. He went to new owners the Pegulas and tried to leverage that opt-out clause into a longer term commitment in him by them. They refused and so he took his guaranteed money and opted out. What was he supposed to think about his future in Buffalo at that point?

The mistake was on the Pegulas for not recognizing that he either could or would opt out, especially if they really didn't want him to do so. They could have extended him a year or two and guaranteed that opt out portion at least and it would have never happened and they wouldn't be tied to the hip with him for much longer if it didn't work out. He had leverage that had a very short expiration. He attempted to use it. Just like pretty much anyone else would have in that situation.

The rest of the bad mouthing about this and that is just sour grapes. If the opt-out doesn't happen and he continues to win in Buffalo, no one has a problem with anything inside the building.

(01-19-2018, 10:07 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]According to Manish Mehta's article, Doug's agent negotiated the opt-out clause be put in because of then owner Ralph Wilson's health at the time and the strong possibility of an ownership change.  The ownership change came to fruition.  Doug had a 3 day period where he was able to opt-out.  He went to new owners the Pegulas and tried to leverage that opt-out clause into a longer term commitment in him by them.  They refused and so he took his guaranteed money and opted out.  What was he supposed to think about his future in Buffalo at that point?  

The mistake was on the Pegulas for not recognizing that he either could or would opt out, especially if they really didn't want him to do so.  They could have extended him a year or two and guaranteed that opt out portion at least and it would have never happened and they wouldn't be tied to the hip with him for much longer if it didn't work out.  He had leverage that had a very short expiration.  He attempted to use it.  Just like pretty much anyone else would have in that situation.

The rest of the bad mouthing about this and that is just sour grapes.  If the opt-out doesn't happen and he continues to win in Buffalo, no one has a problem with anything inside the building.

And we would be looking at, potentially, another 3-13 season. Thanks for being stupid, Buffalo.

I'm an Uber driver down here. Took a bunch of obnoxious idiots to random places that whole week. First, letme say that I was not impressed with that fan base. Delusional is a great word to use for them. Second, marine was brought up almost every single ride. The hatred is real. Its also misguided. He felt the bills situation was bad enough to negotiate an out. He also felt it was such a bad situation that he needed to use that out clause. Future employment had little if anything to do with it. It was the bills organization that was the problem. It was the media and fanbase that was the problem.

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(01-18-2018, 10:48 PM)BuffaloRush Wrote: [ -> ]Hi everyone.  This is my first time posting here and as you probably can tell by my username I am a Buffalo Bills fan.  Please know that I'm not here to troll or stir up any stuff.   Also, I am pulling for the Jags to beat New England this week.  I am sick of Patriot fans and journalists and a loss to Jacksonville will really set them off.  

I did want to clear up a few things about Doug Marrone and Bills fans that I think some members here are missing.  It's true that Bills fans don't like Doug Marrone.  You have to understand that while Doug coached here in 2013 and 2014, from many media reports  he was known as a grumpy, short-fused, control freak who at time belittled people publicly.   He was not very popular around One Bills Drive and he treated the media very bad.  You can witness for yourself - at several press conferences, Doug is condescending when answering to any criticism.  He even tried to set up a private meeting with Tim Graham after a negative article in an attempt to keep him in line.  For his poor relations with the media, he continues to be mocked by the Buffalo media - though no one doubts his abilities as a coach.  

As a coach, I think many fans viewed him as good to average.  His biggest knock was his game management - specifically preferring to punt in situations late in the game.  Doug was extremely conservative and you can argue some of his decisions cost the team some wins in 2014.  

Eventually it’s rumored that he fell out of favor with Russ Brandon and Doug Whaley.  This led to rumored friction between Marrone and Whaley including the “St. Doug” story which was deliberately leaked to the press to make Marrone look bad.  So it appeared he was not in a great situation.  So I think this was a big factor in him opting out. 

But IMO the biggest reason that he quit however was because he thought he had the Jets coaching job.  Marrone grew up on Long Island and that was his dream job.  He coached there early in career and had connections.  However that job eventually fell through, and he had to go back to being a position coach in Jacksonville.

You have to understand that the way Marrone left wasn’t the most professional.  Even Doug has admitted that he would have done things differently.  He never bothered to communicate to players until after the fact.  Most found out over text message.  Also rather than being open, he refuses to speak about what happened.  

Honestly, many fans were glad Doug quit and were excited about Rex Ryan (little did we know).  But the way he left, rub some the wrong way and of course the media’s treatment of him probably stirred things up a bit as well.  

In the end, it seemed like resigning was the best for all parties.  While it took a few years, Doug ended up in a situation way better than the Jets and is coaching in an AFC Championship game.  The Bills realized the terrible mistake with Rex and Doug Whaley and found a coach and GM that took them to the playoffs in year 1 of a rebuild.  

So in the end - I’m glad to know that Doug has learned from his first stint and found success.  But know why Bills fans feel the way they do about it.  

Good luck on Sunday and beat the Patriots!

I do think Coughlin mentoring him has really helped here in Jacksonville.  I don't think he liked the situation there or how the team was being run.

Also, he was not fair to average there.  He was well above average, and what the Bills did before and after he was there shows that.

Also, how did Bills fans not know how good Rex Ryan would be?  He was the same exact way he was with the Jets. He lucked out a couple years but he's an awful head coach.

LOL @ the idea that any of us give two flips why some jaded bills fans think Maronne left.

Simply put.. he had the option in his contract, he chose to opt out, likely because he was being force fed EJ Manuel (when he had more success with Orton) or some nonsense where owners and GMs force HCs hands.
OR...
Maybe Buffalo is a terrible place to live.

Yassss! Kane 'be' letting em have it (In my NYC Chelsea boy lisp)

(01-19-2018, 12:04 AM)BuffaloRush Wrote: [ -> ]Not really - you were being a jerk no doubt.  But like I said, I didn't have to respond.

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Like I said, I understand. It was totally my fault.  I just came here to talk football because I do think the Jags have a chance to win.  Not to trash talk

Your whole fanbase should not forget that the organization allowed that clause to be in the contract to begin with.

They put it there, gave him the alternative, so for any number of reasons, it was a reasonable decision to exercise.....especially the "we pay you whether you work or not" aspect of things.  Just stupid.

If you take your original post as the whole story, it makes even more sense to get out with a GM who is torpedoing you in the media, and other conflict... before even contemplating the ownership issues.  

He made a decision each and every single one of your own fans would make, if they were in his shoes.

Wonder if Cleveland fans go on to the Patriots message board to clear up misconceptions about Browns fans and Belichick.

Marrone was difficult with the media. So what? Belichick is about as warm and friendly with the media as a door stop. Boston media puts up with it. What we’ve seen since Marrone took over here is a guy who has a good sense of humor, is very self deprecating, and pretty open with the press. I guess he learned something in Buffalo if the accounts are true. Whatever it is, he’s winning here, and he has transformed the culture of the team to do so. We are grateful for Buffalo accepting an opt out clause in his contract there. It has benefited this team greatly.

I don't care why he left, I'm just glad he's here.

I'm still laughing that I was able to infuriate a(nother) Bills fan so quickly/easily

I mean, we all shoulda learned 2 weeks ago that it isn't all THAT hard to get under their skin..... They are a fickle bunch.

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(01-19-2018, 04:02 PM)raptor6581 Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, we all shoulda learned 2 weeks ago that it isn't all THAT hard to get under their skin..... They are a fickle bunch.

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True story. Still fun though.

[BLEEP] --- no wonder why OJ freaking lost his mind.  He went from USC in LA and lived with these Zubaz people for 11 years.

So much for sharing a different a viewpoint of a non-Jaguars fan. Fortunately there are a few who it. The rest of the comments and reactions really show the ignorance of the fan base

(01-18-2018, 10:48 PM)BuffaloRush Wrote: [ -> ]... It's true that Bills fans don't like Doug Marrone.  You have to understand that while Doug coached here in 2013 and 2014, from many media reports  he was known as a grumpy, short-fused, control freak who at time belittled people publicly.   He was not very popular around One Bills Drive and he treated the media very bad.  

I guess he learned a few things.  

The local media here love him and the fans have embraced him as well. 

He comes off like an endearing "every-man" in his pressers - is very transparent about his coaching and experiences  in pressers - not condescending at all unless someone asks a really stupid question  -  and most folks in Jax (even those that didn't like the hire) have become fans.

(01-20-2018, 03:23 PM)BuffaloRush Wrote: [ -> ]So much for sharing a different a viewpoint of a non-Jaguars fan.  Fortunately there are a few who it.  The rest of the comments and reactions really show the ignorance of the fan base

What ignorance? Everything you told us isn't much news that we didn't hear at the initial hire. 

We know exactly what he is now, and really that's all that matters here. 

I appreciate your input, I really do. I just am surprised that you got so taken aback by fans of a different team giving you a hard time on their own board.

(01-20-2018, 03:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2018, 10:48 PM)BuffaloRush Wrote: [ -> ]... It's true that Bills fans don't like Doug Marrone.  You have to understand that while Doug coached here in 2013 and 2014, from many media reports  he was known as a grumpy, short-fused, control freak who at time belittled people publicly.   He was not very popular around One Bills Drive and he treated the media very bad.  

I guess he learned a few things.  

The local media here love him and the fans have embraced him as well. 

He comes off like an endearing "every-man" in his pressers - is very transparent about his coaching and experiences  in pressers - not condescending at all unless someone asks a really stupid question  -  and most folks in Jax (even those that didn't like the hire) have become fans.

Sure that makes sense and I don’t doubt it.  It sounds like he learned a lot from the first stint coaching which happens a lot with coaches.   That was one of my points - he was a different person in Buffalo.

Also despite what some think here, most in the fan base are not lamenting Marrone leaving.  Especially now considering the current coach took a team with less talent to the playoffs.  Just sharing some of the reasons why some of the fan base has issues with Marrone.