There has been a lot of talk of Moore as a late first round prospect at WR. Many mock drafts project the Jaguars to take him at 29.
So I decided to examine him more closely than I had before.
I watched cutups of five different games of his. While not coaches tape, it suffices for these purposes.
To be honest, I don't understand the hype over him.
When I watched him, he wasn't a guy that gained a lot of vertical separation on his deep routes. The separation he did get deep was mostly on stop and go type moves.
He does have good change of direction and a thick build, and seems adept at finding holes in underneath coverage. But does he resemble a dominant WR that could get that S out of the box? Not at all.
He suffered from some bad QB play. The separation he did get vertically was often wasted by inaccurate passes.
But right now, I would be strongly opposed to the Jaguars taking DJ Moore at #29.
(04-10-2018, 12:49 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]There has been a lot of talk of Moore as a late first round prospect at WR. Many mock drafts project the Jaguars to take him at 29.
So I decided to examine him more closely than I had before.
I watched cutups of five different games of his. While not coaches tape, it suffices for these purposes.
To be honest, I don't understand the hype over him.
When I watched him, he wasn't a guy that gained a lot of vertical separation on his deep routes. The separation he did get deep was mostly on stop and go type moves.
He does have good change of direction and a thick build, and seems adept at finding holes in underneath coverage. But does he resemble a dominant WR that could get that S out of the box? Not at all.
He suffered from some bad QB play. The separation he did get vertically was often wasted by inaccurate passes.
But right now, I would be strongly opposed to the Jaguars taking DJ Moore at #29.
This is the understatement of the century.
Terps were on the 3rd QB halfway through game 2. Teams continually used bracket coverage on him considering he was the Terps only offensive threat. Period. I have a little bit of Terps homerism but guys like Ngakoue, Diggs and Sean Davis are overlooked due to their college teams ineptness
He reminds me of Percy Harvin more than anything. If you are willing to scheme the ball to him, he will be dangerous. While he can play more of a traditional WR role, I feel that wouldn't maximize his talents.
(04-10-2018, 12:59 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2018, 12:49 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]There has been a lot of talk of Moore as a late first round prospect at WR. Many mock drafts project the Jaguars to take him at 29.
So I decided to examine him more closely than I had before.
I watched cutups of five different games of his. While not coaches tape, it suffices for these purposes.
To be honest, I don't understand the hype over him.
When I watched him, he wasn't a guy that gained a lot of vertical separation on his deep routes. The separation he did get deep was mostly on stop and go type moves.
He does have good change of direction and a thick build, and seems adept at finding holes in underneath coverage. But does he resemble a dominant WR that could get that S out of the box? Not at all.
He suffered from some bad QB play. The separation he did get vertically was often wasted by inaccurate passes.
But right now, I would be strongly opposed to the Jaguars taking DJ Moore at #29.
This is the understatement of the century.
Terps were on the 3rd QB halfway through game 2. Teams continually used bracket coverage on him considering he was the Terps only offensive threat. Period. I have a little bit of Terps homerism but guys like Ngakoue, Diggs and Sean Davis are overlooked due to their college teams ineptness
I have a favorable view of Maryland overall, even if their current team isn't that great.
Maryland has produced some very good players over the years, and some good prospects that had everything needed to succeed but somehow never put it all together (Ferrell Edmunds or Warren Powers, anyone?).
I just think Moore is a slot receiver, not the guy the Jaguars need to get that S out of the box or to get defenses to respect deep.
(04-10-2018, 01:30 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]He reminds me of Percy Harvin more than anything. If you are willing to scheme the ball to him, he will be dangerous. While he can play more of a traditional WR role, I feel that wouldn't maximize his talents.
Build wise...yes.
But I don't see anywhere near the explosiveness Harvin had.
(04-10-2018, 01:36 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2018, 12:59 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]This is the understatement of the century.
Terps were on the 3rd QB halfway through game 2. Teams continually used bracket coverage on him considering he was the Terps only offensive threat. Period. I have a little bit of Terps homerism but guys like Ngakoue, Diggs and Sean Davis are overlooked due to their college teams ineptness
I have a favorable view of Maryland overall, even if their current team isn't that great.
Maryland has produced some very good players over the years, and some good prospects that had everything needed to succeed but somehow never put it all together (Ferrell Edmunds or Warren Powers, anyone?).
I just think Moore is a slot receiver, not the guy the Jaguars need to get that S out of the box or to get defenses to respect deep.
(04-10-2018, 01:30 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]He reminds me of Percy Harvin more than anything. If you are willing to scheme the ball to him, he will be dangerous. While he can play more of a traditional WR role, I feel that wouldn't maximize his talents.
Build wise...yes.
But I don't see anywhere near the explosiveness Harvin had.
They both ran a 4.41 40. DJ Moore had the 3rd best 20 yard shuttle, 2nd best vert, 3rd best 60 yard shuttle and the best broad jump. Seems fairly explosive.
I think Harvin is a good comp and if Harvin had stayed healthy, he was easily worth a 1st round selection. Moore is not going to excel right away at being an outside WR but I think a couple years down the line, he could develop into one.
Now I don't know if Moore should be the pick because we have a ton of WRs who need playing time but I wouldn't hate it. Especially with Moncreif and Lees injury history.
(04-10-2018, 12:49 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]There has been a lot of talk of Moore as a late first round prospect at WR. Many mock drafts project the Jaguars to take him at 29.
So I decided to examine him more closely than I had before.
I watched cutups of five different games of his. While not coaches tape, it suffices for these purposes.
To be honest, I don't understand the hype over him.
When I watched him, he wasn't a guy that gained a lot of vertical separation on his deep routes. The separation he did get deep was mostly on stop and go type moves.
He does have good change of direction and a thick build, and seems adept at finding holes in underneath coverage. But does he resemble a dominant WR that could get that S out of the box? Not at all.
He suffered from some bad QB play. The separation he did get vertically was often wasted by inaccurate passes.
But right now, I would be strongly opposed to the Jaguars taking DJ Moore at #29.
He's my #1 receiver but I do understand a lot of this.
Believe he will murder teams underneath and when put in space. His YAC will always lead to big plays created from nothing in the short game.
As an intermediate and deep receiver he has some ways to go. Seems like if he loses early in the route he can have trouble making up for it and doesn't always react well to press. He's a good route runner but he is missing some nuance from his game.
He's not your classic X receiver but in an offense he can be a guy who catches 90+ passes a year and seriously hurts teams. Think of him as an Uber athletic Jarvis Landry who can play outside.
I think he stands out because of his build and running style, but you look at the tape and there really isn't a whole lot of 'wow' there. Then you watch someone like Anthony Miller's tape, and you see a polished pro-looking WR. That's just me though, and I fully realise I am not a scout.
(04-10-2018, 01:51 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2018, 12:49 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]There has been a lot of talk of Moore as a late first round prospect at WR. Many mock drafts project the Jaguars to take him at 29.
So I decided to examine him more closely than I had before.
I watched cutups of five different games of his. While not coaches tape, it suffices for these purposes.
To be honest, I don't understand the hype over him.
When I watched him, he wasn't a guy that gained a lot of vertical separation on his deep routes. The separation he did get deep was mostly on stop and go type moves.
He does have good change of direction and a thick build, and seems adept at finding holes in underneath coverage. But does he resemble a dominant WR that could get that S out of the box? Not at all.
He suffered from some bad QB play. The separation he did get vertically was often wasted by inaccurate passes.
But right now, I would be strongly opposed to the Jaguars taking DJ Moore at #29.
He's my #1 receiver but I do understand a lot of this.
Believe he will murder teams underneath and when put in space. His YAC will always lead to big plays created from nothing in the short game.
As an intermediate and deep receiver he has some ways to go. Seems like if he loses early in the route he can have trouble making up for it and doesn't always react well to press. He's a good route runner but he is missing some nuance from his game.
He's not your classic X receiver but in an offense he can be a guy who catches 90+ passes a year and seriously hurts teams. Think of him as an Uber athletic Jarvis Landry who can play outside.
I see some of this as well.
It's as if you could plug him into New England's system in the Welker/Amendola/Edelman role and make a productive player.
(04-10-2018, 02:17 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2018, 01:51 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]He's my #1 receiver but I do understand a lot of this.
Believe he will murder teams underneath and when put in space. His YAC will always lead to big plays created from nothing in the short game.
As an intermediate and deep receiver he has some ways to go. Seems like if he loses early in the route he can have trouble making up for it and doesn't always react well to press. He's a good route runner but he is missing some nuance from his game.
He's not your classic X receiver but in an offense he can be a guy who catches 90+ passes a year and seriously hurts teams. Think of him as an Uber athletic Jarvis Landry who can play outside.
I see some of this as well.
It's as if you could plug him into New England's system in the Welker/Amendola/Edelman role and make a productive player.
He would kill it in a NE type system. That's why I said if you are willing to scheme around him (crossers, screens, rubs etc) he would do some serious damage to opposing defenses.
(04-10-2018, 01:50 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2018, 01:36 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I have a favorable view of Maryland overall, even if their current team isn't that great.
Maryland has produced some very good players over the years, and some good prospects that had everything needed to succeed but somehow never put it all together (Ferrell Edmunds or Warren Powers, anyone?).
I just think Moore is a slot receiver, not the guy the Jaguars need to get that S out of the box or to get defenses to respect deep.
Build wise...yes.
But I don't see anywhere near the explosiveness Harvin had.
They both ran a 4.41 40. DJ Moore had the 3rd best 20 yard shuttle, 2nd best vert, 3rd best 60 yard shuttle and the best broad jump. Seems fairly explosive.
I think Harvin is a good comp and if Harvin had stayed healthy, he was easily worth a 1st round selection. Moore is not going to excel right away at being an outside WR but I think a couple years down the line, he could develop into one.
Now I don't know if Moore should be the pick because we have a ton of WRs who need playing time but I wouldn't hate it. Especially with Moncreif and Lees injury history.
On the stopwatch at the combine they may look the same.
On the tape, it's no contest to me. Harvin's stopwatch time translated directly to the field. Every time Harvin touched the ball, you took a deep breath because you knew he could break a big play at any time. Moore's time does not, and I never got the sense he is a big play waiting to happen.
To me, if you want the equivalent of Harvin's raw vertical explosiveness, DJ Chark is the guy.
Heck I was watching cutups of Alabama LB Rashaan Evans and saw more vertical separation by Chark in those clips than I saw in any of Moore's clips.
(04-10-2018, 02:17 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2018, 01:51 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]He's my #1 receiver but I do understand a lot of this.
Believe he will murder teams underneath and when put in space. His YAC will always lead to big plays created from nothing in the short game.
As an intermediate and deep receiver he has some ways to go. Seems like if he loses early in the route he can have trouble making up for it and doesn't always react well to press. He's a good route runner but he is missing some nuance from his game.
He's not your classic X receiver but in an offense he can be a guy who catches 90+ passes a year and seriously hurts teams. Think of him as an Uber athletic Jarvis Landry who can play outside.
I see some of this as well.
It's as if you could plug him into New England's system in the Welker/Amendola/Edelman role and make a productive player.
That's what makes this receiver class so interesting to me.
Such a big variety of styles whilst having similar overall talent levels. I'd wager if you got to see every teams receiver board there would be a crazy amount of difference between each.
Yeah I love Moore and Harvin but Harvin was on a different tier speed wise on the field.
Harvin was an athletic freak of nature. Shame he didn't work on his craft.
(04-10-2018, 02:39 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]Harvin was an athletic freak of nature. Shame he didn't work on his craft.
He seemed to have conflict with every single coach he ever had.
(04-10-2018, 02:39 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]Harvin was an athletic freak of nature. Shame he didn't work on his craft.
To many migraines lol
Hooo......I'd take another Percy Harvin, minus the migraines and the attitude.
Anyway, I support the DJ Moore at 29 pick.
(04-10-2018, 03:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2018, 02:39 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]Harvin was an athletic freak of nature. Shame he didn't work on his craft.
To many migraines lol
Probably from hanging around all those knuckleheads.
I'd rather Anthony Miller, I dont see the explosiveness Harvin had. Not money players in the history of the league had the explosiveness Harvin had. I dont really care that much about combine numbers
(04-10-2018, 03:31 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ] (04-10-2018, 03:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]To many migraines lol
Probably from hanging around all those knuckleheads.
Possibly
Marijuana was ironically the only thing that fixed his migraines. Just another example of why they shouldn't care to test for that.
Hopefully McCardell will have all the necessary inside knowledge.
Were they at Maryland at the same time? (Hopefully won’t matter, because he will know people who were)
Also, I wonder if Maryland is underestimated as a producer of talent after Ngakoue and Diggs.
I bet there will be a few teams hoping to repeat that success...
Keenan was there for his freshman year