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In what way is that good? We don’t need a replacement for Lee if he’s the only one who leaves. ARob, Hurns, Westbrook, and Cole are more than adequate to contend. If ARob leaves then we can talk more about a WR at 29

(03-05-2018, 01:28 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]In what way is that good? We don’t need a replacement for Lee if he’s the only one who leaves. ARob, Hurns, Westbrook, and Cole are more than adequate to contend. If ARob leaves then we can talk more about a WR at 29

1.  I was talking overall, not just for us.

2.  The mock all but presupposes that ARob leaves.  At Chicago's pick, it states don't be surprised if the Bears sign two WRs in FA, including Allen Robinson.  In that case, WR at 29 makes sense.

(03-05-2018, 01:55 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

If ARob leaves I'm perfectly content taking the 3rd WR off the board. I'm wondering about that LSU guy tho. He blew away the combine. I also still like St. Brown.

As for the overall mock, I really don't see Fitzpatrick lasting until #11.

I think the combination of his Senior Bowl  week and combine pushes Chark into the first round, possibly as high as Green Bay or Baltimore.  If ARob leaves and Chark is still on the board, I would strongly consider him at 29.

Every year, guys you don't anticipate falling end up doing just that.

If teams see Fitzpatrick as a S instead of a CB, I could see him falling a bit.

Given how he ran, I don't see how Vea drops as far as he does in this mock.

(03-05-2018, 02:03 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2018, 01:55 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

If ARob leaves I'm perfectly content taking the 3rd WR off the board. I'm wondering about that LSU guy tho. He blew away the combine. I also still like St. Brown.

As for the overall mock, I really don't see Fitzpatrick lasting until #11.

I think the combination of his Senior Bowl  week and combine pushes Chark into the first round, possibly as high as Green Bay or Baltimore.  If ARob leaves and Chark is still on the board, I would strongly consider him at 29.

Every year, guys you don't anticipate falling end up doing just that.

If teams see Fitzpatrick as a S instead of a CB, I could see him falling a bit.

Given how he ran, I don't see how Vea drops as far as he does in this mock.

I'm thinking Vea had some kind of injury at the combine.

(03-05-2018, 02:10 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2018, 02:03 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I think the combination of his Senior Bowl  week and combine pushes Chark into the first round, possibly as high as Green Bay or Baltimore.  If ARob leaves and Chark is still on the board, I would strongly consider him at 29.

Every year, guys you don't anticipate falling end up doing just that.

If teams see Fitzpatrick as a S instead of a CB, I could see him falling a bit.

Given how he ran, I don't see how Vea drops as far as he does in this mock.

I'm thinking Vea had some kind of injury at the combine.

I didn't hear anything about that, but my attention was divided for most of the combine.

(03-05-2018, 02:24 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2018, 02:10 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm thinking Vea had some kind of injury at the combine.

I didn't hear anything about that, but my attention was divided for most of the combine.

He aggravated his hamstring during the 40, but it appears he continued to work out with the bad hammy.

Don't like it. Even if ARob leaves, WR is far from our #1 need.

(03-05-2018, 05:43 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Don't like it. Even if ARob leaves, WR is far from our #1 need.

I disagree. Having a guy at split-end who you know dominates is critical. The Jaguars pulled it off last year with their running game and the rookies, but that's not a position you want to take lightly. I feel it's the most dire need by far. We can get by with our OL presuming we at least re-sign Omameh, and a #1 WR will always take precedence over a TE. This team has spent years trying to replace Jimmy Smith and at times it wasn't pretty.  If we can get the 3rd or 4th WR off the board at #29, that's a tough one for to pass on.

If AROB leaves, there are 2 wide receivers they'd have to consider at pick 29- Cortland Sutton and James Washington. Both these guys have skill sets which make them capable of adequately replacing Robinson. Neither will have rookie seasons which will compare to Robinson during his peak year with the Jags, but it's also unlikely he comes close to matching that season 1 year removed from his injury.

I'm not as high on taking Moore or Clark in the 1st round. Moore will be an excellent slot receiver, but the Jags don't need that. Clark has one of the highest ceilings due to his size and speed, but he is also a major risk due to his mediocre college career.

If Sutton, Washington, Hurst and Hernandez are on the board at 29, they will have a very tough decision. Much will depend on who they take in free agency. Blake will need a go-to guy to replace AROB (I'm not in favor of letting him go), so my guess is that they pass on the offensive lineman in the first round and take either Hurst or Sutton. Either pick would be good for the team.

(03-05-2018, 02:03 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-05-2018, 01:55 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

If ARob leaves I'm perfectly content taking the 3rd WR off the board. I'm wondering about that LSU guy tho. He blew away the combine. I also still like St. Brown.

As for the overall mock, I really don't see Fitzpatrick lasting until #11.

I think the combination of his Senior Bowl  week and combine pushes Chark into the first round, possibly as high as Green Bay or Baltimore.  If ARob leaves and Chark is still on the board, I would strongly consider him at 29.

Every year, guys you don't anticipate falling end up doing just that.

If teams see Fitzpatrick as a S instead of a CB, I could see him falling a bit.

Given how he ran, I don't see how Vea drops as far as he does in this mock.

I am very high on D. J. Chark. I want the Jaguars to draft him, sure as a deep threat play-maker, but his hands are suspect. Rather than make thumbs out snags with his hands, Chark makes a lot of forearm cradle catches. 

Of course, the object of the forward pass is to complete the throw, but he's not a natural hands catcher. I saw a few double catches at the Combine. Michael Irvin even commented about one he saw during the gauntlet drill. 

For this I can't imagine he will be any higher than a mid second round pick.

Also, I mentioned in another post, Darnold declined to run and throw. This was a late decision. Years back, Andrew Luck ran a forty or two, but did NOT throw. We learned later that he had already been informed he was Indianapolis-bound and was negotiating with the the Colts.

The top two teams are allowed to negotiate the contracts of the first two draftees.

My hunch is Darnold to Cleveland and Quenton Nelson to the Giants.

What if the Colts draft QB?

(03-06-2018, 12:55 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]What if the Colts draft QB?

There is no way. They would lose a lot of leverage that way, they would have to trade Luck prior to taking Rosen or Darnold or Mayfield or whoever. I would imagine trading Luck might have a fairly significant impact on their cap as well. Fun to imagine what they would get for him though.

(03-06-2018, 01:09 AM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-06-2018, 12:55 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]What if the Colts draft QB?

There is no way. They would lose a lot of leverage that way, they would have to trade Luck prior to taking Rosen or Darnold or Mayfield or whoever. I would imagine trading Luck might have a fairly significant impact on their cap as well. Fun to imagine what they would get for him though.

I would think very little, because if they draft a QB anywhere in the first two rounds, it sends a further signal that they don't think Luck would be anywhere near the Luck he was at the top of his game.  At that point, it becomes a fire sale, as teams wait for him to get cut.  The Colts would have two very big salaries at QB, with Brissett having a big salary for a 3rd string QB if Luck were kept.

This draft places us in a situation we haven't been in for a long time.

Picking at the top is a fairly easy chore as far as whittling down the possible targets to a relatively small handful of players to talk about.  With a much less clear picture of who will be available to us, it almost becomes a debate of what position (not necessarily which player) we prefer.

I personally find myself not having a particular player I prefer this year.  Would I be ok with Lamar Jackson?  Probably.  But at the same time, I'd probably be just as (or even more) happy with a TE, OL, or WR with the first pick.

Choosing as late as we do... the possibilities will be much greater, and the night will be an extremely long one for us until our pick is in.

Barring, of course, any trade up - which I don't have an opinion on whether or not I think we'll do it.  I personally prefer more picks than fewer picks.

(03-06-2018, 03:04 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]This draft places us in a situation we haven't been in for a long time.

Picking at the top is a fairly easy chore as far as whittling down the possible targets to a relatively small handful of players to talk about.  With a much less clear picture of who will be available to us, it almost becomes a debate of what position (not necessarily which player) we prefer.

I personally find myself not having a particular player I prefer this year.  Would I be ok with Lamar Jackson?  Probably.  But at the same time, I'd probably be just as (or even more) happy with a TE, OL, or WR with the first pick.

Choosing as late as we do... the possibilities will be much greater, and the night will be an extremely long one for us until our pick is in.

Barring, of course, any trade up - which I don't have an opinion on whether or not I think we'll do it.  I personally prefer more picks than fewer picks.

First off, long time no read!  Welcome back.

I think given that we have pretty much filled all of the marquee positions with young talent to the extent we were 2:37 away from this past Super Bowl, there is a lot of depth at our positions of need, I am more inclined to deal down than I would be in years past, especially since we are so far down that there shouldn't be much, if any separation in talent between picks 29-40 or so as opposed to the typical drop off between players in the top 5 and the 2nd tier players.

I have a few players I prefer, but not necessarily in "pound the table" manner.  Maybe Hernandez, but that's about it.

(03-06-2018, 03:04 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]This draft places us in a situation we haven't been in for a long time.

Picking at the top is a fairly easy chore as far as whittling down the possible targets to a relatively small handful of players to talk about.  With a much less clear picture of who will be available to us, it almost becomes a debate of what position (not necessarily which player) we prefer.

I personally find myself not having a particular player I prefer this year.  Would I be ok with Lamar Jackson?  Probably.  But at the same time, I'd probably be just as (or even more) happy with a TE, OL, or WR with the first pick.

Choosing as late as we do... the possibilities will be much greater, and the night will be an extremely long one for us until our pick is in.

Barring, of course, any trade up - which I don't have an opinion on whether or not I think we'll do it.  I personally prefer more picks than fewer picks.

I'll most likely be asleep by the time the Jags pick lol First time in about 8 years.

Welcome back dude.

This one is better imo

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news...no-effect/

I love Goedert but I’ll be just as happy with any of Hurst, Gesicki, Andrews in Rd. 2. Really hoping Hernandez lasts to 29 at this point