(05-11-2018, 10:09 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2018, 09:51 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]In some states you can still purchase synthetic urine. I know guys that travel to Mobile, AL to pass their 2 screens a year as land surveyors (drug screenings are required to get access to gulf power properties etc).
Comes with a elastic band and heating pad to get it to temp.
Outside of probation or somewhere where they watch you pee (I think they watch in the NFL) it's too easy to pass screenings to fail one lol
I am a daily cannabis user, have been for about 45 years. A few years ago I had to submit a urine specimen for drug screening as part of a job application process. I had 10 days warning. I stopped smoking as soon as I was notified of the testing appointment, and drank over a gallon of water per day, then nearly doubled my water intake the night before and morning of the test. I actually risked a failed test due to excessive dilution. As a frequent user, cannabis should be detectable in my urine for 30 days, but I passed the test.
Dilute isn't always regarded as a failure anymore. At one particular company I know, if you're sent out for random or post-accident testing and it comes back dilute, they consider it a pass unless there was strong evidence that you were under the influence when the instruction to test was given to you.
It's nice that the Jungle advertising is so responsive to our needs. As I'm reading this the banner ad is for UFShand's addiction rehab program, so RJ, if you're ready to break your 4 decades of slavery to the weed you should click that link and get the help you need.
(05-09-2018, 07:18 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I'm kind of on the fence when it comes to this topic. I personally do not use marijuana (though I did so many years ago in my younger days).
On one hand, I personally don't care what people do in their personal lives and/or in their homes. If someone wants to smoke a joint to relax after a day of work or while socializing on the weekends, I don't see any problem with that.
On the other hand, I have heard of and seen cases where people are smoking marijuana while on break at work. This includes places where dangerous machinery is used and regardless of my personal opinion of marijuana use, a person should not be operating machinery, driving, etc. while impaired... especially on the job.
To go along with that, at the place that I work at we handle classified information and have to have a security clearance. A person that can't pass a drug test displays poor judgement and therefor cannot hold a security clearance.
It's case by case really. I am honeslty probably high somewhere around 90% of every waking minute of my life and 2 years in a row with my current company I ranked #1 in the entire northeast.
I drive with no issue, I go to the gym, I play sports and video games. There are no Ill effects besides some cotton mouth.
I honestly don't think I would be as productive without using it.
On the flip side, I know people who use marijuana and then 15 minutes later you're hanging out with the equivalent of a bag of sand.
My philosophy when it comes to using while working... As long as it isn't negatively impacting your work, or putting the company at risk, I don't care what you do as long as you show up on time and can perform your duties.
(05-10-2018, 09:15 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Some of the posts reek of pure ignorance to the real impact smoking has on ones life.
Some people's perspective comes directly from the negative impact it has had on their friends and family. Those folks are more than likely the exception than the rule, but the damage it does cancels all that thought process.
For my family, more are addicts of something than not. Thankfully I dodged that bullet but the destruction to family members is pretty horrific to include suicide and a general thought process of "this is my life and I'm not hurting anyone". Yeah, okay.
Mostly alcohol but also weed and others.
I don't care if stuff is legal or not. It's like "illegal" guns, people will get their hands on what they want. I just wish there was a system ( for lack of a better word right now) in place to help people when they, or their family members, fall down that rabbit hole.
(05-12-2018, 09:44 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's nice that the Jungle advertising is so responsive to our needs. As I'm reading this the banner ad is for UFShand's addiction rehab program, so RJ, if you're ready to break your 4 decades of slavery to the weed you should click that link and get the help you need.
If you find a non-narcotic effective relief of the symptoms of chronic low-level autonomic dysreflexia, I'll be glad to try it. Until then, maybe you should shut the [BLEEP] up.
(05-15-2018, 04:09 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (05-12-2018, 09:44 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's nice that the Jungle advertising is so responsive to our needs. As I'm reading this the banner ad is for UFShand's addiction rehab program, so RJ, if you're ready to break your 4 decades of slavery to the weed you should click that link and get the help you need.
If you find a non-narcotic effective relief of the symptoms of chronic low-level autonomic dysreflexia, I'll be glad to try it. Until then, maybe you should shut the [BLEEP] up.
Someone's panties are wadded very tightly today.
He was clearly kidding with you.
Your favorite word....
triggered
(05-15-2018, 04:09 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (05-12-2018, 09:44 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's nice that the Jungle advertising is so responsive to our needs. As I'm reading this the banner ad is for UFShand's addiction rehab program, so RJ, if you're ready to break your 4 decades of slavery to the weed you should click that link and get the help you need.
If you find a non-narcotic effective relief of the symptoms of chronic low-level autonomic dysreflexia, I'll be glad to try it. Until then, maybe you should shut the [BLEEP] up.
Have you forgotten the definition of sarcasm?
(05-15-2018, 04:09 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (05-12-2018, 09:44 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It's nice that the Jungle advertising is so responsive to our needs. As I'm reading this the banner ad is for UFShand's addiction rehab program, so RJ, if you're ready to break your 4 decades of slavery to the weed you should click that link and get the help you need.
If you find a non-narcotic effective relief of the symptoms of chronic low-level autonomic dysreflexia, I'll be glad to try it. Until then, maybe you should shut the [BLEEP] up.
Whoah, whoah, whoah here now. You're clearly dealing with that uncontrollable rage I saw in that Reefer Madness educational film. You better speed up your recovery plan there fella, no telling how much longer you've got before the damage is irreparable.
Let's please keep this civil.
I don't want to issue warnings for something as trivial as this.
What people choose to do in their private lives is not a subject for discussion on here. I understand that flsprtsgod was kidding and being sarcastic, but at the same time RJ is one of our admins and I understand his personal reason(s) for using marijuana. I also understand that RJ isn't afraid to post publicly his choice to do so.
RJ and I don't always get along, but I happen to know a bit about his history and part of the reason that he uses. I fully support his choice and will "have his back" any time.
At the same time I do know that flsprtsgod is a long time poster here and a very well liked contributor on this sub-forum as well as several others. I am certainly sure that his comments were in jest and not a personal attack.
The bottom line is, let's keep this discussion to the topic at hand. RJ and flsprtsgod you guys need to "kiss and make up" (not that there's anything wrong with that).
(05-15-2018, 09:02 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Let's please keep this civil.
I don't want to issue warnings for something as trivial as this.
What people choose to do in their private lives is not a subject for discussion on here. I understand that flsprtsgod was kidding and being sarcastic, but at the same time RJ is one of our admins and I understand his personal reason(s) for using marijuana. I also understand that RJ isn't afraid to post publicly his choice to do so.
RJ and I don't always get along, but I happen to know a bit about his history and part of the reason that he uses. I fully support his choice and will "have his back" any time.
At the same time I do know that flsprtsgod is a long time poster here and a very well liked contributor on this sub-forum as well as several others. I am certainly sure that his comments were in jest and not a personal attack.
The bottom line is, let's keep this discussion to the topic at hand. RJ and flsprtsgod you guys need to "kiss and make up" (not that there's anything wrong with that).
I'm pretty sure we're fine, he's holding me a spot on the couch, right RJ?
(05-15-2018, 09:17 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (05-15-2018, 09:02 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Let's please keep this civil.
I don't want to issue warnings for something as trivial as this.
What people choose to do in their private lives is not a subject for discussion on here. I understand that flsprtsgod was kidding and being sarcastic, but at the same time RJ is one of our admins and I understand his personal reason(s) for using marijuana. I also understand that RJ isn't afraid to post publicly his choice to do so.
RJ and I don't always get along, but I happen to know a bit about his history and part of the reason that he uses. I fully support his choice and will "have his back" any time.
At the same time I do know that flsprtsgod is a long time poster here and a very well liked contributor on this sub-forum as well as several others. I am certainly sure that his comments were in jest and not a personal attack.
The bottom line is, let's keep this discussion to the topic at hand. RJ and flsprtsgod you guys need to "kiss and make up" (not that there's anything wrong with that).
I'm pretty sure we're fine, he's holding me a spot on the couch, right RJ?
We're good. But I ain't kissing you.
(05-10-2018, 03:12 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2018, 09:15 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Seems that the illegality of it is what rubs most the wrong way. That's just it though. The illegality is in place to keep black people in their place.
FTFY.
So wrong.
Initially the push back against marijuana was rich white people VS immigrant Hispanics.
More push back came from the textile industries and further push from big pharma.
You can look to the crack epidemic of the 80s and 90s if you want to see your government policing drugs in a way that impacts the black community.... (cocaine was a lighter sentence than it's almost equivalent "crack")
but to say that weed is kept illegal federally to "bring down the black man" is silly. If you're referring to the amount of blacks incarcerated for non-violent drug charges, you could have an argument on that, but I don't think the correlation can be made that because more blacks are incarcerated that is WHY the plant is still deemed a drug and illegal. (Two different issues)
Over three-fourths of all marijuana consuming adults are white (76%), while only two-fifths (20%) are Hispanics or African-American.
(05-13-2018, 08:41 AM)Achilles Wrote: [ -> ] (05-09-2018, 07:18 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I'm kind of on the fence when it comes to this topic. I personally do not use marijuana (though I did so many years ago in my younger days).
On one hand, I personally don't care what people do in their personal lives and/or in their homes. If someone wants to smoke a joint to relax after a day of work or while socializing on the weekends, I don't see any problem with that.
On the other hand, I have heard of and seen cases where people are smoking marijuana while on break at work. This includes places where dangerous machinery is used and regardless of my personal opinion of marijuana use, a person should not be operating machinery, driving, etc. while impaired... especially on the job.
To go along with that, at the place that I work at we handle classified information and have to have a security clearance. A person that can't pass a drug test displays poor judgement and therefor cannot hold a security clearance.
It's case by case really. I am honeslty probably high somewhere around 90% of every waking minute of my life and 2 years in a row with my current company I ranked #1 in the entire northeast.
I drive with no issue, I go to the gym, I play sports and video games. There are no Ill effects besides some cotton mouth.
I honestly don't think I would be as productive without using it.
On the flip side, I know people who use marijuana and then 15 minutes later you're hanging out with the equivalent of a bag of sand.
My philosophy when it comes to using while working... As long as it isn't negatively impacting your work, or putting the company at risk, I don't care what you do as long as you show up on time and can perform your duties.
I've always called marijuana an enhancer.
If you're artistic, it'll help you get your Jim Morrison on. Lady Gaga has been quoted as saying she smokes a lot when she writes music.
If you're into being up and moving and getting and going... Marijuana will enhance what you already enjoy doing (shopping perhaps?)
If you're a gamer... it'll help you zone in on your first person shooters.
If you're a lazy tool, marijuana will make you an even lazier tool.
(05-16-2018, 12:04 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2018, 03:12 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]FTFY.
So wrong.
Initially the push back against marijuana was rich white people VS immigrant Hispanics.
More push back came from the textile industries and further push from big pharma.
You can look to the crack epidemic of the 80s and 90s if you want to see your government policing drugs in a way that impacts the black community.... (cocaine was a lighter sentence than it's almost equivalent "crack")
but to say that weed is kept illegal federally to "bring down the black man" is silly. If you're referring to the amount of blacks incarcerated for non-violent drug charges, you could have an argument on that, but I don't think the correlation can be made that because more blacks are incarcerated that is WHY the plant is still deemed a drug and illegal. (Two different issues)
Over three-fourths of all marijuana consuming adults are white (76%), while only two-fifths (20%) are Hispanics or African-American.
I'm pretty sure that's not accurate. White people just feel safer admitting it then other races.
(05-16-2018, 12:12 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (05-16-2018, 12:04 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]So wrong.
Initially the push back against marijuana was rich white people VS immigrant Hispanics.
More push back came from the textile industries and further push from big pharma.
You can look to the crack epidemic of the 80s and 90s if you want to see your government policing drugs in a way that impacts the black community.... (cocaine was a lighter sentence than it's almost equivalent "crack")
but to say that weed is kept illegal federally to "bring down the black man" is silly. If you're referring to the amount of blacks incarcerated for non-violent drug charges, you could have an argument on that, but I don't think the correlation can be made that because more blacks are incarcerated that is WHY the plant is still deemed a drug and illegal. (Two different issues)
Over three-fourths of all marijuana consuming adults are white (76%), while only two-fifths (20%) are Hispanics or African-American.
I'm pretty sure that's not accurate. White people just feel safer admitting it then other races.
What an obscene gesture... (sounds like racism to me) because I'm white I'm allowed to partake or feel more comfortable admitting to partaking in an illegal activity.... oooook
There's actually a lot to be learned if you're willing to learn something as opposed to just tossing out the same ol tired lines of nonsense and misinformation...
The demographics info and stats have been being gathered by NORML and the government for years, and more so since the rise in popularity of medical marijuana.
https://www.cannabisconsumer.org/uploads...havior.pdf
http://blog.norml.org/2009/04/10/who-are...ana-users/
https://www.statista.com/topics/3117/rec...marijuana/
(05-16-2018, 03:57 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (05-16-2018, 12:12 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm pretty sure that's not accurate. White people just feel safer admitting it then other races.
What an obscene gesture... (sounds like racism to me) because I'm white I'm allowed to partake or feel more comfortable admitting to partaking in an illegal activity.... oooook
There's actually a lot to be learned if you're willing to learn something as opposed to just tossing out the same ol tired lines of nonsense and misinformation...
The demographics info and stats have been being gathered by NORML and the government for years, and more so since the rise in popularity of medical marijuana.
https://www.cannabisconsumer.org/uploads...havior.pdf
http://blog.norml.org/2009/04/10/who-are...ana-users/
https://www.statista.com/topics/3117/rec...marijuana/
Sure, because we know minorities just loooooovvvvvee to fill out questionnaires about their illicit behaviors.
(05-17-2018, 01:04 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (05-16-2018, 03:57 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]What an obscene gesture... (sounds like racism to me) because I'm white I'm allowed to partake or feel more comfortable admitting to partaking in an illegal activity.... oooook
There's actually a lot to be learned if you're willing to learn something as opposed to just tossing out the same ol tired lines of nonsense and misinformation...
The demographics info and stats have been being gathered by NORML and the government for years, and more so since the rise in popularity of medical marijuana.
https://www.cannabisconsumer.org/uploads...havior.pdf
http://blog.norml.org/2009/04/10/who-are...ana-users/
https://www.statista.com/topics/3117/rec...marijuana/
Sure, because we know minorities just loooooovvvvvee to fill out questionnaires about their illicit behaviors.
Exactly.. It's almost like he's never talked with actual black people.
Almost every single black person I've ever met is extremely paranoid about those kinds of things. And black people in general do not fill out surveys or polls. Especially black men. That's just proven marketing/advertising data.
Anyway, I'm the same way. I'd never admit to smoking weed to an internet survey or questionnaire. Because I happen to think all that information is stored in a CIA or NSA file that they have on all of us. Not saying they are looking at it or care about it - but I think they have it.
(05-16-2018, 12:04 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (05-10-2018, 03:12 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]FTFY.
So wrong.
Initially the push back against marijuana was rich white people VS immigrant Hispanics.
More push back came from the textile industries and further push from big pharma.
You can look to the crack epidemic of the 80s and 90s if you want to see your government policing drugs in a way that impacts the black community.... (cocaine was a lighter sentence than it's almost equivalent "crack")
but to say that weed is kept illegal federally to "bring down the black man" is silly. If you're referring to the amount of blacks incarcerated for non-violent drug charges, you could have an argument on that, but I don't think the correlation can be made that because more blacks are incarcerated that is WHY the plant is still deemed a drug and illegal. (Two different issues)
Over three-fourths of all marijuana consuming adults are white (76%), while only two-fifths (20%) are Hispanics or African-American.
(05-13-2018, 08:41 AM)Achilles Wrote: [ -> ]It's case by case really. I am honeslty probably high somewhere around 90% of every waking minute of my life and 2 years in a row with my current company I ranked #1 in the entire northeast.
I drive with no issue, I go to the gym, I play sports and video games. There are no Ill effects besides some cotton mouth.
I honestly don't think I would be as productive without using it.
On the flip side, I know people who use marijuana and then 15 minutes later you're hanging out with the equivalent of a bag of sand.
My philosophy when it comes to using while working... As long as it isn't negatively impacting your work, or putting the company at risk, I don't care what you do as long as you show up on time and can perform your duties.
I've always called marijuana an enhancer.
If you're artistic, it'll help you get your Jim Morrison on. Lady Gaga has been quoted as saying she smokes a lot when she writes music.
If you're into being up and moving and getting and going... Marijuana will enhance what you already enjoy doing (shopping perhaps?)
If you're a gamer... it'll help you zone in on your first person shooters.
If you're a lazy tool, marijuana will make you an even lazier tool.
Quote:There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the U.S., and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.
- U.S. Narcotics Commissioner Harry Anslinger, testifying before Congress in support of the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937
The original laws against hemp and marijuana targeted all non-white people, Reefer Madness reinforced that idea. Statistics clearly show black people are arrested now for marijuana possession at significantly higher rates than white people.
(05-18-2018, 08:46 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (05-17-2018, 01:04 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Sure, because we know minorities just loooooovvvvvee to fill out questionnaires about their illicit behaviors.
Exactly.. It's almost like he's never talked with actual black people.
Almost every single black person I've ever met is extremely paranoid about those kinds of things. And black people in general do not fill out surveys or polls. Especially black men. That's just proven marketing/advertising data.
Anyway, I'm the same way. I'd never admit to smoking weed to an internet survey or questionnaire. Because I happen to think all that information is stored in a CIA or NSA file that they have on all of us. Not saying they are looking at it or care about it - but I think they have it.
I disclose my marijuana use to every doctor, nurse or health aide in whom I entrust my care. To this day, I have not had a single one of them tell me I was harming myself, all have been 100% supportive.
Having said that, I've never told anyone with whom I've worked.
(05-18-2018, 08:46 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (05-17-2018, 01:04 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Sure, because we know minorities just loooooovvvvvee to fill out questionnaires about their illicit behaviors.
Exactly.. It's almost like he's never talked with actual black people.
Almost every single black person I've ever met is extremely paranoid about those kinds of things. And black people in general do not fill out surveys or polls. Especially black men. That's just proven marketing/advertising data.
Anyway, I'm the same way. I'd never admit to smoking weed to an internet survey or questionnaire. Because I happen to think all that information is stored in a CIA or NSA file that they have on all of us. Not saying they are looking at it or care about it - but I think they have it.
Weird... I know all sorts of black people that don't pigeon hole themselves in the way you guys are...
Wonder if you guys have any back up to your claims that "black people" don't poll, don't admit drug use, and are overall paranoid people lol
You guys are funny. You live in the world the media tells you exist I guess. Instead of doing work and research to develop your own thoughts and opinions.
Suppose NORML just throws stuff out like that to drive their own narritive........
(05-18-2018, 03:56 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2018, 08:46 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly.. It's almost like he's never talked with actual black people.
Almost every single black person I've ever met is extremely paranoid about those kinds of things. And black people in general do not fill out surveys or polls. Especially black men. That's just proven marketing/advertising data.
Anyway, I'm the same way. I'd never admit to smoking weed to an internet survey or questionnaire. Because I happen to think all that information is stored in a CIA or NSA file that they have on all of us. Not saying they are looking at it or care about it - but I think they have it.
I disclose my marijuana use to every doctor, nurse or health aide in whom I entrust my care. To this day, I have not had a single one of them tell me I was harming myself, all have been 100% supportive.
Having said that, I've never told anyone with whom I've worked.
I've been pretty open about my marijuana use, even to the cop who pulled me over years ago (I got PTR luckily)
Co-workers and bosses know... Family knows...
own it I say... the more you hide it the more there seems to be something worthy of hiding.
(05-18-2018, 03:53 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (05-16-2018, 12:04 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]So wrong.
Initially the push back against marijuana was rich white people VS immigrant Hispanics.
More push back came from the textile industries and further push from big pharma.
You can look to the crack epidemic of the 80s and 90s if you want to see your government policing drugs in a way that impacts the black community.... (cocaine was a lighter sentence than it's almost equivalent "crack")
but to say that weed is kept illegal federally to "bring down the black man" is silly. If you're referring to the amount of blacks incarcerated for non-violent drug charges, you could have an argument on that, but I don't think the correlation can be made that because more blacks are incarcerated that is WHY the plant is still deemed a drug and illegal. (Two different issues)
Over three-fourths of all marijuana consuming adults are white (76%), while only two-fifths (20%) are Hispanics or African-American.
I've always called marijuana an enhancer.
If you're artistic, it'll help you get your Jim Morrison on. Lady Gaga has been quoted as saying she smokes a lot when she writes music.
If you're into being up and moving and getting and going... Marijuana will enhance what you already enjoy doing (shopping perhaps?)
If you're a gamer... it'll help you zone in on your first person shooters.
If you're a lazy tool, marijuana will make you an even lazier tool.
Quote:There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the U.S., and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.
- U.S. Narcotics Commissioner Harry Anslinger, testifying before Congress in support of the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937
The original laws against hemp and marijuana targeted all non-white people, Reefer Madness reinforced that idea. Statistics clearly show black people are arrested now for marijuana possession at significantly higher rates than white people.
Please don't reference Reefer Madness as anything other that silly propaganda (that made WHITE people look crazy for smoking it)
Harry Anslinger said that sure... but the issue at hand during those times was the massive amounts of migrant workers from Mexico.
It's all in the wonderful docu-series America's War on Drugs.
And I don't deny blacks are arrested at a higher rate than whites. That doesn't mean they actually smoke it more.
There is a serious issue to be discussed there but it isn't a marijuana issue. They aren't targeting marijuana smokers that are only black or because they are black.
The real issue is social and economical. The incarceration rate of black men is high, but it isn't just users but sellers as well. If there are more young black men selling drugs trying to make a living based on being brought up in a terrible social and economic climate there are more instances for them to be arrested.
Even still.... regardless of who uses more or who admits to using more, this whole thing came about from the idea that marijuana is still illegal in order to "put the black man down" and that is a silly notion.