(03-19-2018, 07:07 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]To further my point Blake Bortles and his situation is similar to Dak Prescott and Marcus Mariota but they don't get the scrutiny or negativity as Blake Bortles because of Blake's floor is so bad that it can cause a person to have a toothache. LOL. I always wondered Blake Bortles career would have been like if he was blessed with a good coach and Philosophy from day one instead of the crap he had to deal with for the first three years? I do not think Blake Bortles is a carry the team franchise QB just yet but I think he can grow into one based on the blueprint set by this franchise which other QB such a big Ben and Joe Flacco use for their development as well.
I don't think lack of coaching held him back, I think he was a player that needed more time to work on fundamentals before he was pressed into action.
Some players enter the league more fundamentally sound than others.
I think you put too much on a players plate when you need him to improve his fundamentals and you ask him to take over the offense at the same time.
(03-19-2018, 07:16 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2018, 07:07 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]To further my point Blake Bortles and his situation is similar to Dak Prescott and Marcus Mariota but they don't get the scrutiny or negativity as Blake Bortles because of Blake's floor is so bad that it can cause a person to have a toothache. LOL. I always wondered Blake Bortles career would have been like if he was blessed with a good coach and Philosophy from day one instead of the crap he had to deal with for the first three years? I do not think Blake Bortles is a carry the team franchise QB just yet but I think he can grow into one based on the blueprint set by this franchise which other QB such a big Ben and Joe Flacco use for their development as well.
I don't think lack of coaching held him back, I think he was a player that needed more time to work on fundamentals before he was pressed into action.
Some players enter the league more fundamentally sound than others.
I think you put too much on a players plate when you need him to improve his fundamentals and you ask him to take over the offense at the same time.
I agree with you my man but I said coaching staff because it will Greg Olsen that told him not to work out in California and intern ruined I was 2016 season because of it. We all know for the record how Gus Bradley has hired bad assistance one after another and is horrible at making halftime adjustments and bad changes throughout a game. Gus Bradley is the worst coach in NFL history but I think now Blake is in good hands with Doug Marrone and staff.
(03-19-2018, 07:21 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2018, 07:16 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think lack of coaching held him back, I think he was a player that needed more time to work on fundamentals before he was pressed into action.
Some players enter the league more fundamentally sound than others.
I think you put too much on a players plate when you need him to improve his fundamentals and you ask him to take over the offense at the same time.
I agree with you my man but I said coaching staff because it will Greg Olsen that told him not to work out in California and intern ruined I was 2016 season because of it. We all know for the record how Gus Bradley has hired bad assistance one after another and is horrible at making halftime adjustments and bad changes throughout a game. Gus Bradley is the worst coach in NFL history but I think now Blake is in good hands with Doug Marrone and staff.
Olsen has an excellent track record coaching QBs at both the college and NFL level.
Olsen was Jared Goff's QB coach last year for his break out season. He sure didn't hold him back.
As far as asking Bortles to stay in town, the problem with that wasn't the coaching he received. I think the problem was more with Bortles inability to avoid distractions while staying at home as reportedly shown by is apparent fondness for beach bars during that time frame. That's much more on Bortles than Olsen.
I agree with the premise of the article, but with good management we can still remain competitive. What I fear most is becoming the Buccaneers. Please, football gods, don't let that happen.
(03-19-2018, 07:41 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2018, 07:21 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with you my man but I said coaching staff because it will Greg Olsen that told him not to work out in California and intern ruined I was 2016 season because of it. We all know for the record how Gus Bradley has hired bad assistance one after another and is horrible at making halftime adjustments and bad changes throughout a game. Gus Bradley is the worst coach in NFL history but I think now Blake is in good hands with Doug Marrone and staff.
Olsen has an excellent track record coaching QBs at both the college and NFL level.
Olsen was Jared Goff's QB coach last year for his break out season. He sure didn't hold him back.
As far as asking Bortles to stay in town, the problem with that wasn't the coaching he received. I think the problem was more with Bortles inability to avoid distractions while staying at home as reportedly shown by is apparent fondness for beach bars during that time frame. That's much more on Bortles than Olsen
For every Jared Goff I can name you Josh Freeman, Blake Bortles, Marc Bulger, and Derek Carr who all struggle or had a setback under his watch so his track record speaks otherwise my good man. I can't speak for the beach bar rumors especially without any proof behind it but that's the case I'm glad he mature for that situation as well.
I think the article was compiled with an elementary mindset.
With good draft selections, good free agency signings, and responsible cap management, teams can maintain success over decades. I kind of view the Jags like the Ravens. They were able to maintain success via a great D and only started deterioration when they didn't get their return on investment after giving Flacco an elite QB contract in 2008ish. If the Jags can maintain a great D and make a wise decision @ QB (even if it is Bortles on a moderate Contract) we should be able to maintain 10 years of solid play (in the hunt each year).
the problem with bb5 is he will constantly need to work on throwing the ball. He is the best QB in the league throwing with the wrong hand. And whats really funny is he is better then alot that are throwing with the right hand.
(03-19-2018, 10:35 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]the problem with bb5 is he will constantly need to work on throwing the ball. He is the best QB in the league throwing with the wrong hand. And whats really funny is he is better then alot that are throwing with the right hand.
If you say so
(03-19-2018, 10:18 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2018, 07:41 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Olsen has an excellent track record coaching QBs at both the college and NFL level.
Olsen was Jared Goff's QB coach last year for his break out season. He sure didn't hold him back.
As far as asking Bortles to stay in town, the problem with that wasn't the coaching he received. I think the problem was more with Bortles inability to avoid distractions while staying at home as reportedly shown by is apparent fondness for beach bars during that time frame. That's much more on Bortles than Olsen
For every Jared Goff I can name you Josh Freeman, Blake Bortles, Marc Bulger, and Derek Carr who all struggle or had a setback under his watch so his track record speaks otherwise my good man. I can't speak for the beach bar rumors especially without any proof behind it but that's the case I'm glad he mature for that situation as well.
I'm not sure what you are talking about. Carr had an excellent rookie season under Olsen, Bulger had the best season of his career under Olsen, and Freeman looked to be a franchise QB under Olsen.
On top of that, he was the QB coach for Drew Brees at Purdue and John Kitna at Central Washington State who had a 16 year NFL career.
(03-20-2018, 01:12 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2018, 10:18 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]
For every Jared Goff I can name you Josh Freeman, Blake Bortles, Marc Bulger, and Derek Carr who all struggle or had a setback under his watch so his track record speaks otherwise my good man. I can't speak for the beach bar rumors especially without any proof behind it but that's the case I'm glad he mature for that situation as well.
I'm not sure what you are talking about. Carr had an excellent rookie season under Olsen, Bulger had the best season of his career under Olsen, and Freeman looked to be a franchise QB under Olsen.
On top of that, he was the QB coach for Drew Brees at Purdue and John Kitna at Central Washington State who had a 16 year NFL career.
Every QB hes coached in the NFL regressed a lot under him in their 2nd/3rd year. There's a reason for that.
(03-20-2018, 01:24 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2018, 01:12 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure what you are talking about. Carr had an excellent rookie season under Olsen, Bulger had the best season of his career under Olsen, and Freeman looked to be a franchise QB under Olsen.
On top of that, he was the QB coach for Drew Brees at Purdue and John Kitna at Central Washington State who had a 16 year NFL career.
Every QB hes coached in the NFL regressed a lot under him in their 2nd/3rd year. There's a reason for that.
That's exactly my point and thank you Jack City for pointing it out for me
Just realized the is La Canfora lol
He hates the jags
He been tryna break up this team since 2016 is when we got Ramsey and Jack lol
(03-20-2018, 01:12 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2018, 10:18 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]
For every Jared Goff I can name you Josh Freeman, Blake Bortles, Marc Bulger, and Derek Carr who all struggle or had a setback under his watch so his track record speaks otherwise my good man. I can't speak for the beach bar rumors especially without any proof behind it but that's the case I'm glad he mature for that situation as well.
I'm not sure what you are talking about. Carr had an excellent rookie season under Olsen, Bulger had the best season of his career under Olsen, and Freeman looked to be a franchise QB under Olsen.
On top of that, he was the QB coach for Drew Brees at Purdue and John Kitna at Central Washington State who had a 16 year NFL career.
I've said it before that Oley is a passing game genius along with being one of the league's best QB Coaches. Olsen is why Bortles ha 35 TDs in 2015. The problem in 2016 was two-fold. For starters, Blakes arm fatigued after the Bears game and then was injured in the Titans game. He wasn't even throwing like himself until December. This, in turn, left the Jaguars with a need to run the ball, only this is where Greg Olsen fails utterly. The man is absolutely clueless when it comes to running the football. Some teams employ a separate "run game coordinator." I keep thinking Oley's perfect role would be "passing game coordinator" where someone else handles all the running issues and calls the actual plays.