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(04-28-2018, 06:25 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I guess we can call this the "all backups" draft. Despite Caldwell's claim that he looks to draft starters in the first three rounds, this year we drafted three backups...

Round one - backup to Malik Jackson
Round two - backup to Donte Moncrief
Round three - backup to Barry Church

I think you misunderstood what Caldwell was saying.

He picks players in the first three rounds that he expects to become starters. I don't believe he ever said they would be immediate starters.

This means he won't use those picks on someone he expects will develop into just a role player.
(04-28-2018, 06:25 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I guess we can call this the "all backups" draft. Despite Caldwell's claim that he looks to draft starters in the first three rounds, this year we drafted three backups...

Round one - backup to Malik Jackson
Round two - backup to Donte Moncrief
Round three - backup to Barry Church

Come on man, we've been waiting for nearly 20 years to be in a position to draft guys and give them the benefit of development before requiring them to play.

The past two seasons we have used free agency to fill the holes with impact players. And now we can finally begin preparing for the future.

Our draft picks appear to be of high to very high value compared to where they were picked. That means we are getting players that other teams passed on to fill needs.

We didn't have glaring needs this year, as in years past. There were a few spots (OG,TE...etc) that we as fans hoped to see bolstered, but the guys in the office are confident in the moves, or lack thereof, that they have made concerning those positions.

For the first time in a long time, we are finally where we have wanted to be.... The place where your draft picks aren't as sexy as the other guy because your team was better than his.

Soak it in.
I'm now conflicted on what I want in the fourth round.
Part of me wants Tyrell Crosby, he's really crazy value in the 4th even if trading up a bit to get him.
I'd also like a Ian Thomas at this point.
At the same time I really wish we would take Shaquem Griffin.

Really curious to see who's available when we pick and which direction we go. Sucks a bit not having a 5th rounder too this year but I'm obviously happy we got Dareus because of that pick of course.
Where do yall compare him to Eddie Jackson? Think hes a better player? Jackson had a good year last year
I'm looking at a few possiblities.

For starters, I do think it's time to land our starting RG, and I see a few options...

Jamarco Jones - would instantly upgrade Cann at RG and should be able to move outside after Parnell leaves
Tyrell Crosby - might be able to move outside eventually as well, but in the meantime might be an even better RG
Quessenberry - the C has spent plenty of time at G and should be to fit right in there while also backing up at C
Tony Adams - a natural RG might just take right over at the spot
Wyatt Teller - a natural LG would have to adjust to the right side
Will Clap - The C blocked for Fournette and also has plenty of experience at G

The last few names might still be there iin round six. The first three guys are going this round for sure.


I could also see a QB such as Luke Falk, Kyle Lauletta or Mike White

...or a TE like Ian Thomas or Dalton Shultz

...or a MLB like Josey Jewell

...or a nickel back like Anthony Averett
(04-28-2018, 01:46 AM)Nashville.Dave Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking of homeruns, how bout them tacks? 2 top 20 players with zero picks in the top 20.

No one cares.
(04-28-2018, 07:17 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm looking at a few possiblities.

For starters, I do think it's time to land our starting RG, and I see a few options...

Jamarco Jones - would instantly upgrade Cann at RG and should be able to move outside after Parnell leaves
Tyrell Crosby - might be able to move outside eventually as well, but in the meantime might be an even better RG
Quessenberry - the C has spent plenty of time at G and should be to fit right in there while also backing up at C
Tony Adams - a natural RG might just take right over at the spot
Wyatt Teller - a natural LG would have to adjust to the right side
Will Clap - The C blocked for Fournette and also has plenty of experience at G

I wouldnt hold my breath trying to find an immediate starter on Day 3.  I think our o line is pretty set as it stands now.

I'm intrigued by Teller only because I know he was rated highly coming into this past year.  But had a down season.  If you got the 2016 prospect, you'd probably get 2nd or 3rd round value.  Not sure why the drop off.  One of the scouting reports suggested maybe he had a falling out with coaches or something and kinda checked out.

As far as other guys to consider though, Coleman Shelton is someone.  Played all three positions.  And was all conference pac12 in 2017 playing at center.  Supposedly the guy fits best in a run scheme.  They say his weakness is strength.  Not sure if that is something that can be improved in the weight room.  https://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal...an-shelton
(04-28-2018, 07:27 AM)Ding Dong Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-28-2018, 01:46 AM)Nashville.Dave Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking of homeruns, how bout them tacks? 2 top 20 players with zero picks in the top 20.

No one cares.

I'm a 'Bama fan. Evans sucks. He was just along for the ride with much more talented guys around him

Enjoy that.
(04-28-2018, 07:17 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm looking at a few possiblities.

For starters, I do think it's time to land our starting RG, and I see a few options...

Jamarco Jones - would instantly upgrade Cann at RG and should be able to move outside after Parnell leaves
Tyrell Crosby - might be able to move outside eventually as well, but in the meantime might be an even better RG
Quessenberry - the C has spent plenty of time at G and should be to fit right in there while also backing up at C
Tony Adams - a natural RG might just take right over at the spot
Wyatt Teller - a natural LG would have to adjust to the right side
Will Clap - The C blocked for Fournette and also has plenty of experience at G

The last few names might still be there iin round six. The first three guys are going this round for sure.


I could also see a QB such as Luke Falk, Kyle Lauletta or Mike White

...or a TE like Ian Thomas or Dalton Shultz

...or a MLB like Josey Jewell

...or a nickel back like Anthony Averett
I'm not sure how you can say a player would be an instant upgrade over Cann when he isn't even considered as good of a prospect coming out of college as Cann was.

The best you could say about him at this point is that you hope he would eventually develop to be better than Cann.
If we draft BAP every year like this... we are gonna be a perennial playoff team. We are gonna have a lot of great football to watch in the next 10 years.
Give me Schultz and I’ll be through the roof on this draft.
(04-28-2018, 06:51 AM)TheBigDawg Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-28-2018, 06:25 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I guess we can call this the "all backups" draft. Despite Caldwell's claim that he looks to draft starters in the first three rounds, this year we drafted three backups...

Round one - backup to Malik Jackson
Round two - backup to Donte Moncrief
Round three - backup to Barry Church

Come on man, we've been waiting for nearly 20 years to be in a position to draft guys and give them the benefit of development before requiring them to play.

The past two seasons we have used free agency to fill the holes with impact players. And now we can finally begin preparing for the future.

Our draft picks appear to be of high to very high value compared to where they were picked. That means we are getting players that other teams passed on to fill needs.

We didn't have glaring needs this year, as in years past. There were a few spots (OG,TE...etc) that we as fans hoped to see bolstered, but the guys in the office are confident in the moves, or lack thereof, that they have made concerning those positions.

For the first time in a long time, we are finally where we have wanted to be.... The place where your draft picks aren't as sexy as the other guy because your team was better than his.

Soak it in.


Ya, this... Jags had the freedom to draft BAP in each round and it appears they did really well. That is why THEY get paid to do this and I don't. LOL
(04-28-2018, 07:17 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm looking at a few possiblities.

For starters, I do think it's time to land our starting RG, and I see a few options...

Jamarco Jones - would instantly upgrade Cann at RG and should be able to move outside after Parnell leaves
Tyrell Crosby - might be able to move outside eventually as well, but in the meantime might be an even better RG
Quessenberry - the C has spent plenty of time at G and should be to fit right in there while also backing up at C
Tony Adams - a natural RG might just take right over at the spot
Wyatt Teller - a natural LG would have to adjust to the right side
Will Clap - The C blocked for Fournette and also has plenty of experience at G

The last few names might still be there iin round six. The first three guys are going this round for sure.


I could also see a QB such as Luke Falk, Kyle Lauletta or Mike White

...or a TE like Ian Thomas or Dalton Shultz

...or a MLB like Josey Jewell

...or a nickel back like Anthony Averett

I hope you're right about the potential guards.  But their draft grades do not inspire much hope for me.  They all scream "just a guy".  We already have that in Cann.

On the other hand, I hope we don't waste a pick on a backup qb who has zero chance of actually challenging to start as long as Blake is healthy.  If you want a developmental guy, there will be plenty of undrafted free agents to sign tonight.

Everyone picked today will be a depth guy.  Wait, that's what we got the first two days, too.  But yesterday's picks were really talented depth guys.  So there's that.
I’m hoping for one of Crosby or Thomas.

But I’m expecting them either to have gone or for us to pass on them again.

I just think that they’ve passed on so many potential starters at guard and tight end, they’re unlikely to look for an upgrade from a borderline prospect on day three.

Strangely, this is the part of the draft where you normally see them look for their developmental or rotational players. But this year our situation has meant all the players probably fall into that category (with maybe he exception of Chark)
(04-28-2018, 10:19 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-28-2018, 07:17 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm looking at a few possiblities.

For starters, I do think it's time to land our starting RG, and I see a few options...

Jamarco Jones - would instantly upgrade Cann at RG and should be able to move outside after Parnell leaves
Tyrell Crosby - might be able to move outside eventually as well, but in the meantime might be an even better RG
Quessenberry - the C has spent plenty of time at G and should be to fit right in there while also backing up at C
Tony Adams - a natural RG might just take right over at the spot
Wyatt Teller - a natural LG would have to adjust to the right side
Will Clap - The C blocked for Fournette and also has plenty of experience at G

The last few names might still be there iin round six. The first three guys are going this round for sure.


I could also see a QB such as Luke Falk, Kyle Lauletta or Mike White

...or a TE like Ian Thomas or Dalton Shultz

...or a MLB like Josey Jewell

...or a nickel back like Anthony Averett

I hope you're right about the potential guards.  But their draft grades do not inspire much hope for me.  They all scream "just a guy".  We already have that in Cann.

On the other hand, I hope we don't waste a pick on a backup qb who has zero chance of actually challenging to start as long as Blake is healthy.  If you want a developmental guy, there will be plenty of undrafted free agents to sign tonight.

Everyone picked today will be a depth guy.  Wait, that's what we got the first two days, too.  But yesterday's picks were really talented depth guys.  So there's that.


Woah, we wrote almost the same thing at the same time!
(04-28-2018, 06:25 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I guess we can call this the "all backups" draft. Despite Caldwell's claim that he looks to draft starters in the first three rounds, this year we drafted three backups...

Round one - backup to Malik Jackson
Round two - backup to Donte Moncrief
Round three - backup to Barry Church

Look at it this way, each player will compete for the starting position. Each player drafted so far is the best possible football player we can get. The position is secondary affecting or better stimulating the competitiveness of our own best players. This is how great teams develop. Every athlete accepts the challenge of staving off a fierce competitor.

As the saying goes...'with each victory the samurai tightens the helmet'. The veteran player spends his career competing.

Projecting these new pro players to be back-ups is old Jaguars' thinking. There's no way on earth Tom Coughlin will allow his staff to 'draft for depth' as the know-nothing local media loves to characterize the doings of a NFL draft. I hope we have finally reached and end of local media members throwing their weight around expecting the Jaguars to comply with their opinions.  We don't draft for depth any more. We draft young men who understand they are expected to give the veterans on our roster, fair, honest competition, and, if they prevail, they will have earned a starting position. Tom Coughlin has always insisted his veteran players know they will compete for their positions and Tom is not going to accept lesser effort from anybody. Lesser effort is all it takes a unchallenged veteran to win the starting job. The same is true when you deliberately draft a player who poses no threat to the established veteran. 

Veterans LOVE competition. Athletes love competition. Show me a pro basketball player who doesn't want to go head to head with any other player in the league in a game of twenty-one. I know of no pro wrestler who doesn't want a cage match with folded chairs against the reigning champ. Not a baseball player in the major leagues who doesn't want to take a crack at hitting off the consensus league ace pitcher. This is what's in their juices. They thrive on competing. It makes them the most competitive player at their position AND when you stimulate competition for roster spots on a regular regime you then find your team is also competitive within the division, conference and ultimate they will be competing for the Lombardi Trophy.

When a tub of goo sportswriter pens an article telling us who we should pick to provide "depth" at a position, it tells me he or she knows NOTHING about football.

Sadly for over a decade the Jaguars have taken heed not to upset the apple cart - not to cross up a existing veteran with competition steep enough to win a position battle outright.

Double-digit losses year after year were the result.

In one year, Tom Coughlin has woken the superior athletes who had been hibernating. The result was a divisional crown. Regardless of who is up and down in the AFC South we won it with toughness and competitive spirit.

Winning begins with competition within each and every unit of your squad. It's Tom Coughlin and David Caldwell's job from now on to make sure we have a steady flow of competitive players, who pride themselves in being the absolute best player they can be.

All three draft picks so far will have immediate impact on the roster. Let's hope our beloved veterans understand the best man wins and once it is settled they accept they STILL are a vital part of our continuing effort to be the NFL franchise. Losing a positional battle fairly is no excuse to sulk and feel sorry for oneself. Attrition quickly reverses success unless the next man up is competent and just as competitive as the down guy. Dumping salary after unit battles is a grave mistake. Your roster is never more than one deep and all too frequently the next man up is a taxi squad guy from another NFL team, who probably doesn't have any idea about the system. Retaining veterans is always a big part of roster maintenance. Losing a unit battle is NOT a excuse to dump a contract beyond reasonable circumstances. A guy could have a period of bad followed by a rebound. Cutting talent is the last resort, not the first option.
(04-28-2018, 09:42 AM)RedRooster28 Wrote: [ -> ]Give me Schultz and I’ll be through the roof on this draft.

I know the Jags have met with Schultz and he seems like exactly the type of TE that we are looking for in the run game with some ability to release into routes. I think an early TE wasn't a priority for the Jags because they have targeted Schultz in the mid rounds.

J'mon Moore may be another receiver that we could hear called out in round 5 (assuming we make a move for a pick) or 6. He's another talented receiver who is very raw. I have to believe that the Jags think Keenan can work with and develop him.
(04-28-2018, 11:23 AM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-28-2018, 09:42 AM)RedRooster28 Wrote: [ -> ]Give me Schultz and I’ll be through the roof on this draft.

I know the Jags have met with Schultz and he seems like exactly the type of TE that we are looking for in the run game with some ability to release into routes.  I think an early TE wasn't a priority for the Jags because they have targeted Schultz in the mid rounds.

J'mon Moore may be another receiver that we could hear called out in round 5 (assuming we make a move for a pick) or 6.  He's another talented receiver who is very raw.  I have to believe that the Jags think Keenan can work with and develop him.



I'm fairly sure we're done with WRs. Schultz is on my target list tho.

Here's my current list a few picks into round three...

1.Jamarco Jones

2.Tyrell Crosby
3. Anthony Averett
4. Dalton Schultz
5. Luke Falk
6. Shaqueem Griffin
7. Quessenberry
8. Tony Adams
Too bad we couldnt trade back and reacquire a 5th. We have seemed to have drafted some studs so far though

Opie!

From Opie to R2D2. Classic
Crosby,please...
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