(03-08-2018, 11:07 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]I mean nobody is going to want him, but Josh Mccown had a pretty good season last year. 67% , 2926 Yds, 18TD-9INT in 13 games with that atrocious offense. Was completely out of the norm for him and a career year at 38 y/o, but the Jags could do much worse (Henne or dare I say Gabbert) and get him for 1 yr on the deep discount.
I'd rather them draft one, but if they don't I wouldn't be upset with one year with McCown at backup.
Josh McCown would be a terrific backup.
He's a pretty good starter, and is more than capable of "holding down the fort" for a few game stretch if the main guy (BB) goes down.
I'd be for it.
(03-08-2018, 10:52 PM)Dakota Wrote: [ -> ]Something that has not been discussed here is the backup QB spot. I don't know if this past season where both superbowl teams played with backup QBs, but it shows just how important the position is. The Jags have been eerily quiet about the backup position, but probably have a plan.
Who would you like to see backing up Blake? A FA? A drafted player? I really don't know which way they are leaning.
They had better have a good plan though. This year is proof positive that the backup QB position is a very, very important position.
I would like to see them target a free agent like Teddy Bridgewater or Chase Daniel to replace Chad Henne immediately. And then in the draft at some point I would like to see them pick up a guy to carry as the third stringer or possibly push Teddy or Chase off the roster during training camp. Don't care if it's Jackson or Mayfield in RD1 if they manage to fall that far. Or if they target someone like Rudolph, Falk or Ferguson on day two or at any point throughout the draft process.
With bb5 pencilled in as the starter and solid options likely to be available late in the first im really looking forward to watching the QB carousel this year.
I reckon we grab a QB late on in fa but before the draft and I think it will be Sam Bradford
I think cousins goes to Minnesota and aj McCarron goes to the browns (before they draft a QB at 4)
The jets resign McCown and the broncos give keenum a glennon style deal to sit before the guys they draft
That leaves you with Bridgewater and Bradford in free agency if you actually want to push Bortles and I think teddy will want to go to Arizona or buffalo where he will have a shot at a starting job (probably arizona).
That leaves Bradford as your only QB that could compete with bortles as a starter and add something as a backup. Give him an incentive laden deal and use our draft picks to build a little more on offense. If bb5 doesnt build on next year its rookie QB time
(03-08-2018, 11:06 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2018, 10:57 PM)Dakota Wrote: [ -> ]Have both superbowl teams played with backup QBs in any other season other than this past season? I really don't know, but I highly doubt it.
I can't think of any offhand.
And not this past season either; Tom Brady was not a backup QB.
EDIT: Nor would Bortles have been had the refs ... or the Jags OC ... or the Jags DC didn't conspire to throe the game to the Pats.
That's right, my bad. I was thinking Eagles and Vikings.
(03-09-2018, 12:57 PM)jagherd Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2018, 11:07 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]I mean nobody is going to want him, but Josh Mccown had a pretty good season last year. 67% , 2926 Yds, 18TD-9INT in 13 games with that atrocious offense. Was completely out of the norm for him and a career year at 38 y/o, but the Jags could do much worse (Henne or dare I say Gabbert) and get him for 1 yr on the deep discount.
I'd rather them draft one, but if they don't I wouldn't be upset with one year with McCown at backup.
Josh McCown would be a terrific backup.
He's a pretty good starter, and is more than capable of "holding down the fort" for a few game stretch if the main guy (BB) goes down.
I'd be for it.
McCown would flat out outplay Bortles like he did last year, I don't think the team would risk that.
(03-09-2018, 02:53 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2018, 12:57 PM)jagherd Wrote: [ -> ]Josh McCown would be a terrific backup.
He's a pretty good starter, and is more than capable of "holding down the fort" for a few game stretch if the main guy (BB) goes down.
I'd be for it.
McCown would flat out outplay Bortles like he did last year, I don't think the team would risk that.
McCown is more likely to win the lottery than repeat what he did last year. He'll turn 39 before the season and really has never been that good before, save 1 or 2 other seasons out of 15
(03-09-2018, 11:37 AM)Dewboy01 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2018, 10:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Other than Cousins and Brees and possibly Chase Daniels, I don't see a FA QB that would be any threat to Bortles. Other than the two premier guys, (Cousins and Brees), this is a really weak FA class. A bunch of has beens, one year wonders, injury proned passers and guys who just never panned out.
Chase Daniel a threat to Bortles? A 31 year old QB who has never been anything but a back up? 2 starts in 8 years, 78 total passes in his career and an 81 QB rating - I don't think I'd have any confidence at all if he had to play any meaningful snaps. I'd rather have McCown or a rookie (Mason Rudolph, Lamar Jackson) then Chase Daniel.
fyi - I can't see us paying Teddy Bridgewater the $$ he's going to get after we extended Bortles....
I honestly think McCown is gonna retire. I didn't even count him as being in the running, because I don't believe he will be back. I definitely want a rookie as our #2. That was the point I was trying to make. I don't want an old veteran. I want someone who can be the future of the franchise. There is no FA QB worth the money they will demand in free agency. Draft a rookie on the first or second day and bring him in to be the heir to the starting QB job. As for Bridgewater, no way. He's coming off a major injury, he didn't fare that well when he was healthy and I have a feeling he is gonna be fragile, because his lower body and legs are so thin.
(03-09-2018, 03:16 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2018, 11:37 AM)Dewboy01 Wrote: [ -> ]Chase Daniel a threat to Bortles? A 31 year old QB who has never been anything but a back up? 2 starts in 8 years, 78 total passes in his career and an 81 QB rating - I don't think I'd have any confidence at all if he had to play any meaningful snaps. I'd rather have McCown or a rookie (Mason Rudolph, Lamar Jackson) then Chase Daniel.
fyi - I can't see us paying Teddy Bridgewater the $$ he's going to get after we extended Bortles....
I honestly think McCown is gonna retire. I didn't even count him as being in the running, because I don't believe he will be back. I definitely want a rookie as our #2. That was the point I was trying to make. I don't want an old veteran. I want someone who can be the future of the franchise. There is no FA QB worth the money they will demand in free agency. Draft a rookie on the first or second day and bring him in to be the heir to the starting QB job. As for Bridgewater, no way. He's coming off a major injury, he didn't fare that well when he was healthy and I have a feeling he is gonna be fragile, because his lower body and legs are so thin.
I think it’s a little disingenuous to say Teddy is “coming off a major injury”. He’s 2 full years removed from it and even played in a game last year
Campaigning for #AnybodyButHenne
(03-09-2018, 04:58 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2018, 03:49 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Campaigning for #AnybodyButHenne
Gabbert?
I'd take Gabbert over Henne if for nothing else how funny it would be
(03-09-2018, 04:59 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2018, 04:58 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Gabbert?
I'd take Gabbert over Henne if for nothing else how funny it would be
Agreed. But only if we can bring Leftwich back here to coach the QB's too.
(03-09-2018, 05:12 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2018, 04:59 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]I'd take Gabbert over Henne if for nothing else how funny it would be
Agreed. But only if we can bring Leftwich back here to coach the QB's too.
And Quinn Gray as water boy
(03-09-2018, 03:29 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2018, 03:16 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly think McCown is gonna retire. I didn't even count him as being in the running, because I don't believe he will be back. I definitely want a rookie as our #2. That was the point I was trying to make. I don't want an old veteran. I want someone who can be the future of the franchise. There is no FA QB worth the money they will demand in free agency. Draft a rookie on the first or second day and bring him in to be the heir to the starting QB job. As for Bridgewater, no way. He's coming off a major injury, he didn't fare that well when he was healthy and I have a feeling he is gonna be fragile, because his lower body and legs are so thin.
I think it’s a little disingenuous to say Teddy is “coming off a major injury”. He’s 2 full years removed from it and even played in a game last year
Look at his lower body. He's a twig. Plus, that wasn't just any leg injury. They didn't know if he would ever play again. Like it or not, his lower body is an "achilles heel."
(03-09-2018, 08:35 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2018, 03:29 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]I think it’s a little disingenuous to say Teddy is “coming off a major injury”. He’s 2 full years removed from it and even played in a game last year
Look at his lower body. He's a twig. Plus, that wasn't just any leg injury. They didn't know if he would ever play again. Like it or not, his lower body is an "achilles heel."
He's already played in a game and practiced at full speed, he's not some cripple
(03-09-2018, 08:45 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2018, 08:35 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Look at his lower body. He's a twig. Plus, that wasn't just any leg injury. They didn't know if he would ever play again. Like it or not, his lower body is an "achilles heel."
He's already played in a game and practiced at full speed, he's not some cripple
But with that pencil thin lower body, it's only a matter of time. He's going to get hit and you need meat on your bones to cushion yourself from injury. That's just biology. For whatever reason, he has yet to bulk up.
(03-09-2018, 09:59 AM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Backup qb is of no concern. Blake never gets hurt and plays hurt because he doesn't want to lose his job.
Yeah for real. A good backup QB is like having tonsils. Your body don't really need them.
You guys and this upgrade the backup stuff.
Henne didn't cost us any wins or losses last year. And he won't this year.
(03-11-2018, 12:10 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2018, 09:59 AM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Backup qb is of no concern. Blake never gets hurt and plays hurt because he doesn't want to lose his job.
Yeah for real. A good backup QB is like having tonsils. Your body don't really need them.
You guys and this upgrade the backup stuff.
Henne didn't cost us any wins or losses last year. And he won't this year.
This year's superbowl winner won with their backup QB.
Don't be so naive.
There's no question in my mind that the Jaguars must bring in A. J. McCarron provided they give him a fair shot at winning the starting quarterback job.
If the franchise will insist that he tone down his desire to be THE starting quarterback, accepting a back-up role, it does the entire franchise a disservice.
I don't give a flip what college McCarron attended. He has paid his dues and deserves a fair chance to prove he can lead the offense as the starting quarterback.
McCarron has publicly stated he is willing to work a contract to suit the team.
The Jaguars are aligned perfectly with McCarron's strengths and his experience as a quarterback. Our system is a perfect match.
(03-09-2018, 02:09 PM)ukjag34 Wrote: [ -> ]With bb5 pencilled in as the starter and solid options likely to be available late in the first im really looking forward to watching the QB carousel this year.
I reckon we grab a QB late on in fa but before the draft and I think it will be Sam Bradford
I think cousins goes to Minnesota and aj McCarron goes to the browns (before they draft a QB at 4)
The jets resign McCown and the broncos give keenum a glennon style deal to sit before the guys they draft
That leaves you with Bridgewater and Bradford in free agency if you actually want to push Bortles and I think teddy will want to go to Arizona or buffalo where he will have a shot at a starting job (probably arizona).
That leaves Bradford as your only QB that could compete with bortles as a starter and add something as a backup. Give him an incentive laden deal and use our draft picks to build a little more on offense. If bb5 doesnt build on next year its rookie QB time
Next year's QB crop looks awful. Unless someone steps up their game like Mayfield did in 2017, I don't see a QB worth drafting in the first 3 rounds of next year's draft. All the good ones entered early in this one.
(03-11-2018, 12:10 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-09-2018, 09:59 AM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Backup qb is of no concern. Blake never gets hurt and plays hurt because he doesn't want to lose his job.
Yeah for real. A good backup QB is like having tonsils. Your body don't really need them.
You guys and this upgrade the backup stuff.
Henne didn't cost us any wins or losses last year. And he won't this year.
It's not just about having a good backup. It's about finding a QB that can be the future QB. We need a QB who can at least be trusted enough to open up the playbook and take a few deep passes. If Bortles still can't do that by the end of the season, we're screwed. We need to find a young QB who can compete for the starting job by 2019.