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Can we say Playcalling?

One biggest positive in the SB other than Bortles is Hurns finally looks healthy again. A healthy Hurns and ARob with Cole and Westbrook, this is the best WR corps in the league. People sleep on Hurns, he finally looks healthy

Honestly we could use upgrade at both Guards, back up LT and RT. Besides that MLB, both Safety, and TE.

Regarding the OC...

Read this entire thread.

https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status...1073731584

For those without twitter here are a few of Warren Sharpe's tweets regarding the Jags playcalling after being up 20-10 in the fourth.

"Every. Single. First. Down. Was. A. Run. From. Shotgun. You think the Patriots didn't figure that out? Look at the totals on those four 1st & 10 runs as the quarter progressed:
2 yds
1 yd
1 yd
-1 yd

Every. Single. Second. Down. Was. A. Long. Pass. Downfield. These are all 2nd and long situations with a 4Q lead. Goals are either: bleed clock or set up 3rd and manageable. Instead, look at the distance of these passes:
20 yds
20 yds
35 yds
17 yds

So now on 3rd and long, with a stopped clock, what do the Jaguars do? 100% pass, only 1 was complete. The punt following that pass was snapped w 6 seconds on play clock. The others were punted w stopped clock. No passes resulted in 1st down. *3 punts in 4Q with a lead*

The Jaguars had 6 snaps in the 4th quarter, with a moving clock & a lead (if you include the 1 punt). They NEVER ran the play clock to even 5 seconds, let alone inside 5 seconds. 4 of the 6 snaps were with 9-13 seconds on the play clock.

We've got it all here. Poor situational awareness (clock management). Highly predictable play calling. Inferior play calling. The Jags can say they were "playing to win" with the 2nd down deep shots on 100% of 2nd downs, but that is not how you "really" win in this situation."

Playcalling was bad at the end of both halfs. Got too conservative and played not to lose.

Having said that, I think the need is to get more quality linemen on both offense and defense. That way you can substitute more and keep the players fresh. Both lines seem to have gassed out in the 4th quarter.

(01-23-2018, 10:52 AM)Perkolater Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding the OC...

Read this entire thread.  

https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status...1073731584

For those without twitter here are a few of  Warren Sharpe's tweets regarding the Jags playcalling after being up 20-10 in the fourth.

"Every. Single. First. Down. Was. A. Run. From. Shotgun.  You think the Patriots didn't figure that out?  Look at the totals on those four 1st & 10 runs as the quarter progressed:
2 yds
1 yd
1 yd
-1 yd

Every. Single. Second. Down. Was. A. Long. Pass. Downfield.  These are all 2nd and long situations with a 4Q lead.  Goals are either: bleed clock or set up 3rd and manageable.  Instead, look at the distance of these passes:
20 yds
20 yds
35 yds
17 yds

So now on 3rd and long, with a stopped clock, what do the Jaguars do?  100% pass, only 1 was complete. The punt following that pass was snapped w 6 seconds on play clock. The others were punted w stopped clock. No passes resulted in 1st down. *3 punts in 4Q with a lead*

The Jaguars had 6 snaps in the 4th quarter, with a moving clock & a lead (if you include the 1 punt). They NEVER ran the play clock to even 5 seconds, let alone inside 5 seconds. 4 of the 6 snaps were with 9-13 seconds on the play clock.

We've got it all here.  Poor situational awareness (clock management).  Highly predictable play calling.  Inferior play calling.  The Jags can say they were "playing to win" with the 2nd down deep shots on 100% of 2nd downs, but that is not how you "really" win in this situation."

Wow that is just sad. Everyone knows Hackett called a crappy 2nd half but this explains just how bad it was.

Really sad too because with proper play calling, they could have potentially kept piling the points on, but Hackett got scared and basically had zero faith in his offense.

The guy should be fired.


Besides OC, the biggest holes I think the offense has is OL. We need players that can run-block a little better and open up some lanes. 

TE is also a big need. We need a reliable threat for Bortles. Lewis is good at blocking and is a good receiving threat, but he's too old and slow. 

I think LB could use an upgrade as well. Poz is getting old and can't keep up with the speedy players.

Draft a QB for the future.

Get rid of Nortman

(01-23-2018, 09:36 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]In my opinion we need  to improve RG, safety, and get the receivers on point. The coordinators did a fine job. Calling for their heads is ignorant. Want to know what the perennial teams have that we haven’t? Continuity at the coordinator positions. Playing in the same system allows you to play free and add wringles from day one of camp. Evidence of this was seen on the field this year. Imagine an additional year or two.

Continuity is fine and I agree we need it.  The coordinators may not need replaced but they sure need a major adjustment if they are going to stick around.  That play calling in the 2nd half was atrocious and predictable.  They did not call the 2nd half well at all and the end of the first half kneeling was unthinkable. They can't kneel with two timeouts and 55 seconds left. Talk about waiving a white flag against the best team of the last 15 plus years.  Lets hope they learn from it and are more aggressive when necessary because if not this team is going to have a problem.

(01-23-2018, 09:38 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]RG is the biggest hole... Or lack there of.

Then TE

Then DB/LB depth

As for coordinators, I disagree to an extent. I think they're both more than capable, I think they just need to have a much more agressive attitude when playing with a lead. Hackett can call some great plays, he did it the first half at NE. Just need to stop getting so conservative on both sides when we're ahead.  That's an attitude fix, not an ability issue

Hackett has been inconsistent as a coordinator all season.  A piece of me wonders if that's him or direction he's been given coupled with a lack of confidence in Bortles by someone in charge.  Either Marrone, Coughlin, Hackett or a combination of the three don't have enough confidence in Bortles to let him loose.

I would much prefer to keep the OC/DC than make a change and that's what I expect to happen.  More aggressive calling is what I should have included in my post because that is what was necessary.  On offense it was particularly hard to watch.  If I and others can pick up on tendencies while watching at home you can sure bet the Patriots figured it out twice as fast.

(01-23-2018, 06:32 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see how anyone can say coaching is a weakness when we went from 3-13 to within a play or two of the Super Bowl.   That's just crazy.  

I think we have numerous spots that could be upgraded, but I would definitely focus on pass catching TE and offensive line.

Just to be clear on my prior post regarding the coordinators:

 I'm not even saying they need to be replaced. I'm pointing out what they did wrong in several of our losses this season.  
(And I firmly believe the relenting from Hackett and the excessive zone by Wash at times are big problems.)
My ultimate hope is that Coughlin really earns his paycheck by getting in their ear about fixing this stuff and we can move forward with the same system - just using it more effectively.

(01-23-2018, 11:08 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2018, 06:32 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see how anyone can say coaching is a weakness when we went from 3-13 to within a play or two of the Super Bowl.   That's just crazy.  

I think we have numerous spots that could be upgraded, but I would definitely focus on pass catching TE and offensive line.

Just to be clear on my prior post regarding the coordinators:

 I'm not even saying they need to be replaced. I'm pointing out what they did wrong in several of our losses this season.  
(And I firmly believe the relenting from Hackett and the excessive zone by Wash at times are big problems.)
My ultimate hope is that Coughlin really earns his paycheck by getting in their ear about fixing this stuff and we can move forward with the same system - just using it more effectively.

I really don't understand playing zone against Brady. Also wish they had blitzed a little more often. Not too much but something to keep them off their toes.

Hindsight is always 20/20 though.

Can we stop with the "no faith in the offense/Bortles" narrative? It's ridiculous.

The offense went shot for shot Big Ben and was manhandling NE the first half. There's plenty of confidence. The staff got scared, simple as that.

(01-23-2018, 11:04 AM)tyus Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2018, 10:52 AM)Perkolater Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding the OC...

Read this entire thread.  

https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status...1073731584

For those without twitter here are a few of  Warren Sharpe's tweets regarding the Jags playcalling after being up 20-10 in the fourth.

"Every. Single. First. Down. Was. A. Run. From. Shotgun.  You think the Patriots didn't figure that out?  Look at the totals on those four 1st & 10 runs as the quarter progressed:
2 yds
1 yd
1 yd
-1 yd

Every. Single. Second. Down. Was. A. Long. Pass. Downfield.  These are all 2nd and long situations with a 4Q lead.  Goals are either: bleed clock or set up 3rd and manageable.  Instead, look at the distance of these passes:
20 yds
20 yds
35 yds
17 yds

So now on 3rd and long, with a stopped clock, what do the Jaguars do?  100% pass, only 1 was complete. The punt following that pass was snapped w 6 seconds on play clock. The others were punted w stopped clock. No passes resulted in 1st down. *3 punts in 4Q with a lead*

The Jaguars had 6 snaps in the 4th quarter, with a moving clock & a lead (if you include the 1 punt). They NEVER ran the play clock to even 5 seconds, let alone inside 5 seconds. 4 of the 6 snaps were with 9-13 seconds on the play clock.

We've got it all here.  Poor situational awareness (clock management).  Highly predictable play calling.  Inferior play calling.  The Jags can say they were "playing to win" with the 2nd down deep shots on 100% of 2nd downs, but that is not how you "really" win in this situation."

Wow that is just sad. Everyone knows Hackett called a crappy 2nd half but this explains just how bad it was.

Really sad too because with proper play calling, they could have potentially kept piling the points on, but Hackett got scared and basically had zero faith in his offense.

The guy should be fired.


Besides OC, the biggest holes I think the offense has is OL. We need players that can run-block a little better and open up some lanes. 

TE is also a big need. We need a reliable threat for Bortles. Lewis is good at blocking and is a good receiving threat, but he's too old and slow. 

I think LB could use an upgrade as well. Poz is getting old and can't keep up with the speedy players.

Draft a QB for the future.

Get rid of Nortman

I will be interested to see if they let Blair Brown take over and keep Poz as depth.

I don't necessarily agree that Hackett has to be fired but he has to change his philosophy and calls in certain situations.  Part of me fears that Marrone is part of the conservativeness too. He has to be at the end of the first half.  You don't kneel down in that scenario without it coming from the HC.

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(01-23-2018, 11:10 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2018, 11:08 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Just to be clear on my prior post regarding the coordinators:

 I'm not even saying they need to be replaced. I'm pointing out what they did wrong in several of our losses this season.  
(And I firmly believe the relenting from Hackett and the excessive zone by Wash at times are big problems.)
My ultimate hope is that Coughlin really earns his paycheck by getting in their ear about fixing this stuff and we can move forward with the same system - just using it more effectively.

I really don't understand playing zone against Brady. Also wish they had blitzed a little more often. Not too much but something to keep them off their toes.

Hindsight is always 20/20 though.

You have to throw in some zone against Brady I would think so you don't get too predictable for him.  You have to play some of both but they probably should have went away from it more when it wasn't working.

I agree hindsight is always 20/20. There is a lot for the staff and players to learn and grow from in this game.

Playing super conservative with a lead and not having confidence are two different things. They thought we could grind it out. Maybe we could have if Wash didn't get conservative too.

I'm sorry, I think you guys are completely off base on that thought. With how well Blake had just been playing the last 6 quarters, idk how you can say that.

(01-23-2018, 11:11 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Can we stop with the "no faith in the offense/Bortles" narrative? It's ridiculous.

The offense went shot for shot Big Ben and was manhandling NE the first half. There's plenty of confidence. The staff got scared, simple as that.

You may be right.  It may be something other than not trusting the QB to make tough throws on his side of the field. 

Whatever it is - they need to address it. 
Switching to that template of running up the gut on first down, trying to make up ground with a pass on second, followed by a desperate attempt on third is just not going to get it done unless you can run for 5 or 6 yards on half of those first downs. 

Hackett had success with that template of playcalling in two or three games this year.  He had failure with it in 5 or 6 games this year. 

Why they abandoned the two-back set that they could run and pass creatively from on Sunday is a mystery to me.

(01-23-2018, 11:10 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I really don't understand playing zone against Brady. Also wish they had blitzed a little more often. Not too much but something to keep them off their toes.

Hindsight is always 20/20 though.

I don't understand playing all the zone against Brady either.

Romo mentioned a few times that they should keep playing man coverage and force Brady to fit everything into tight windows. 

I didn't get it. The Jags kept playing zone. Brady kept dropping perfect dimes all over the field. 
Geez.

(01-23-2018, 12:57 AM)Counter-Strike Wrote: [ -> ]I think OL is the biggest issue.  the only person who is locked in is Linder.  Robinson has been good for 1 holding and 1 false start a game, i know he's a rookie, but its already a really tiring shtick of his, hopefully he cleans it up in the offseason, but thats no reason not to bring in competition. they showed that they can make a really clean pocket for bortles to feel comftorable in, but if they want the identity of a run team, there needs to be some serious overhaul.  Could also make the argument that we could use a better punter, Nortman has had plenty of wishy-washy games, but i think there are more important positions to attend to.

I have no problem with Robinson.  He’s been great for a rookie!  To find a franchise LT in the 2nd round is a win.

Biggest holes? You know it's a good sign when you really have to think about it.

Honestly, really hard to tell what the biggest holes are going to be in January. Most likely the TE spot due to the fact it hasn't been upgraded in about 6 years. Andrews would be a great pickup. Guard spots can be upgraded as well but I liked Omammeh.

a new OC with a new system will set this team back a whole season because it will take players that long to learn it. you gotta take advantage of this very small window and bringing in a whole new system would be a mistake

(01-23-2018, 12:32 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-22-2018, 11:53 PM)Aaron1988723 Wrote: [ -> ]well after a great season we had and I really think we overachieved with what we had. none of us thought we were going to go this far in the playoffs or win the AFC south. We had a great year and we can build on it for next season.  what do you guys think is our weakness on this team besides QB and WR assuming WR Allen Robinson resigns. I still think we need a elite pass rusher, not sure if Dante Fowler is the guy. we need a guy who can easily wreck havoc for us like a JJ Watt kinda player.  I also think we could upgrade on offensive line to give more opening holes for fournette.

I don't see a need on the DL. Barring injuries, pass rushers usually improve over time, and both Ngakoue and Fowler just finished their second year with clear improvement. JJ Watt was the defensive player of the year (twice?). Trying to find another DE like him is a pipe dream. Ngakoue isn't Watt, but he's very special in a different way with his forced fumbles.

TE is an obvious need. Even if Marcedes is back next year, he's getting near the end of his career.

RG is a need. Cann is a decent pass blocker and a poor run blocker, but he also can have bad games pass blocking. He was a liability in 2016, but did well this year for the most part. Of course the opponents were rarely defending the pass this year. Sunday, Bortles was sacked twice because Cann missed a block.

We may need to replace Poz.

Depth at CB is a critical need. In spite of Allen Robinson, overall the Jags were very lucky with injuries compared to most of the league.

I agree with you that we do not have a need on the DL.  We are legitimately two deep at DE, and have two serviceable backups at DT with Abry Jones (will not beat out Dareus) and Ankou.

We are also in agreement with TE and a MLB to replace Poz, though I'm interested to see what Brown could do there.  I would say G in general, not just RG.

Losing Colvin will hurt.  I liked what I saw with Myrick, though I'm unsure if I would completely trust him yet to be the nickel.

(01-23-2018, 01:32 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Run blocking up front.

QB that can make all the throws.

OC that will attack weaknesses relentlessly.

DC that will play aggressive from start to finish.

I agree with this so much, but my belief is that the HC dictates the style the OC and DC play...

(01-23-2018, 11:04 AM)tyus Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2018, 10:52 AM)Perkolater Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding the OC...

Read this entire thread.  

https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status...1073731584

For those without twitter here are a few of  Warren Sharpe's tweets regarding the Jags playcalling after being up 20-10 in the fourth.

"Every. Single. First. Down. Was. A. Run. From. Shotgun.  You think the Patriots didn't figure that out?  Look at the totals on those four 1st & 10 runs as the quarter progressed:
2 yds
1 yd
1 yd
-1 yd

Every. Single. Second. Down. Was. A. Long. Pass. Downfield.  These are all 2nd and long situations with a 4Q lead.  Goals are either: bleed clock or set up 3rd and manageable.  Instead, look at the distance of these passes:
20 yds
20 yds
35 yds
17 yds

So now on 3rd and long, with a stopped clock, what do the Jaguars do?  100% pass, only 1 was complete. The punt following that pass was snapped w 6 seconds on play clock. The others were punted w stopped clock. No passes resulted in 1st down. *3 punts in 4Q with a lead*

The Jaguars had 6 snaps in the 4th quarter, with a moving clock & a lead (if you include the 1 punt). They NEVER ran the play clock to even 5 seconds, let alone inside 5 seconds. 4 of the 6 snaps were with 9-13 seconds on the play clock.

We've got it all here.  Poor situational awareness (clock management).  Highly predictable play calling.  Inferior play calling.  The Jags can say they were "playing to win" with the 2nd down deep shots on 100% of 2nd downs, but that is not how you "really" win in this situation."

Wow that is just sad. Everyone knows Hackett called a crappy 2nd half but this explains just how bad it was.

Really sad too because with proper play calling, they could have potentially kept piling the points on, but Hackett got scared and basically had zero faith in his offense.

The guy should be fired.

He called a bad second half.

That is not grounds for termination.

We were 5th/6th in scoring.

Even taking away the defensive scores, we were still 11th.

His play calling gave us control of the game in the first half. 

But if he were nearly as bad all season, we wouldn't have gotten to where we were.

Not even close to grounds for termination...especially considering where we came from the year before.

The last thing this team needs-especially if Bortles is retained-is another OC implementing another system.