(06-07-2018, 06:05 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (06-07-2018, 04:35 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]And Starbucks kicking out two guys for sitting without buying anything also doesn't violate the law.
Just because it caused a lot of criticism doesn't mean it was illegal.
If the Starbucks manager had overtly indicated that they were being kicked out due to their race, gender, or national origin (or other protected classes depending on the state), that would be illegal. But political affiliation is not a protected class for businesses open to the public in any state.
That seems like an easy way around racial discrimination when almost all blacks are Democrats.
Or do different laws apply to Dems vs. Pubs?
It's not easy though because most people don't declare their affiliation to a store manager or cashier.
Besides any retail manager has a legal right to kick you out without giving a reason. If they give no reason at all, they will never get in trouble with the law. they just might get in trouble with boycotts if people think they have bad motives. But if the retail manager indicates why he or she wants to kick you out, and the reason is one of the bad reasons, in other words it has to do with your membership in a protected class, then the manager is in big trouble.
(06-08-2018, 07:33 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (06-07-2018, 06:05 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]That seems like an easy way around racial discrimination when almost all blacks are Democrats.
Or do different laws apply to Dems vs. Pubs?
It's not easy though because most people don't declare their affiliation to a store manager or cashier.
Besides any retail manager has a legal right to kick you out without giving a reason. If they give no reason at all, they will never get in trouble with the law. they just might get in trouble with boycotts if people think they have bad motives. But if the retail manager indicates why he or she wants to kick you out, and the reason is one of the bad reasons, in other words it has to do with your membership in a protected class, then the manager is in big trouble.
Not true. If the evidence indicates discriminatory practices against a protected class, regardless of if the manager explicitly gives a reason, the manager could be in legal trouble. As an obvious example, if the manager refused service to every black customer that ever came into the store, that could be considered discriminatory even if the manager did not state his or her reasoning.
(06-08-2018, 08:14 AM)Gettin\ Jaggy with it Wrote: [ -> ] (06-08-2018, 07:33 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]It's not easy though because most people don't declare their affiliation to a store manager or cashier.
Besides any retail manager has a legal right to kick you out without giving a reason. If they give no reason at all, they will never get in trouble with the law. they just might get in trouble with boycotts if people think they have bad motives. But if the retail manager indicates why he or she wants to kick you out, and the reason is one of the bad reasons, in other words it has to do with your membership in a protected class, then the manager is in big trouble.
Not true. If the evidence indicates discriminatory practices against a protected class, regardless of if the manager explicitly gives a reason, the manager could be in legal trouble. As an obvious example, if the manager refused service to every black customer that ever came into the store, that could be considered discriminatory even if the manager did not state his or her reasoning.
As a practical matter though, it would be impossible for a manager to create such a policy without explaining it to the workers, and the workers could testify and say, "yes, the policy was based on race." So an investigation might start based on noticing black people getting turned away, but, the evidence presented to the judge would be stronger than that.