Here are two possible trade back scenarios. Each involves parting ways with pick #29 in order to pick up an additional early round selection.
For example:
Cleveland offers two picks (#33 Rd, 2 -Pick 1, and #65 Rd. 3 - Pick 1) for #29, or alternately they offer #35 (Rd. 2 - Pick 3) and #64 (Rd. 2 - Pick 32) for #29.
Our arsenal of picks (using the first scenario) would be:
2nd Rd.- 1 - Pick 33 - via Cleveland
2nd Rd. - 29 - Pick 61
3rd Rd. - 1 - Pick 65 - via Cleveland
3rd Rd. - 29 - Pick 93
4th Rd. - 29 - Pick 129
6th Rd. - 29 - Pick 203
7th Rd. - 12 - Pick 230
7th Rd. - 29 - Pick 247
The Browns have a slew of picks. They can use all of the them or they can utilize them in order to acquire the specific personnel they want. If they draft a QB with their top pick and they might draft Barkley or Bradley Chubb with their fourth.
They still need to address OT. If they trade into the bottom of round one with us they may snag a OT or a top OG.
If we get the top pick of round two we can entertain additional trade back offers or we will have had all night to search out the absolute best player available at the top of round two over-night.
A second trade back option might be:
Jets have two second rounders and want to slide up to grab the #29 pick from us.
Jets might offer two picks (#37 and #72) for #29.
2nd Rd.- 5 - Pick 37 - via NY Jets
2nd Rd. - 29 - Pick 61
3rd Rd. - 8 - Pick 72 - via NY Jets
3rd Rd. - 29 - Pick 93
4th Rd. - 29 - Pick 129
6th Rd. - 29 - Pick 203
7th Rd. - 12 - Pick 230
7th Rd. - 29 - Pick 247
In either scenario, the Jaguars have an addition pick in the early stages of round two.
(03-03-2018, 08:36 PM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Here are two possible trade back scenarios. Each involves parting ways with pick #29 in order to pick up an additional early round selection.
For example:
Cleveland offers two picks (#33 Rd, 2 -Pick 1, and #65 Rd. 3 - Pick 1) for #29, or alternately they offer #35 (Rd. 2 - Pick 3) and #64 (Rd. 2 - Pick 32) for #29.
Our arsenal of picks (using the first scenario) would be:
2nd Rd.- 1 - Pick 33 - via Cleveland
2nd Rd. - 29 - Pick 61
3rd Rd. - 1 - Pick 65 - via Cleveland
3rd Rd. - 29 - Pick 93
4th Rd. - 29 - Pick 129
6th Rd. - 29 - Pick 203
7th Rd. - 12 - Pick 230
7th Rd. - 29 - Pick 247
The Browns have a slew of picks. They can use all of the them or they can utilize them in order to acquire the specific personnel they want. If they draft a QB with their top pick and they might draft Barkley or Bradley Chubb with their fourth.
They still need to address OT. If they trade into the bottom of round one with us they may snag a OT or a top OG.
If we get the top pick of round two we can entertain additional trade back offers or we will have had all night to search out the absolute best player available at the top of round two over-night.
A second trade back option might be:
Jets have two second rounders and want to slide up to grab the #29 pick from us.
Jets might offer two picks (#37 and #72) for #29.
2nd Rd.- 5 - Pick 37 - via NY Jets
2nd Rd. - 29 - Pick 61
3rd Rd. - 8 - Pick 72 - via NY Jets
3rd Rd. - 29 - Pick 93
4th Rd. - 29 - Pick 129
6th Rd. - 29 - Pick 203
7th Rd. - 12 - Pick 230
7th Rd. - 29 - Pick 247
In either scenario, the Jaguars have an addition pick in the early stages of round two.
In another thread, there's a mock where the Jaguars are getting two TEs. I can actually see that with a more traditional blocker and a move TE. A trade down like this just might make it possible. What if we could, for instance, come away with both Gesicki and Goedert?
(03-03-2018, 08:36 PM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Here are two possible trade back scenarios. Each involves parting ways with pick #29 in order to pick up an additional early round selection.
For example:
Cleveland offers two picks (#33 Rd, 2 -Pick 1, and #65 Rd. 3 - Pick 1) for #29, or alternately they offer #35 (Rd. 2 - Pick 3) and #64 (Rd. 2 - Pick 32) for #29.
Our arsenal of picks (using the first scenario) would be:
2nd Rd.- 1 - Pick 33 - via Cleveland
2nd Rd. - 29 - Pick 61
3rd Rd. - 1 - Pick 65 - via Cleveland
3rd Rd. - 29 - Pick 93
4th Rd. - 29 - Pick 129
6th Rd. - 29 - Pick 203
7th Rd. - 12 - Pick 230
7th Rd. - 29 - Pick 247
The Browns have a slew of picks. They can use all of the them or they can utilize them in order to acquire the specific personnel they want. If they draft a QB with their top pick and they might draft Barkley or Bradley Chubb with their fourth.
They still need to address OT. If they trade into the bottom of round one with us they may snag a OT or a top OG.
If we get the top pick of round two we can entertain additional trade back offers or we will have had all night to search out the absolute best player available at the top of round two over-night.
A second trade back option might be:
Jets have two second rounders and want to slide up to grab the #29 pick from us.
Jets might offer two picks (#37 and #72) for #29.
2nd Rd.- 5 - Pick 37 - via NY Jets
2nd Rd. - 29 - Pick 61
3rd Rd. - 8 - Pick 72 - via NY Jets
3rd Rd. - 29 - Pick 93
4th Rd. - 29 - Pick 129
6th Rd. - 29 - Pick 203
7th Rd. - 12 - Pick 230
7th Rd. - 29 - Pick 247
In either scenario, the Jaguars have an addition pick in the early stages of round two.
I sure hope the Jaguars are given an opportunity like this. There is very little difference between the top 3 or 4 tight ends and the same can be said for interior linemen. To move back just a few spots would be well worth it. The only way I could see them passing on an offer like this would be if a quarterback they really like is still on the board at 29.
Trading back means you get more trash players because you went backwards. Pass.
Caldwell doesn’t like to trade back with top picks but he does trade up. I wouldn’t be surprised to see us move up for someone we like. I remember last year Caldwell saying it would be tough for late round picks to make the roster. The same may hold true this year. Package them up to move up a few slots.
To be fair knarnn he's never been in this position before so it's kind of an unknown
(03-04-2018, 12:05 AM)ColoJag Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair knarnn he's never been in this position before so it's kind of an unknown
He’s never been in a position to draft late but considering his entire body of work (later rounds included) I think he’s traded back a grand total of once his entire time here in Jacksonville. I keep going back to those comments last year. It’s going to be hard for late round guys to make the roster. I honestly could see us going into the draft with 7 picks and leaving the draft with 4 to 5 guys. They won’t trade back but a trade up is entirely possible. We are in win now mode.
(03-03-2018, 08:36 PM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Here are two possible trade back scenarios. Each involves parting ways with pick #29 in order to pick up an additional early round selection.
For example:
Cleveland offers two picks (#33 Rd, 2 -Pick 1, and #65 Rd. 3 - Pick 1) for #29, or alternately they offer #35 (Rd. 2 - Pick 3) and #64 (Rd. 2 - Pick 32) for #29.
Our arsenal of picks (using the first scenario) would be:
2nd Rd.- 1 - Pick 33 - via Cleveland
2nd Rd. - 29 - Pick 61
3rd Rd. - 1 - Pick 65 - via Cleveland
3rd Rd. - 29 - Pick 93
4th Rd. - 29 - Pick 129
6th Rd. - 29 - Pick 203
7th Rd. - 12 - Pick 230
7th Rd. - 29 - Pick 247
The Browns have a slew of picks. They can use all of the them or they can utilize them in order to acquire the specific personnel they want. If they draft a QB with their top pick and they might draft Barkley or Bradley Chubb with their fourth.
They still need to address OT. If they trade into the bottom of round one with us they may snag a OT or a top OG.
If we get the top pick of round two we can entertain additional trade back offers or we will have had all night to search out the absolute best player available at the top of round two over-night.
A second trade back option might be:
Jets have two second rounders and want to slide up to grab the #29 pick from us.
Jets might offer two picks (#37 and #72) for #29.
2nd Rd.- 5 - Pick 37 - via NY Jets
2nd Rd. - 29 - Pick 61
3rd Rd. - 8 - Pick 72 - via NY Jets
3rd Rd. - 29 - Pick 93
4th Rd. - 29 - Pick 129
6th Rd. - 29 - Pick 203
7th Rd. - 12 - Pick 230
7th Rd. - 29 - Pick 247
In either scenario, the Jaguars have an addition pick in the early stages of round two.
I'd be fine with either one of those scenarios. In fact, I hope that's what happens.
(03-04-2018, 12:00 AM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Trading back means you get more trash players because you went backwards. Pass.
You really don't understand how the draft works. The Patriots have won multiple Superbowls and they trade back almost every year.
(03-04-2018, 12:04 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Caldwell doesn’t like to trade back with top picks but he does trade up. I wouldn’t be surprised to see us move up for someone we like. I remember last year Caldwell saying it would be tough for late round picks to make the roster. The same may hold true this year. Package them up to move up a few slots.
We'd have to trade
way up for a QB. There is no other position we are targeting that is worth trading up for.
To trade back slightly is NOT going to negatively impact the Jaguars, but there has to be a player either the Browns or Jets really want and don't mind using their 'extra' pick to get.
I would NOT plan on trading back, but I would jump on either trade right away because there are more than a couple players I really like in this draft. They happen to be graded as such we could drop back some.
Trading back from the late first to the early second nets you a fourth-round pick.
If the Jaguars like a QB at the end of one, stay put and get the fifth-year option. If they like a guy at another position and someone wants to jump up for a QB, by all means.
(03-04-2018, 01:44 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-04-2018, 12:00 AM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Trading back means you get more trash players because you went backwards. Pass.
You really don't understand how the draft works. The Patriots have won multiple Superbowls and they trade back almost every year.
They are in that position to get quantity lower ranked players because they have an elite qb to make up for other avg players on the roster. So if the Browns keep trading back theyll never get anywhere. How did trading back and not drafting Wentz work out just to get additional picks and a subpar talent qb in kizer. You don't know how the draft works in building a winner. So, when you are in the playground as a kid and you're a captain, you're going to trade down to get more avg players vs the best player. Dumb.
(03-04-2018, 04:10 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Trading back from the late first to the early second nets you a fourth-round pick.
If the Jaguars like a QB at the end of one, stay put and get the fifth-year option. If they like a guy at another position and someone wants to jump up for a QB, by all means.
I think the idea behind trading down was to net a third round pick for giving up the first round pick. Moving out of #29 to the second round gives the other team a higher pick. If they want it, they can give up a third for our trouble. A fourth is not worth the trouble.
(03-04-2018, 04:10 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Trading back from the late first to the early second nets you a fourth-round pick.
If the Jaguars like a QB at the end of one, stay put and get the fifth-year option. If they like a guy at another position and someone wants to jump up for a QB, by all means.
I am wary of trading back for myriad reasons, but your closing line here is sage advice.
The odds of a team obtaining a starter, much less a quality starter, decrease by round under normal circumstances. But I don't see too many opportunities for a starting job to be had on our team, to be honest. More likely than not, whatever picks we are accumulating would be depth, and nothing more. Furthermore, I think there is always the chance of us getting too cute and missing out on a player we might want.
The QB is a classic example. If we have our eye on Mason Rudolph, for instance, thinking he would be there for us at the bottom of round one, and we trade down with Cleveland for the first pick in the 2nd round, we could easily lose out on him with New England drafting Brady's eventual replacement, or either Vikes Pats, or Eagles trading back. Of course, if Cleveland were to entertain moving up, they would probably be less inclined to trade the first pick on the 2nd round and more inclined to trade Houston's pick in the 2nd (obtained in the Osweiler deal). Cleveland would still likely want the power that comes with controlling the top pick in day 2 of the draft, because they will likely entertain trade deals from teams coveting a particular player. In that instance, or even more so the scenario with the Jets, the risk of losing Rudolph (or any other coveted guy) increases a great deal. At the end of the day, there is the chance we could trade back and get nothing but guys who provide little to no impact, and not get us over the hump.
There are potential good possibilities for trading back. There is the obvious advantage of accumulating an extra pick or two. I think a scenario that enables the Jaguars to land a quality TE and two quality OL would be a very good scenario. That is something that could happen with the trade down scenarios envisioned above in this thread. In an ideal trade back scenario, we would trade back multiple times, accumulating a ton of 3rd and 4th round picks, and replicate the great 1986 49ers draft, stocking an already contending team for another two Super Bowls. Given Caldwell's success in mid round picks like Linder, Telvin Smith, Yannick Ngakoue and Aaron Colvin, that is a possibility we can not discount. Another ideal scenario would be trading back to a team so desperate to acquire a player they would give up a first round pick next year to get him.
But generally, I would not want to risk missing out on a player that can help us now by trading down, especially when there appears to be players of value at our spot in the draft that fit positions of need.
Examining the bottom of the first round/top of the second round, the draft order currently looks like this:
29. Jaguars
30. Vikings
31. Patriots
32. Eagles
2nd round
33. Browns
34. Giants
35. Browns (from Houston)
36. Colts
37. N.Y. Jets
38. Bucs
39. Bears
40. Denver
41. Raiders
I think if the Jaguars are prioritizing adding a TE and they like one or more of the prospects, then trading back into the 2nd round could be a viable strategy.
At the bottom of the first round, the Vikings have Kyle Rudolph at the position, and he caught 57 passes last year. Behind them are the Pats, who have Gronk, who appears to be returning for another year, and the Eagles, who have Ertz.
At the top of the 2nd round, the Browns have picks 33 and 35, and they just took Njoku with one of their three first round picks last year, so it is doubtful they would spend another first round pick on one this year. The Giants spent their first round pick last year on TE Evan Engram. Again, I don't see them taking a TE this year. Now they might be a candidate to trade up for a QB if they decided to go Saquan Barkley 2nd overall, but I don't see them taking another TE so soon.
The Colts, having lost Dwayne Allen and Cody Fleener, are a possibility to take a TE at the top of the 2nd, so theoretically they are a threat to possibly trade up to get one, or to take one ahead of us if we traded down to the Jets pick. Immediately behind the Jets are the Bucs and Bears, who took TEs in the first and second rounds respectively last year, so it is unlikely either would spend a 2nd round pick on that position this year. Denver spent a 4th round pick on Jake Butt last year, who was carrying a first or second round grade prior to blowing out his knee in the bowl game. To me, the biggest threat to trade up above the Jets pick would be the Dolphins at pick 42.
The scenario gets a little more precarious when it comes to QB.
Behind us at the bottom of the first round, the Vikings appear to be ready to jettison all three of their QBs, and are likely to be huge players in the Cousins sweepstakes. But until it resolves that way, it's possible they may bring a guy like Keenum back, and draft a QB to groom to replace him as a fall back. The Pats are likely in the market for a QB to replace Brady long term.
At the top of the 2nd round, it is likely the Browns would have presumably addressed their QB position by this point, either through free agency or the draft, if not both. They would not be likely to draft a passer at this point. The possibility is strong the Giants will have addressed QB with the 2nd overall pick, but if they decide to go Barkley at two, you can bet they might be in the market for the long term replacement for Manning at this point, possibly trading up if Rudolph is their guy. Indy could go QB at this point if there is lingering uncertainty regarding Luck's shoulder. The Jets are presumably another contender for Cousins. Naturally, if they land him, he is not a threat to take a QB in the draft. If not, if the guy they want at the top of the first is gone, certainly they could make a play for a guy at the bottom of the first and top of the 2nd. Three of the next four teams (Bucs, Bears and Raiders) are presumably set at QB for another year. The one team in that group that isn't set at QB is Denver, who is another Cousins contender. But if they miss out on Cousins, they are in a decent position to land one of the top three QBs at #5 overall. Miami would be another threat to use this pick to take a QB after them.
Wide Receiver is another position that, due to the circumstances surrounding who is picking around us, could enable us to trade back, although there seems to be some greater uncertainty surrounding it. The last three teams behind us in the first round draft order could all possibly draft a WR in the first round. LaQuon Treadwell has been a bust for Minnesota so far, but Theilen has come on strong for the Vikings. Still, they could add a guy to that group. I'm guessing New England, if they stand pat, would likely go defense with their first round pick if they don't take Brady's replacement or deal back. They have Brandin Cooks who has speed galore and Chris Hogan, who has size and can get deep too. But Danny Amendola will be 33 next year, and former busts Kenny Britt and Phillip Dorsett added nothing. The champion Eagles have to re-sign Alshon Jeffrey, and if they can't, will have to add a guy to replace him. At the top of the second, Cleveland appears set at the position with recent first round pick Corey Coleman and former suspended player Josh Gordon, who seems to have replicated his pre suspension form. The Giants have OBJ. Indy? Certainly they could take someone to upgrade Donte Moncrief and supplement T.Y Hilton to give Luck (if he returns) some useful weapons, but I would think they need more help in the trenches. But the Jets, Broncos, bears and Raiders could all use WRs and could all conceivably trade up to get one they covet.
(03-04-2018, 10:05 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Examining the bottom of the first round/top of the second round, the draft order currently looks like this:
29. Jaguars
30. Vikings
31. Patriots
32. Eagles
2nd round
33. Browns
34. Giants
35. Browns (from Houston)
36. Colts
37. N.Y. Jets
38. Bucs
39. Bears
40. Denver
41. Raiders
I think if the Jaguars are prioritizing adding a TE and they like one or more of the prospects, then trading back into the 2nd round could be a viable strategy.
At the bottom of the first round, the Vikings have Kyle Rudolph at the position, and he caught 57 passes last year. Behind them are the Pats, who have Gronk, who appears to be returning for another year, and the Eagles, who have Ertz.
At the top of the 2nd round, the Browns have picks 33 and 35, and they just took Njoku with one of their three first round picks last year, so it is doubtful they would spend another first round pick on one this year. The Giants spent their first round pick last year on TE Even Engram. Again, I don't see them taking a TE this year. Now they might be a candidate to trade up for a QB if they decided to go Saquan Barkley 2nd overall, but I don't see them taking another TE so soon.
The Colts, having lost Dwayne Allen and Cody Fleener, are a possibility to take a TE at the top of the 2nd, so theoretically they are a threat to possibly trade up to get one, or to take one ahead of us if we traded down to the Jets pick. Immediately behind the Jets are the Bucs and Bears, who took TEs in the first and second rounds respectively last year, so it is unlikely either would spend a 2nd round pick on that position this year. Denver spent a 4th round pick on Jake Butt last year, who was carrying a first or second round grade prior to blowing out his knee in the bowl game. To me, the biggest threat to trade up above the Jets pick would be the Dolphins at pick 42.
The scenario gets a little more precarious when it comes to QB.
Behind us at the bottom of the first round, the Vikings appear to be ready to jettison all three of their QBs, and are likely to be huge players in the Cousins sweepstakes. But until it resolves that way, it's possible they may bring a guy like Keenum back, and draft a QB to groom to replace him as a fall back. The Pats are likely in the market for a QB to replace Brady long term.
At the top of the 2nd round, it is likely the Browns would have presumably addressed their QB position by this point, either through free agency or the draft, if not both. They would not be likely to draft a passer at this point. The possibility is strong the Giants will have addressed QB with the 2nd overall pick, but if they decide to go Barkley at two, you can bet they might be in the market for the long term replacement for Manning at this point, possibly trading up if Rudolph is their guy. Indy could go QB at this point if there is lingering uncertainty regarding Luck's shoulder. The Jets are presumably another contender for Cousins. Naturally, if they land him, he is not a threat to take a QB in the draft. If not, if the guy they want at the top of the first is gone, certainly they could make a play for a guy at the bottom of the first and top of the 2nd. Three of the next four teams (Bucs, Bears and Raiders) are presumably set at QB for another year. The one team in that group that isn't set at QB is Denver, who is another Cousins contender. But if they miss out on Cousins, they are in a decent position to land one of the top three QBs at #5 overall. Miami would be another threat to use this pick to take a QB after them.
Wide Receiver is another position that, due to the circumstances surrounding who is picking around us, could enable us to trade back, although there seems to be some greater uncertainty surrounding it. The last three teams behind us in the first round draft order could all possibly draft a WR in the first round. LaQuon Treadwell has been a bust for Minnesota so far, but Theilen has come on strong for the Vikings. Still, they could add a guy to that group. I'm guessing New England, if they stand pat, would likely go defense with their first round pick if they don't take Brady's replacement or deal back. They have Brandin Cooks who has speed galore and Chris Hogan, who has size and can get deep too. But Danny Amendola will be 33 next year, and former busts Kenny Britt and Phillip Dorsett added nothing. The champion Eagles have to re-sign Alshon Jeffrey, and if they can't, will have to add a guy to replace him. At the top of the second, Cleveland appears set at the position with recent first round pick Corey Coleman and former suspended player Josh Gordon, who seems to have replicated his pre suspension form. The Giants have OBJ. Indy? Certainly they could take someone to upgrade Donte Moncrief and supplement T.Y Hilton to give Luck (if he returns) some useful weapons, but I would think they need more help in the trenches. But the Jets, Broncos, bears and Raiders could all use WRs and could all conceivably trade up to get one they covet.
Thanks for breaking that down especially with respect to the TEs. It does look like we could totally trade back into the 40s and still get our guy at TE.
(03-04-2018, 11:04 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-04-2018, 10:05 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Examining the bottom of the first round/top of the second round, the draft order currently looks like this:
29. Jaguars
30. Vikings
31. Patriots
32. Eagles
2nd round
33. Browns
34. Giants
35. Browns (from Houston)
36. Colts
37. N.Y. Jets
38. Bucs
39. Bears
40. Denver
41. Raiders
I think if the Jaguars are prioritizing adding a TE and they like one or more of the prospects, then trading back into the 2nd round could be a viable strategy.
At the bottom of the first round, the Vikings have Kyle Rudolph at the position, and he caught 57 passes last year. Behind them are the Pats, who have Gronk, who appears to be returning for another year, and the Eagles, who have Ertz.
At the top of the 2nd round, the Browns have picks 33 and 35, and they just took Njoku with one of their three first round picks last year, so it is doubtful they would spend another first round pick on one this year. The Giants spent their first round pick last year on TE Even Engram. Again, I don't see them taking a TE this year. Now they might be a candidate to trade up for a QB if they decided to go Saquan Barkley 2nd overall, but I don't see them taking another TE so soon.
The Colts, having lost Dwayne Allen and Cody Fleener, are a possibility to take a TE at the top of the 2nd, so theoretically they are a threat to possibly trade up to get one, or to take one ahead of us if we traded down to the Jets pick. Immediately behind the Jets are the Bucs and Bears, who took TEs in the first and second rounds respectively last year, so it is unlikely either would spend a 2nd round pick on that position this year. Denver spent a 4th round pick on Jake Butt last year, who was carrying a first or second round grade prior to blowing out his knee in the bowl game. To me, the biggest threat to trade up above the Jets pick would be the Dolphins at pick 42.
The scenario gets a little more precarious when it comes to QB.
Behind us at the bottom of the first round, the Vikings appear to be ready to jettison all three of their QBs, and are likely to be huge players in the Cousins sweepstakes. But until it resolves that way, it's possible they may bring a guy like Keenum back, and draft a QB to groom to replace him as a fall back. The Pats are likely in the market for a QB to replace Brady long term.
At the top of the 2nd round, it is likely the Browns would have presumably addressed their QB position by this point, either through free agency or the draft, if not both. They would not be likely to draft a passer at this point. The possibility is strong the Giants will have addressed QB with the 2nd overall pick, but if they decide to go Barkley at two, you can bet they might be in the market for the long term replacement for Manning at this point, possibly trading up if Rudolph is their guy. Indy could go QB at this point if there is lingering uncertainty regarding Luck's shoulder. The Jets are presumably another contender for Cousins. Naturally, if they land him, he is not a threat to take a QB in the draft. If not, if the guy they want at the top of the first is gone, certainly they could make a play for a guy at the bottom of the first and top of the 2nd. Three of the next four teams (Bucs, Bears and Raiders) are presumably set at QB for another year. The one team in that group that isn't set at QB is Denver, who is another Cousins contender. But if they miss out on Cousins, they are in a decent position to land one of the top three QBs at #5 overall. Miami would be another threat to use this pick to take a QB after them.
Wide Receiver is another position that, due to the circumstances surrounding who is picking around us, could enable us to trade back, although there seems to be some greater uncertainty surrounding it. The last three teams behind us in the first round draft order could all possibly draft a WR in the first round. LaQuon Treadwell has been a bust for Minnesota so far, but Theilen has come on strong for the Vikings. Still, they could add a guy to that group. I'm guessing New England, if they stand pat, would likely go defense with their first round pick if they don't take Brady's replacement or deal back. They have Brandin Cooks who has speed galore and Chris Hogan, who has size and can get deep too. But Danny Amendola will be 33 next year, and former busts Kenny Britt and Phillip Dorsett added nothing. The champion Eagles have to re-sign Alshon Jeffrey, and if they can't, will have to add a guy to replace him. At the top of the second, Cleveland appears set at the position with recent first round pick Corey Coleman and former suspended player Josh Gordon, who seems to have replicated his pre suspension form. The Giants have OBJ. Indy? Certainly they could take someone to upgrade Donte Moncrief and supplement T.Y Hilton to give Luck (if he returns) some useful weapons, but I would think they need more help in the trenches. But the Jets, Broncos, bears and Raiders could all use WRs and could all conceivably trade up to get one they covet.
Thanks for breaking that down especially with respect to the TEs. It does look like we could totally trade back into the 40s and still get our guy at TE.
Something tells me the Browns have already addressed the quarterback position. My hunch is Sam Darnold is their guy. He did not participate in any Combine athletic activities.
Years back Andrew Luck ran his forty and shut down entirely. We learned after the draft, the reason he did not throw related to the fact that he had already negotiated his contract with Indianapolis. He had no reason to risk injury since he was 'already picked' at that point.
Maybe Darnold backed out because he too is in the process of negotiating his rookie deal?
The franchises with the top two picks are free to enter contract negotiations, I think, as soon as the draft order is finalized. I don't think settling a tie-breaker like Oakland and San Francisco just did would hinder either the Browns or Giants from getting down to brass tacks with their presumptive top two picks.
Rich Eisen was beating his desk the other day about Saquon Barkley. He was upset that the Giants were likely going to take Quenton Nelson to bolster their front five meaning they were likely NOT going to draft a QB at the top of the draft. Nelson did decline to run the forty at the last minute, but he did on-field drills.
Maybe the Giants don't have any plans? Maybe Tom Coughlin and the Giants are going to wing a trade up deal? I'm leaning in the direction they are negotiating with Nelson and his agent.
(03-04-2018, 01:14 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ] (03-04-2018, 12:05 AM)ColoJag Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair knarnn he's never been in this position before so it's kind of an unknown
He’s never been in a position to draft late but considering his entire body of work (later rounds included) I think he’s traded back a grand total of once his entire time here in Jacksonville. I keep going back to those comments last year. It’s going to be hard for late round guys to make the roster. I honestly could see us going into the draft with 7 picks and leaving the draft with 4 to 5 guys. They won’t trade back but a trade up is entirely possible. We are in win now mode.
Knarnn, until further notice I believe Tom Coughlin calls the shots on draft day with Shad Khan having the final say-so over the top pick if he desires. Caldwell assembles the matter and Tom can approve, disapprove, or completely alter our plans.
I guess my question would be who would want to trade up with us, and for whom?
If there are teams that somehow missed out on the first tier of QBs, I would imagine they might be interested in trading up if we were not interested in a guy like Rudolph.
But who would be the candidates?
Minnesota and New England? Not likely considering how close they are to us in the draft order. Perhaps if Minnesota missed out on Cousins and signed a temporary placeholder at QB then were in the market for a longer term solution, maybe New England might be interested, but that's a longshot.
At the top of the 2nd round...
Cleveland likely would not be interested (see above). Perhaps if the Giants took Barkley in round one, they might be interested in dealing up, but then there likely would not be any need for the reasons listed above. I think if Rudolph were on the board, and the Giants had an interest, maybe they'd have to jump ahead of New England.
The Colts likely would not deal up for three reasons. First, they likely would not be interested in a QB because they have Luck. Secondly, if Luck were a question mark, they are already in a position to take a QB at #3. Furthermore, even if they were interested in replacing Luck and did not do so at 3, it is unlikely TC 7 Caldwell would trade within the division.
The Jets would certainly be a candidate to trade up if they did not get the guy they wanted in FA or in round 1, and they certainly are not shy about making a move up, but I suspect they would be more inclined to try to move up in the first round to get their guy. If Cousins landed either in Cleveland or Denver, quite possibly they stay at 6 and get their guy, though as I type this, Cleveland is supposedly out of the Cousins competition according to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport. Basically it's a three way competition between Arizona, Minnesota, and the Jets.
Denver would seem to be in a good position to obtain a QB at 5 if they are not in the Cousin's competition. The candidates to trade up after that would be Miami (again) and Arizona if they don't land the free agency QB they want, but would the Jaguars be well served to deal down that far?
Other positions that could lead a team to trade up? Tough to say, but if PFW's takes are accurate. maybe CB could drive the trade down demand at the bottom of the first, top of the 2nd round.
From picks 25 (Tennessee) to 30 (Minnesota) there are a stretch of teams that are pretty well stocked at CB. But New England has a pretty major hole (for them) at the position. After Philadelphia, the Browns, Giants, Colts, Jets, Bucs, Bears and Raiders all have holes at CB. If a couple of guys fall, then perhaps some other teams at the bottom of the first will deal down for CB hungry teams looking to replicate the success of Jacksonville, New Orleans and Minnesota.
(03-05-2018, 12:33 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I guess my question would be who would want to trade up with us, and for whom?
If there are teams that somehow missed out on the first tier of QBs, I would imagine they might be interested in trading up if we were not interested in a guy like Rudolph.
But who would be the candidates?
Minnesota and New England? Not likely considering how close they are to us in the draft order. Perhaps if Minnesota missed out on Cousins and signed a temporary placeholder at QB then were in the market for a longer term solution, maybe New England might be interested, but that's a longshot.
At the top of the 2nd round...
Cleveland likely would not be interested (see above). Perhaps if the Giants took Barkley in round one, they might be interested in dealing up, but then there likely would not be any need for the reasons listed above. I think if Rudolph were on the board, and the Giants had an interest, maybe they'd have to jump ahead of New England.
The Colts likely would not deal up for three reasons. First, they likely would not be interested in a QB because they have Luck. Secondly, if Luck were a question mark, they are already in a position to take a QB at #3. Furthermore, even if they were interested in replacing Luck and did not do so at 3, it is unlikely TC 7 Caldwell would trade within the division.
The Jets would certainly be a candidate to trade up if they did not get the guy they wanted in FA or in round 1, and they certainly are not shy about making a move up, but I suspect they would be more inclined to try to move up in the first round to get their guy. If Cousins landed either in Cleveland or Denver, quite possibly they stay at 6 and get their guy, though as I type this, Cleveland is supposedly out of the Cousins competition according to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport. Basically it's a three way competition between Arizona, Minnesota, and the Jets.
Denver would seem to be in a good position to obtain a QB at 5 if they are not in the Cousin's competition. The candidates to trade up after that would be Miami (again) and Arizona if they don't land the free agency QB they want, but would the Jaguars be well served to deal down that far?
Other positions that could lead a team to trade up? Tough to say, but if PFW's takes are accurate. maybe CB could drive the trade down demand at the bottom of the first, top of the 2nd round.
From picks 25 (Tennessee) to 30 (Minnesota) there are a stretch of teams that are pretty well stocked at CB. But New England has a pretty major hole (for them) at the position. After Philadelphia, the Browns, Giants, Colts, Jets, Bucs, Bears and Raiders all have holes at CB. If a couple of guys fall, then perhaps some other teams at the bottom of the first will deal down for CB hungry teams looking to replicate the success of Jacksonville, New Orleans and Minnesota.
Impossible to tell until draft day. We have no clue which prospects may fall and draft day trades. We are used to not really paying attention after top 10, but quite often teams sneak back into the first round late and get a guy they want.
Last year Cleveland traded up from the first pick of the second round to get the 29th pick of Green Bay (which is our position at the moment) and gave up a 4th round pick (in addition to their second round pick of course) for that.
They took Njoku with that trade.
So anything can happen, Cleveland and Jets are the teams I see as most likely to do a trade up eventually as they have some ammo.
But it's too hard to predict at the moment, need to see how FA plays out,which players fall down the board and so on.