I'm surprised Pete only had 4 quarterbacks in round1. I think Lamar Jackson will be the 5th later in round 1. As far as the Jaguars' pick of Wynn, I like it a lot. He gives them a guy who should start immediately at guard, but can also fill in at tackle. If the draft goes like Prisco envisions, there will be a ton of suspense when the Jaguars pick. Many will be hoping for Rudolph or Jackson and will be very unhappy with the less "sexy" pick.
(04-05-2018, 06:08 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2018, 05:12 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]MLB and SLB prototypes are 250-260.
220 is light no matter where you line up and is the exception, not the rule. Few can play MLB or even WLB at that weight. They are exceptional players.
230s are also on the bubble, but not impossible for WLB and MLB.
Maybe 10-15 years ago yeah.
Most off ball linebackers play at 240 or under these days. Many of them at the 230-240 range. Jones was an example of a player playing at 220 who wins with quickness vs block shedding inside. He's smaller than usual.
MLBs
Luke Keuchly : 6'3 238
Kwon Alexander : 6'1 227
Jordan Hicks: 6'1 236
Ryan Shazier: 6'1 230
Deion Jones: 6'1 222
Eric Kendricks : 6' 230
Reuben Foster : 6'1 228
Christian Kirksey: 6'2 235
Blake Martinez : 6'2 237
Wesley Woodyard: 6' 233
You get the picture. Prototypical weight is much lower than 250-260 for MLBs or SLBs now.
Most of the guys you listed on the lower end are shorter. It has nothing to do with the times being different. You're selecting shorter players. They will of course be lighter. And no, that's not typical or ideal.
Roquon is only 6"1' which does fall in line with those on the lighter end. I'm starting to see an obvious contrarian pattern here.
You'll be hard pressed to find any draft profile on Roquon that doesn't mention "small" regarding his size. Don't be offended by it. It's true. It doesn't mean he can't play MLB. I'm sure he could and perhaps will. But I certainly wouldn't expect him to be playing SAM in the NFL. That's a near certainty.
(04-05-2018, 06:24 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2018, 06:08 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe 10-15 years ago yeah.
Most off ball linebackers play at 240 or under these days. Many of them at the 230-240 range. Jones was an example of a player playing at 220 who wins with quickness vs block shedding inside. He's smaller than usual.
MLBs
Luke Keuchly : 6'3 238
Kwon Alexander : 6'1 227
Jordan Hicks: 6'1 236
Ryan Shazier: 6'1 230
Deion Jones: 6'1 222
Eric Kendricks : 6' 230
Reuben Foster : 6'1 228
Christian Kirksey: 6'2 235
Blake Martinez : 6'2 237
Wesley Woodyard: 6' 233
You get the picture. Prototypical weight is much lower than 250-260 for MLBs or SLBs now.
Most of the guys you listed on the lower end are shorter. It has nothing to do with the times being different. You're selecting shorter players. They will of course be lighter. And no, that's not typical or ideal.
Roquon is only 6"1' which does fall in line with those on the lighter end. I'm starting to see an obvious contrarian pattern here.
You'll be hard pressed to find any draft profile on Roquon that doesn't mention "small" regarding his size. Don't be offended by it. It's true. It doesn't mean he can't play MLB. I'm sure he could and perhaps will. But I certainly wouldn't expect him to be playing SAM in the NFL. That's a near certainty.
There are much more MLBs playing under 250 than there are over 250. Thats just the reality of the NFL these days. The prototypical size of off ball LBs is lower than 250-260 like you suggested. I went through a list of the top 30 inside LBs from 2017, around 80% of them were sub 250. Take a peak at all of the off ball LBs coming out of college.
Yeah I don't think Roquan Smith is too small for todays NFL. Non issue for me. His block shedding is a concern but his overall skillset and speed makes up for it.
As I mentioned above I think his best spot in the NFL is at WILL but can play inside if needs be. I wouldn't expect him to play SAM either but he's good enough to play all 3 spots.
(04-05-2018, 06:49 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2018, 04:36 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]In what world is 6'1 236 small? Even if you take off a few Lbs thats still big enough. Check out Deion Jones playing inside at 6'1 220.
I think Roquans best spot is as a WILL but he can play inside too. Having elite range, agility and tackling makes up any blocking shedding problems.
Agreed.
He's one of those guys who'll be good all over. Excited to see him play, even more so than Foster last year.
(04-05-2018, 06:59 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2018, 06:49 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed.
He's one of those guys who'll be good all over. Excited to see him play, even more so than Foster last year.
Yes. Roquan Smith is one of my top 5 overall players in this draft. He consistently makes plays all over the field. I have a feeling he will either be a Bill or a Raider.
Notable inside backers 250 or over:
Zach Brown 6'1 251
CJ Mosley 6'2 250
Brandon Marshall 6'1 250
Bernard McKinney 6'4 252
Donte Hightower 6'3 265