A good article on Ragnow. One of my favorite players in the draft and the most underrated player in the draft imo along with Anthony Miller. Wispers now a number of teams have a 1st round grade on him and he might go late first. Id be more than happy if he was our pick in the first.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/dr...-nfl-draft
he just has that name that sounds like it belongs in the hall of fame.
(04-12-2018, 09:14 PM)brianmsbc Wrote: [ -> ]he just has that name that sounds like it belongs in the hall of fame.
I really feel like he is the guy I want in the first if we go oline because I think its a guarantee he wont be there in the 2nd.
I really like Price but he just isnt that good in pass pro. Ragnow has no weakness and he dominated the SEC. Never gave up a sack in his 4 year career and is even a better run blocker than pass blocker
For c or G? Either way I'm cool with it.
(04-12-2018, 09:26 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]For c or G? Either way I'm cool with it.
Id play him a C and move Linder back to G but they both can play either.
(04-12-2018, 09:27 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-12-2018, 09:26 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]For c or G? Either way I'm cool with it.
Id play him a C and move Linder back to G but they both can play either.
Sounds solid as hell to me.
The one thing I never understood about Cann is he played C in High School and was 4 star recruit, played LG in college and was a All team SEC and 2nd team All American and we play him at RG were he struggles
I'd probably leave Linder at center. That position is slightly more important than RG, so let our stud veteran keep dominating there.
Jags should go offensive line and tight end, in either order, in the first 2 rounds. Fortunately for them, both position groups have several guys capable of being solid starters, if not pro-bowlers.
Offensive line (in no particular order)- Nelson, Hernandez, Wynn, Price, Crosby, Ragnow, McGlinchey, Williams, Brown, O'Neil and Miller.
Tight End- Goedert, Hurst, Gesicki, Andrews and possibly Thomas.
These numbers tell me the Jags would be wise to go tight end in the first round or, preferably, trade back into the top part of round 2 (hopefully the last top q.b. will be coveted by some team willing to make this trade) and get an extra 3rd or 4th rounder in the process. They would still be guaranteed to get one of the tight ends with their first pick and one of the remaining linemen in the 2nd. If they don't have a trade partner, just take the best tight end in the first round giving Blake another weapon.
(04-12-2018, 09:36 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The one thing I never understood about Cann is he played C in High School and was 4 star recruit, played LG in college and was a All team SEC and 2nd team All American and we play him at RG were he struggles
This is exactly what I never understood. There are subtle differences when moving from one side of the line to the other. If you have a dominant side of your body (which most people have) and you are forced to move to a side of the line where you are predominantly using the weaker side of your body to block or get off your first step, it can really mess people up. Some players are able to slide back and forth from the right to the left side with no problem at all, but there are guys that will look much, much better on one side and struggle on the other. Cann is that type of player. That is why I'd really prefer to add a true Center or RG via the draft. As much as I love Isaiah Wynn and Will Hernandez, both guys have only played on the left side and I don't want another Cann situation. Maybe they would have no problem at all sliding to RG, but if they did, we spent a ton of money on Norwell and I really don't wanna shift him.
I think Wynn is so refined that he can play most spots but y'all are right that the development to RG is an unknown.
Ragnow has played 15 games at right guard at done great so he's an easier projection.
As of right now I think I'd take Ragnow
(04-13-2018, 03:02 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I think Wynn is so refined that he can play most spots but y'all are right that the development to RG is an unknown.
Ragnow has played 15 games at right guard at done great so he's an easier projection.
As of right now I think I'd take Ragnow
Ragnow would be an excellent choice. I do think #29 is a bit early for him, but he definitely won't be there for us in round 2, because we pick too late. Personally, if we could swing it, I'd love to move down a few spots to the very top of round 2 and pick him up, (if Mason Rudolph is off the board.)
(04-13-2018, 04:41 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-13-2018, 03:02 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I think Wynn is so refined that he can play most spots but y'all are right that the development to RG is an unknown.
Ragnow has played 15 games at right guard at done great so he's an easier projection.
As of right now I think I'd take Ragnow
Ragnow would be an excellent choice. I do think #29 is a bit early for him, but he definitely won't be there for us in round 2, because we pick too late. Personally, if we could swing it, I'd love to move down a few spots to the very top of round 2 and pick him up, (if Mason Rudolph is off the board.)
I think he's a first round talent at center or guard.
Folks, I am not that particular. Tight end, offensive line. Or offensive line, tight end. If we can use our first two picks to hit those two spots with good players, I am all in on that.
(04-13-2018, 05:17 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (04-13-2018, 04:41 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Ragnow would be an excellent choice. I do think #29 is a bit early for him, but he definitely won't be there for us in round 2, because we pick too late. Personally, if we could swing it, I'd love to move down a few spots to the very top of round 2 and pick him up, (if Mason Rudolph is off the board.)
I think he's a first round talent at center or guard.
Agree, over the last 5 year the only C prospects in the draft I think are better than him are Travis Frederick and Ryan Kelly and hes close imo.
(04-12-2018, 09:38 PM)Markulous Wrote: [ -> ]I'd probably leave Linder at center. That position is slightly more important than RG, so let our stud veteran keep dominating there.
As good as Linder is at C he was even better at G. and what what better position for a rookie to be in for a guy that never gave up a sack and was very good at run blocking than to play in between Norwell and Linder?
(04-13-2018, 05:24 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Folks, I am not that particular. Tight end, offensive line. Or offensive line, tight end. If we can use our first two picks to hit those two spots with good players, I am all in on that.
This ^
And of course, Ragnow could be in the mix there despite #29 being "technically" early for him.
(04-13-2018, 08:16 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ][quote pid='1118810' dateline='1523583488']
I'd probably leave Linder at center. That position is slightly more important than RG, so let our stud veteran keep dominating there.
As good as Linder is at C he was even better at G. and what what better position for a rookie to be in for a guy that never gave up a sack and was very good at run blocking than to play in between Norwell and Linder?
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If they ultimately ended up doing that, I could get behind it. That does make sense.
Ragnow probably won't be there with our 2nd round pick, so depending on the board, I'd be fine with him at 29.
I see both sides but would lean toward keeping the vet at center. Ragnow might be more comfortable there early on but I feel how we run the ball requires a high level of execution from the center.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Linder would still make the calls if moved back to guard right?
(04-12-2018, 09:27 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-12-2018, 09:26 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]For c or G? Either way I'm cool with it.
Id play him a C and move Linder back to G but they both can play either.
I'd rather not move Linder. It's a huge advantage to have Linder and Norwell side-by-side. Also, Linder graded out by PFF as the best player on the Jaguars roster so it's not like he was struggling in the role.
(04-13-2018, 08:48 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I see both sides but would lean toward keeping the vet at center. Ragnow might be more comfortable there early on but I feel how we run the ball requires a high level of execution from the center.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Linder would still make the calls if moved back to guard right?
No, I'm reasonably sure the Center always makes the calls.
(04-13-2018, 11:12 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-12-2018, 09:27 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Id play him a C and move Linder back to G but they both can play either.
I'd rather not move Linder. It's a huge advantage to have Linder and Norwell side-by-side. Also, Linder graded out by PFF as the best player on the Jaguars roster so it's not like he was struggling in the role.
(04-13-2018, 08:48 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I see both sides but would lean toward keeping the vet at center. Ragnow might be more comfortable there early on but I feel how we run the ball requires a high level of execution from the center.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Linder would still make the calls if moved back to guard right?
No, I'm reasonably sure the Center always makes the calls.
See I used to think that but I vaguely remember reading a piece a while back that talked about how it doesn't matter as long as they can help ID the mine and relay protection changes to the others. Seems like everyone who does it is a center though..