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(05-08-2018, 10:23 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Yes sir. Love men only places.

Need more nightclubs with just guys in so we can be all manly!

No need to apologize to us, you're entitled to your own sexual preferences.

Where did I apologise?

(05-06-2018, 07:45 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-06-2018, 03:48 PM)My Desired Display Name Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sure it like everything has to do with finances, maybe those complaining should've opened their wallets wider when they had the chance

I don't disagree with you.  Finances are behind the decision to be sure.  But I think the issue goes a bit deeper.  The scouts of the 60's are no longer the same in 2018 to be sure, but the concepts that they taught 40 years ago would go along way to help young men today.

Cant say I was even alive in the 60s, or in the boy scouts in the 60s to draw a comparison, but for the little i was in it in the early 00s, it seemed to be roughly the same garbage my dad would talk about. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If girls want to learn to do more outdoor based activities, that's fine. I like when women know how to fish and camp and all that good stuff. Why not just add that to the stuff the girl scouts already do? Why do we have to totally blow up established traditions instead of just tweaking the curriculum? Wouldn't that be a better solution.

(05-10-2018, 04:32 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]If girls want to learn to do more outdoor based activities, that's fine. I like when women know how to fish and camp and all that good stuff. Why not just add that to the stuff the girl scouts already do? Why do we have to totally blow up established traditions instead of just tweaking the curriculum? Wouldn't that be a better solution.

Contrary to popular belief, the Boy Scouts aren't/weren't about "outdoor activities" though that is/was part of the curriculum used to teach.  The goal of the Boy Scouts was to assist boys with the transition to manhood.  You know, learning how to survive, use your hands, ingenuity, respect, charity, competition, patriotism, etc..  Those values and morals are lost with today's youth.

(05-10-2018, 04:04 PM)My Desired Display Name Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-06-2018, 07:45 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]I don't disagree with you.  Finances are behind the decision to be sure.  But I think the issue goes a bit deeper.  The scouts of the 60's are no longer the same in 2018 to be sure, but the concepts that they taught 40 years ago would go along way to help young men today.

Cant say I was even alive in the 60s, or in the boy scouts in the 60s to draw a comparison, but for the little i was in it in the early 00s, it seemed to be roughly the same garbage my dad would talk about. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well hopefully you live long enough to understand.  ;-)

(05-10-2018, 07:51 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-10-2018, 04:32 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]If girls want to learn to do more outdoor based activities, that's fine. I like when women know how to fish and camp and all that good stuff. Why not just add that to the stuff the girl scouts already do? Why do we have to totally blow up established traditions instead of just tweaking the curriculum? Wouldn't that be a better solution.

Contrary to popular belief, the Boy Scouts aren't/weren't about "outdoor activities" though that is/was part of the curriculum used to teach.  The goal of the Boy Scouts was to assist boys with the transition to manhood.  You know, learning how to survive, use your hands, ingenuity, respect, charity, competition, patriotism, etc..  Those values and morals are lost with today's youth.

Exactly.  Every Merit Badge had goal and a lesson.  The Scouts were about honor, respect, tradition and assisting young boys transition into manhood.  

Why does it appear that hard leaning lefties are against this?

(05-10-2018, 08:06 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-10-2018, 04:04 PM)My Desired Display Name Wrote: [ -> ]Cant say I was even alive in the 60s, or in the boy scouts in the 60s to draw a comparison, but for the little i was in it in the early 00s, it seemed to be roughly the same garbage my dad would talk about. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well hopefully you live long enough to understand.  ;-)

Understand what exactly?

(05-10-2018, 08:14 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-10-2018, 07:51 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Contrary to popular belief, the Boy Scouts aren't/weren't about "outdoor activities" though that is/was part of the curriculum used to teach.  The goal of the Boy Scouts was to assist boys with the transition to manhood.  You know, learning how to survive, use your hands, ingenuity, respect, charity, competition, patriotism, etc..  Those values and morals are lost with today's youth.

Exactly.  Every Merit Badge had goal and a lesson.  The Scouts were about honor, respect, tradition and assisting young boys transition into manhood.  

Why does it appear that hard leaning lefties are against this?

Isn't it just a business decision to try and appeal to more kids? Not sure where lefties have enforced anything on them?

Well all these old men who were Boy Scouts sure did a great job leading this country....

(05-11-2018, 07:38 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Well all these old men who were Boy Scouts sure did a great job leading this country....

Whatever that means.

(05-10-2018, 07:51 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-10-2018, 04:32 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]If girls want to learn to do more outdoor based activities, that's fine. I like when women know how to fish and camp and all that good stuff. Why not just add that to the stuff the girl scouts already do? Why do we have to totally blow up established traditions instead of just tweaking the curriculum? Wouldn't that be a better solution.

Contrary to popular belief, the Boy Scouts aren't/weren't about "outdoor activities" though that is/was part of the curriculum used to teach.  The goal of the Boy Scouts was to assist boys with the transition to manhood.  You know, learning how to survive, use your hands, ingenuity, respect, charity, competition, patriotism, etc..  Those values and morals are lost with today's youth.

Also contrary to popular belief, the Girl Scouts aren't just about selling cookies.  They hike and camp and learn skills such as archery and how to start a fire with flint and steel. 
The official mission statement of the Girl Scouts is to "build girls of courage, confidence and character, who make the world a better place."  The goals of both organizations are essentially the same, shaping the people they will become as adults.  What needs to change for either group?

(05-12-2018, 09:52 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-10-2018, 07:51 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Contrary to popular belief, the Boy Scouts aren't/weren't about "outdoor activities" though that is/was part of the curriculum used to teach.  The goal of the Boy Scouts was to assist boys with the transition to manhood.  You know, learning how to survive, use your hands, ingenuity, respect, charity, competition, patriotism, etc..  Those values and morals are lost with today's youth.

Also contrary to popular belief, the Girl Scouts aren't just about selling cookies.  They hike and camp and learn skills such as archery and how to start a fire with flint and steel. 
The official mission statement of the Girl Scouts is to "build girls of courage, confidence and character, who make the world a better place."  The goals of both organizations are essentially the same, shaping the people they will become as adults.  What needs to change for either group?

I have a niece in girl scouts and a nephew in boy scouts. The boy scouts seem to do a lot more competition based activities such as the pinewood derby, rocket races and father/son cake decorating competitions. If certain girls are more competitive, I can see where they would be more interested in what the boy scouts are doing. I think the girl scouts need to be open to more competition based activities. If a boy wants to join the girl scouts though, there's just no hope for that kid. I think they should just tweak the curriculum a little, particularly on the girl scouts side of things, keeping the two organizations separate and it should satisfy most of the dissenters. You'll never satisfy everyone though.

When I was a boy the local Boy Scout troop was segregated and there was no troop for non-white kids. I attended one meeting and never went back.

(05-13-2018, 07:13 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]When I was a boy the local Boy Scout troop was segregated and there was no troop for non-white kids. I attended one meeting and never went back.

I believe we are of he same age but I did not see that.  Might be that I attended Scouts as a military brat where the only color we were taught was green.  White, Black, Hispanic, Filipno it did not matter to us.

(05-13-2018, 08:03 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2018, 07:13 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]When I was a boy the local Boy Scout troop was segregated and there was no troop for non-white kids. I attended one meeting and never went back.

I believe we are of he same age but I did not see that.  Might be that I attended Scouts as a military brat where the only color we were taught was green.  White, Black, Hispanic, Filipno it did not matter to us.

I lived in Tennessee, my first grade class was the first year our schools were integrated. It wasn't what was taught, a certain social order was assumed.

When people talk about bemoaning changing societal norms, they forget how often the changes are necessary because the accepted norms aren't fair for everyone. I'm not saying the Boy Scouts have been unfair to girls, but I doubt our country will rip apart at the seams because girls can join the Boy Scouts, just like it didn't when black boys were allowed.

(05-13-2018, 07:13 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]When I was a boy the local Boy Scout troop was segregated and there was no troop for non-white kids. I attended one meeting and never went back.

Thank you. I no longer feel like the "old man" of the board. That was quite a bit before my time. 

(05-14-2018, 10:14 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2018, 08:03 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]I believe we are of he same age but I did not see that.  Might be that I attended Scouts as a military brat where the only color we were taught was green.  White, Black, Hispanic, Filipno it did not matter to us.

I lived in Tennessee, my first grade class was the first year our schools were integrated. It wasn't what was taught, a certain social order was assumed.

When people talk about bemoaning changing societal norms, they forget how often the changes are necessary because the accepted norms aren't fair for everyone. I'm not saying the Boy Scouts have been unfair to girls, but I doubt our country will rip apart at the seams because girls can join the Boy Scouts, just like it didn't when black boys were allowed.

I agree 100% with your statement however not all change is necessary either.

(05-13-2018, 12:18 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-12-2018, 09:52 PM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]Also contrary to popular belief, the Girl Scouts aren't just about selling cookies.  They hike and camp and learn skills such as archery and how to start a fire with flint and steel. 
The official mission statement of the Girl Scouts is to "build girls of courage, confidence and character, who make the world a better place."  The goals of both organizations are essentially the same, shaping the people they will become as adults.  What needs to change for either group?

I have a niece in girl scouts and a nephew in boy scouts. The boy scouts seem to do a lot more competition based activities such as the pinewood derby, rocket races and father/son cake decorating competitions. If certain girls are more competitive, I can see where they would be more interested in what the boy scouts are doing. I think the girl scouts need to be open to more competition based activities. If a boy wants to join the girl scouts though, there's just no hope for that kid. I think they should just tweak the curriculum a little, particularly on the girl scouts side of things, keeping the two organizations separate and it should satisfy most of the dissenters. You'll never satisfy everyone though.

No son of mine is going to be decoratin' no cake! What's next? Skirt wearin'?