Trade: Bills trade #12, #22 and the #121 (4th round) for the Browns #4 and #64 (2nd round).
1. Browns – RB Saquon Barkley – the Browns LT retires making it even tougher on their QB, so the Browns look to dominate on the ground with Barkley backed up by Carlos Hyde and Duke Johnson.
2. Giants – QB Sam Darnold – Giants future starts now with Darnold backing up Eli
3. Colts – DE Brad Chubb – Colts have had Chubb in sight all along
4. Bills (through Browns through Texans) – Bills do what it takes for their guy… QB Josh Rosen
5. Broncos – DB Minkah Fitzpatrick - Takes right over for Aqib Talib
6. Jets – QB Baker Mayfield – the Jets aren’t content with Bridgewater and McCown
7. Bucs – CB Denzel Ward – Will help transform one of the league’s worst offenses playing opposite Hargreaves.
8. Bears – G Quenton Nelson – A younger version of Josh Sitton
9. 49ers – LB Tremaine Edmunds – Niners had him targetted
10. Raiders – OT Mike McGlinchey – the Raiders waived their RT and Penn said he’s retiring as their LT after two more seasons. The situation sets up perfectly for McGlinchey.
11. Dolphins – QB Josh Allen – Allen’s strong arm will help cut through the thick air in Miami.
12. Browns (through Bills through Bengals) – OT Conner Williams - replaces the retired Joe Thomas
13. Redskins – DT Vita Vea – They get their run stuffing DT
14. Packers – WR Calvin Ridley replaces the departing Jordy Nelson
15. Cards – G Isaiah Wynn – the Cards desperately need to beef up their OL
16. Ravens - TE Dallas Goedert – a perfect fit for Baltimore’s offense
17. Chargers - LB Roquan Smith – Gus Bradley needs his perfect LB
18. Seahawks – CB Mike Hughes - Hughes replaces Sherm
19. Cowboys – DT Da’Ron Payne – the explosive DT fits their scheme well
20. Lions – DE Marcus Davenport – the Lions must find their edge rush
21. Bengals (through Bills) – G Will Hernandez – the interior OL is easily the Bengals biggest need
22. Browns (through Bills through Chiefs) – QB Lamar Jackson – the Browns see Jackson as the perfect backup to Tyrod with a scheme emphasizing a running game manager at QB.
23. Rams – C James Daniels – Daniels is one more piece to the Rams nearly complete puzzle
24. Panthers – WR Courtland Sutton – He’s not dropping any further
25. Titans – DE Harold Landry – With Malcolm Butler at CB they can now focus on their edge rush
26. Falcons – DT Harrison Phillips – Phillips replaces Dontari Poe
27. Saints – TE Mike Gesicki – Watch out for Brees to Gesicki
28. Steelers – S Derwin James – biggest need and best available talent
29. Jaguars – LB Leighton Vander Esch – With Poz retired, Vander Esch will plug right in at MLB or SLB taking the defense to the next level.
30. Vikings- OT Orlando Brown – the massive Brown fills a huge need whether he starts at G or OT
31. Patriots – Jaire Alexander - Patriots get their combine standout CB to replace Butler
32. Eagles - WR Christian Kirk – the playmaking WR should quickly make a name for himself
Myles Jack only playing a third of the snaps...what a shame and a waste.
Nice effort and interesting. Thanks. I don't see LB at 1-29 in your scenario though.
(03-17-2018, 08:30 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]Trade: Bills trade #12, #22 and the #121 (4th round) for the Browns #4 and #64 (2nd round).
1. Browns – RB Saquon Barkley – the Browns LT retires making it even tougher on their QB, so the Browns look to dominate on the ground with Barkley backed up by Carlos Hyde and Duke Johnson.
2. Giants – QB Sam Darnold – Giants future starts now with Darnold backing up Eli
3. Colts – DE Brad Chubb – Colts have had Chubb in sight all along
4. Bills (through Browns through Texans) – Bills do what it takes for their guy… QB Josh Rosen
5. Broncos – DB Minkah Fitzpatrick - Takes right over for Aqib Talib
6. Jets – QB Baker Mayfield – the Jets aren’t content with Bridgewater and McCown
7. Bucs – CB Denzel Ward – Will help transform one of the league’s worst offenses playing opposite Hargreaves.
8. Bears – G Quenton Nelson – A younger version of Josh Sitton
9. 49ers – LB Tremaine Edmunds – Niners had him targetted
10. Raiders – OT Mike McGlinchey – the Raiders waived their RT and Penn said he’s retiring as their LT after two more seasons. The situation sets up perfectly for McGlinchey.
11. Dolphins – QB Josh Allen – Allen’s strong arm will help cut through the thick air in Miami.
12. Browns (through Bills through Bengals) – OT Conner Williams - replaces the retired Joe Thomas
13. Redskins – DT Vita Vea – They get their run stuffing DT
14. Packers – WR Calvin Ridley replaces the departing Jordy Nelson
15. Cards – G Isaiah Wynn – the Cards desperately need to beef up their OL
16. Ravens - TE Dallas Goedert – a perfect fit for Baltimore’s offense
17. Chargers - LB Roquan Smith – Gus Bradley needs his perfect LB
18. Seahawks – CB Mike Hughes - Hughes replaces Sherm
19. Cowboys – DT Da’Ron Payne – the explosive DT fits their scheme well
20. Lions – DE Marcus Davenport – the Lions must find their edge rush
21. Bengals (through Bills) – G Will Hernandez – the interior OL is easily the Bengals biggest need
22. Browns (through Bills through Chiefs) – QB Lamar Jackson – the Browns see Jackson as the perfect backup to Tyrod with a scheme emphasizing a running game manager at QB.
23. Rams – C James Daniels – Daniels is one more piece to the Rams nearly complete puzzle
24. Panthers – WR Courtland Sutton – He’s not dropping any further
25. Titans – DE Harold Landry – With Malcolm Butler at CB they can now focus on their edge rush
26. Falcons – DT Harrison Phillips – Phillips replaces Dontari Poe
27. Saints – TE Mike Gesicki – Watch out for Brees to Gesicki
28. Steelers – S Derwin James – biggest need and best available talent
29. Jaguars – LB Leighton Vander Esch – With Poz retired, Vander Esch will plug right in at MLB or SLB taking the defense to the next level.
30. Vikings- OT Orlando Brown – the massive Brown fills a huge need whether he starts at G or OT
31. Patriots – Jaire Alexander - Patriots get their combine standout CB to replace Butler
32. Eagles - WR Christian Kirk – the playmaking WR should quickly make a name for himself
Very nice mock. You've done good research and most of the moves make sense. If the 1st round does go like this, I can see Vander Esch as a definite possibility. Linebacker depth is a need right now and he would be a great fit. Personally, I'd probably go for Mason Rudolph at this point or try to trade back to the top of the 2nd and take him then. There's a big gap between him and the next best q.b., so I'd go for long-term value over immediate starter. Also, if Marcus Davenport or Derwin James fell just a little further, they'd have to be given consideration with this pick.
(03-17-2018, 08:30 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]Trade: Bills trade #12, #22 and the #121 (4th round) for the Browns #4 and #64 (2nd round).
1. Browns – RB Saquon Barkley – the Browns LT retires making it even tougher on their QB, so the Browns look to dominate on the ground with Barkley backed up by Carlos Hyde and Duke Johnson.
2. Giants – QB Sam Darnold – Giants future starts now with Darnold backing up Eli
3. Colts – DE Brad Chubb – Colts have had Chubb in sight all along
4. Bills (through Browns through Texans) – Bills do what it takes for their guy… QB Josh Rosen
5. Broncos – DB Minkah Fitzpatrick - Takes right over for Aqib Talib
6. Jets – QB Baker Mayfield – the Jets aren’t content with Bridgewater and McCown
7. Bucs – CB Denzel Ward – Will help transform one of the league’s worst offenses defenses playing opposite Hargreaves.
8. Bears – G Quenton Nelson – A younger version of Josh Sitton
9. 49ers – LB Tremaine Edmunds – Niners had him targetted
10. Raiders – OT Mike McGlinchey – the Raiders waived their RT and Penn said he’s retiring as their LT after two more seasons. The situation sets up perfectly for McGlinchey.
11. Dolphins – QB Josh Allen – Allen’s strong arm will help cut through the thick air in Miami.
12. Browns (through Bills through Bengals) – OT Conner Williams - replaces the retired Joe Thomas
13. Redskins – DT Vita Vea – They get their run stuffing DT
14. Packers – WR Calvin Ridley replaces the departing Jordy Nelson
15. Cards – G Isaiah Wynn – the Cards desperately need to beef up their OL
16. Ravens - TE Dallas Goedert – a perfect fit for Baltimore’s offense
17. Chargers - LB Roquan Smith – Gus Bradley needs his perfect LB
18. Seahawks – CB Mike Hughes - Hughes replaces Sherm
19. Cowboys – DT Da’Ron Payne – the explosive DT fits their scheme well
20. Lions – DE Marcus Davenport – the Lions must find their edge rush
21. Bengals (through Bills) – G Will Hernandez – the interior OL is easily the Bengals biggest need
22. Browns (through Bills through Chiefs) – QB Lamar Jackson – the Browns see Jackson as the perfect backup to Tyrod with a scheme emphasizing a running game manager at QB.
23. Rams – C James Daniels – Daniels is one more piece to the Rams nearly complete puzzle
24. Panthers – WR Courtland Sutton – He’s not dropping any further
25. Titans – DE Harold Landry – With Malcolm Butler at CB they can now focus on their edge rush
26. Falcons – DT Harrison Phillips – Phillips replaces Dontari Poe
27. Saints – TE Mike Gesicki – Watch out for Brees to Gesicki
28. Steelers – S Derwin James – biggest need and best available talent
29. Jaguars – LB Leighton Vander Esch – With Poz retired, Vander Esch will plug right in at MLB or SLB taking the defense to the next level.
30. Vikings- OT Orlando Brown – the massive Brown fills a huge need whether he starts at G or OT
31. Patriots – Jaire Alexander - Patriots get their combine standout CB to replace Butler
32. Eagles - WR Christian Kirk – the playmaking WR should quickly make a name for himself
First off, good effort. doing a good one isn't easy at all. Kudos to you.
I started doing mine today, but you beat me to it. I still may submit one this weekend or next week at the latest.
Your trade involving Buffalo and Cleveland makes a ton of sense, but I don't see Cleveland coming off the #4 pick to risk missing out on one of the QBs for the new GM Dorsey. They still have a ton of ammunition to trade back up into the bottom of the first to land one of the tackles. I could see Dallas or Seattle possibly trading back.
I have Davenport going as high as Tampa. OTOH, I have been thinking McGlinchey goes a little lower, but his selection by Oakland makes sense. I could also see the Colts trading out of the 3rd pick with Buffalo instead.
***NEWSBREAK As I type this, NFL Network has announced the Colts have traded out of #3 with the Jets in exchange for #6, the 37 & 49th picks and a 2nd round pick next year******
One thing I find most interesting (contentious or controversial?) is Mason Rudolph falling completely out of the first round. With the Cards still having a desperate need at QB (sorry-Bradford/Glennon ain't gonna cut it in Az any more than Bridgewater/McCown cuts it in NYJ), with Baltimore, Chargers, Saints, Steelers and Patriots all having mid to late thirty something QBs where a replacement needs to be groomed, I don't see how Rudolph falls completely out of the round.
I like the idea of Vita Vea in Washington next to Allen. That combo would help them hold up strong against the run.
The new Draft order as of 11:03 AM
1. Browns
2. Giants
3. Jets (from Colts)
4. Browns
5. Denver
6. Colts (from NYJ)
7. Tampa
8. Chicago
9. San Francisco
10. Oakland
11. Miami
12. Buffalo (from Cin)
13. Washington
14. Green Bay
15. Arizona
16. Baltimore
17. L.A. Chargers
18. Seattle
19. Dallas
20. Detroit
21. Cincinnati (from Buff)
22. Buffalo (From KC)
23. L.A. Rams
24. Carolina
25. Tennessee
26. Atlanta
27. New Orleans
28. Pittsburgh
29. Jacksonville
30. Minnesota
31. New England
32. Philadelphia
With the Colts-Jets trade, the cost for Buffalo to trade up for a QB just got a lot higher.
(03-17-2018, 11:11 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]The new Draft order as of 11:03 AM
1. Browns
2. Giants
3. Jets (from Colts)
4. Browns
5. Denver
6. Colts (from NYJ)
7. Tampa
8. Chicago
9. San Francisco
10. Oakland
11. Miami
12. Buffalo (from Cin)
13. Washington
14. Green Bay
15. Arizona
16. Baltimore
17. L.A. Chargers
18. Seattle
19. Dallas
20. Detroit
21. Cincinnati (from Buff)
22. Buffalo (From KC)
23. L.A. Rams
24. Carolina
25. Tennessee
26. Atlanta
27. New Orleans
28. Pittsburgh
29. Jacksonville
30. Minnesota
31. New England
32. Philadelphia
With the Colts-Jets trade, the cost for Buffalo to trade up for a QB just got a lot higher.
The Bills still have the ammo to get there, and the Giants may be willing to drop back a bit.
I’d be sick to my stomach if Derwin James fell that far and we missed him by one pick.
I'm trying to make a mock, but every time I do, there is some major signing or trade going on to mess it up. Anyway, I keep flip flopping on what our pick my be. If we do go LB, I believe it definitely will be Vander Esch. I thought we might go TE, but with us signing multiple FA's at that position, I believe that is no longer a possibility. For some reason, I just don't see us taking an OG that early after the Norwell signing and I can't see us spending a first round pick on a Nickleback. IMO, that leaves one thing left and that is a QB. I believe we will either trade up for a QB, trade back into round 2 or stand pat and hope Mason Rudolph falls to #29.
The Jaguars' moves in free agency indicate that they will do whatever it takes to go one step further next year and make it to the Super Bowl. Why else spend all that money when they will soon have to pay megabucks for guys like Ramsay, Jack and Yannick? That being said, the 1st 2 draft picks are likely to be either guys who would upgrade a starting position immediately or be a backup at a position in which they need more quality depth in case the starter gets hurt. Currently, the positions which fit this description would likely be:
1. Guard- Cann can easily be upgraded.
2. Q.B.- Need solid backup in case Blake misses games. Last year proved a solid back-up could win if surrounded by excellence at most other positions.
3. Offensive tackle- Who will take over if Cam or Parnell go down. Wells is not the answer.
4. Linebacker- Is Blair Brown ready?
5. Nickel/Backup corner- Do they know something about Hayden that nobody else does?
6. Tight end- Still don't have the dangerous receiver, although ASJ may be that guy.
If they went for immediate starters, the choice would likely be guard (Hernandez) or linebacker (Vander Esch). I don't think they'll do that in round 1 simply because they already got Norwell and guards can be found later than the first round. As far as linebacker, that's a possibility, but would they take a guy that high who would come off the field a lot on passing downs as Poz did?
Quarterback seems to make the most sense. Although the guy they'd take would not start, the odds say Blake won't maintain his streak of not missing any games and a quality backup is especially critical for a team capable of going deep into the playoffs. Rudolph/Jackson would be the likely candidates and both seem capable of being franchise quarterbacks down the road. I prefer Rudolph due to fear of injuries to Jackson, but regardless of which guy they like more this position should be taken in round 1.
(03-17-2018, 09:48 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]The Jaguars' moves in free agency indicate that they will do whatever it takes to go one step further next year and make it to the Super Bowl. Why else spend all that money when they will soon have to pay megabucks for guys like Ramsay, Jack and Yannick? That being said, the 1st 2 draft picks are likely to be either guys who would upgrade a starting position immediately or be a backup at a position in which they need more quality depth in case the starter gets hurt. Currently, the positions which fit this description would likely be:
1. Guard- Cann can easily be upgraded.
2. Q.B.- Need solid backup in case Blake misses games. Last year proved a solid back-up could win if surrounded by excellence at most other positions.
3. Offensive tackle- Who will take over if Cam or Parnell go down. Wells is not the answer.
4. Linebacker- Is Blair Brown ready?
5. Nickel/Backup corner- Do they know something about Hayden that nobody else does?
6. Tight end- Still don't have the dangerous receiver, although ASJ may be that guy.
If they went for immediate starters, the choice would likely be guard (Hernandez) or linebacker (Vander Esch). I don't think they'll do that in round 1 simply because they already got Norwell and guards can be found later than the first round. As far as linebacker, that's a possibility, but would they take a guy that high who would come off the field a lot on passing downs as Poz did?
Quarterback seems to make the most sense. Although the guy they'd take would not start, the odds say Blake won't maintain his streak of not missing any games and a quality backup is especially critical for a team capable of going deep into the playoffs. Rudolph/Jackson would be the likely candidates and both seem capable of being franchise quarterbacks down the road. I prefer Rudolph due to fear of injuries to Jackson, but regardless of which guy they like more this position should be taken in round 1.
On several occassions I've heard Caldwell say that he looks for immediate starters in the first three rounds.
(03-17-2018, 11:46 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 09:48 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]The Jaguars' moves in free agency indicate that they will do whatever it takes to go one step further next year and make it to the Super Bowl. Why else spend all that money when they will soon have to pay megabucks for guys like Ramsay, Jack and Yannick? That being said, the 1st 2 draft picks are likely to be either guys who would upgrade a starting position immediately or be a backup at a position in which they need more quality depth in case the starter gets hurt. Currently, the positions which fit this description would likely be:
1. Guard- Cann can easily be upgraded.
2. Q.B.- Need solid backup in case Blake misses games. Last year proved a solid back-up could win if surrounded by excellence at most other positions.
3. Offensive tackle- Who will take over if Cam or Parnell go down. Wells is not the answer.
4. Linebacker- Is Blair Brown ready?
5. Nickel/Backup corner- Do they know something about Hayden that nobody else does?
6. Tight end- Still don't have the dangerous receiver, although ASJ may be that guy.
If they went for immediate starters, the choice would likely be guard (Hernandez) or linebacker (Vander Esch). I don't think they'll do that in round 1 simply because they already got Norwell and guards can be found later than the first round. As far as linebacker, that's a possibility, but would they take a guy that high who would come off the field a lot on passing downs as Poz did?
Quarterback seems to make the most sense. Although the guy they'd take would not start, the odds say Blake won't maintain his streak of not missing any games and a quality backup is especially critical for a team capable of going deep into the playoffs. Rudolph/Jackson would be the likely candidates and both seem capable of being franchise quarterbacks down the road. I prefer Rudolph due to fear of injuries to Jackson, but regardless of which guy they like more this position should be taken in round 1.
On several occassions I've heard Caldwell say that he looks for immediate starters in the first three rounds.
Yea, I believe that's true. He'll have to love Rudolph to take him in the first knowing that he'll likely be sitting for at least 1 year.
(03-17-2018, 11:46 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 09:48 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]The Jaguars' moves in free agency indicate that they will do whatever it takes to go one step further next year and make it to the Super Bowl. Why else spend all that money when they will soon have to pay megabucks for guys like Ramsay, Jack and Yannick? That being said, the 1st 2 draft picks are likely to be either guys who would upgrade a starting position immediately or be a backup at a position in which they need more quality depth in case the starter gets hurt. Currently, the positions which fit this description would likely be:
1. Guard- Cann can easily be upgraded.
2. Q.B.- Need solid backup in case Blake misses games. Last year proved a solid back-up could win if surrounded by excellence at most other positions.
3. Offensive tackle- Who will take over if Cam or Parnell go down. Wells is not the answer.
4. Linebacker- Is Blair Brown ready?
5. Nickel/Backup corner- Do they know something about Hayden that nobody else does?
6. Tight end- Still don't have the dangerous receiver, although ASJ may be that guy.
If they went for immediate starters, the choice would likely be guard (Hernandez) or linebacker (Vander Esch). I don't think they'll do that in round 1 simply because they already got Norwell and guards can be found later than the first round. As far as linebacker, that's a possibility, but would they take a guy that high who would come off the field a lot on passing downs as Poz did?
Quarterback seems to make the most sense. Although the guy they'd take would not start, the odds say Blake won't maintain his streak of not missing any games and a quality backup is especially critical for a team capable of going deep into the playoffs. Rudolph/Jackson would be the likely candidates and both seem capable of being franchise quarterbacks down the road. I prefer Rudolph due to fear of injuries to Jackson, but regardless of which guy they like more this position should be taken in round 1.
On several occassions I've heard Caldwell say that he looks for immediate starters in the first three rounds.
That may still be true, but this is a far different team than it has been in the past when he made the bulk of those comments. I'm not sure how many immediate starters he could get in this draft with the team we currently have. Maybe a WR. Maybe a RG. Maybe a MLB.
(03-17-2018, 11:46 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]On several occassions I've heard Caldwell say that he looks for immediate starters in the first three rounds.
Definitely. However, I do think he would make an exception, as most GMs would, for a QB if he believes he can develop into a starter.
(03-17-2018, 09:48 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]The Jaguars' moves in free agency indicate that they will do whatever it takes to go one step further next year and make it to the Super Bowl. Why else spend all that money when they will soon have to pay megabucks for guys like Ramsay, Jack and Yannick? That being said, the 1st 2 draft picks are likely to be either guys who would upgrade a starting position immediately or be a backup at a position in which they need more quality depth in case the starter gets hurt. Currently, the positions which fit this description would likely be:
1. Guard- Cann can easily be upgraded.
2. Q.B.- Need solid backup in case Blake misses games. Last year proved a solid back-up could win if surrounded by excellence at most other positions.
3. Offensive tackle- Who will take over if Cam or Parnell go down. Wells is not the answer.
4. Linebacker- Is Blair Brown ready?
5. Nickel/Backup corner- Do they know something about Hayden that nobody else does?
6. Tight end- Still don't have the dangerous receiver, although ASJ may be that guy.
I'm largely on the same side. My predicted draft order would probably be:
1st Round: Quarterback - The quarterback position is unlikely to drop. If you want a potential future starter, the first round is the way to go. If the Jaguars just wanted a backup, why wouldn't they have signed one in free agency? They filled every other major need. It tells me that they don't just want a backup, they want someone with upside.
2nd Round: Guard - I think right guard is a great opportunity to be upgraded and guards often drop in the draft.
3rd Round: MLB - Again, I think MLB has an excellent chance to be upgraded. The reason it isn't higher is because (barring injury) it's a part time position on our team. You almost have to asterisk it as a "starter". Some would say we have Blair Brown, but I think the 3rd rounder would win the job. However, even if he lost out to Brown, we could still use the depth at the position.
4th Round: Offensive Tackle: I don't think we can expect to find a starter in the late 4th round. As far as backups, offensive tackle is our biggest needs outside of quarterback which was taken earlier.
I would say that tight end would be one of my alternate choices for the above if the value wasn't there. I don't really see cornerback. I do think the Jaguars are satisfied at nickel back. They wouldn't have paid Hayden that money if they weren't.