(05-21-2018, 12:40 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2018, 03:22 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Adam2012, like all other liberals have literally never been right about a single thing in 2 years. Hilarious to watch.
While Donald continues to sink deeper into a quagmire of his own making, all you can say is liberal, liberal, liberal. You lie as well as Donald.
Pathetic. And sad.
You should really pay attention to real news channels more.
(05-21-2018, 11:44 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2018, 12:40 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]While Donald continues to sink deeper into a quagmire of his own making, all you can say is liberal, liberal, liberal. You lie as well as Donald.
Pathetic. And sad.
You should really pay attention to real news channels more.
lol ... this from a guy who has Donald receiving a Nobel Peace Prize. I bet you look cute in your cheerleader's outfit.
(05-21-2018, 08:09 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The government does not need probable cause before hiring an informant.
That said, Trump's "Russia if you're listening" speech would have been probable cause to investigate regarding possible illegal collusion.
So long as the informant did not share information back to the DNC or the Hillary campaign, there is nothing improper about it. The only improper thing is asking a foreign, hostile, government to hack the communications of a rival campaign on national television.
You may be right about the informant, but you're wrong about the statements regarding probable cause. In no court in America would that reach the level of probable cause. It doesn't even reach reasonable suspicion even if you assume what he said was a request to hack a rival campaign. It was, instead, a joke about asking them to release the evidence she destroyed.
If you take it seriously, asking a foreign government to release evidence that was destroyed during a criminal investigation isn't illegal. Asking them to hack a foreign campaign isn't even illegal.
(05-21-2018, 10:48 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2018, 08:09 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The government does not need probable cause before hiring an informant.
That said, Trump's "Russia if you're listening" speech would have been probable cause to investigate regarding possible illegal collusion.
So long as the informant did not share information back to the DNC or the Hillary campaign, there is nothing improper about it. The only improper thing is asking a foreign, hostile, government to hack the communications of a rival campaign on national television.
You are so clueless.
Trump asked Russia to release the deleted E-mails if they already had them. He wasn't asking them to hack anything. They couldn't possibly hack Hillary's server and all of the incriminating evidence it had, since it was already destroyed. Technically he was asking Russia to return stolen property.
And yes, the government DOES need probable cause linked to a specific crime in order to spy on an American citizen.
I'm not sure but I believe I remember reading that counterintelligence doesn't require probable cause to initiate.
I believe it's a gross abuse of power to surveil the Trump campaign but I don't think it was illegal. At least not from the information I know now. It could easily change.
(05-21-2018, 05:42 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]A sitting President just ordered the Justice Department via Twitter to launch an investigation into a political opponent, ostensibly to divert focus away from the investigation being conducted on him.
My, what a slippery slope we slide down.
It wasn't an order via Twitter but a notification that he will officially order the investigation.
(05-19-2018, 11:59 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]Whether they are called a 'spy', 'informant', 'intelligence source', or 'confident', it is an unprecedented move by a former administration and the DOJ. Documentation has been combed over by the Intelligence Committee shows most of this took place well before Trump was the official GOP candidate. Pretty dirty. Pathetic that CNN is the only "news" source attempting to mince words to ensure they can continue to fuel the anti-trump machine.
They're not the only media outlet that was trying to spin this as an informant. They were just taking their marching orders from the NY Times and Washington Post, who spun that as the story early on. They've already been trying to walk that back, so now it's just CNN and MSNBC who are still riding that story line, and it's entertaining to watch them twisting in the wind.
This whole thing stinks. They tried to embed 2 spies in the Trump campaign going back to well before he was a nominee. You had the DNI, and the heads of the CIA and FBI in cahoots trying to bring down the candidate starting well before he was the nominee, and then stepped up their efforts after he secured that role. When he beat their candidate of choice, they put the pedal to the floor to try to undermine him. They are determined to try to force him out of office, but it's not happening. I hope they continue this folly right through November. The blue wave will be nothing more than a giant flush getting rid of the left, and any RINOs who were involved in this nonsense. Unfortunately, republicans will once again find a way to screw this up.
(05-21-2018, 10:11 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2018, 06:23 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]You might as well be a Hillary lover considering the spin you've propagated here. The Hillary camp is the faction claiming Trump asked Russia to "hack" her. If you aren't part of them then you nonetheless subscribe to and buy into their rhetoric hook, line, and sinker.
Even if he didn't use the word "hack," the comment was still probable cause to investigate his campaign for collusion with a hostile foreign government.
I know the cankle lovers cling to that comment as if Trump was releasing the hounds. Did you actually hear the entire comment in context? It was a joke. The fact that it has been used as justification for the allegations of collusion is just a sad attempt by the losing side to explain away the reality that their candidate was so bad that Donald Trump spanked her in an election that was rigged for her to win, to a position that she still believes she was entitled to. She has spent more than a year making excuses, and all she has to show for it is a giant scarf and a back brace / body harness used to keep her upright.
After watching episodes 1-6 of 10 of The Vietnam War series on PBS, I'm not certain I'll ever trust anything that the Government does from here on in.
(05-22-2018, 06:34 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]After watching episodes 1-6 of 10 of The Vietnam War series on PBS, I'm not certain I'll ever trust anything that the Government does from here on in.
You still did? Dude, the only thing government cares about is preserving itself.
(05-21-2018, 10:36 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2018, 10:11 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Even if he didn't use the word "hack," the comment was still probable cause to investigate his campaign for collusion with a hostile foreign government.
Welcome to the Jungle, where you're either a Trumpette or a filthy [BLEEP] fasco-communist out to take our guns, give our jobs to Mexicans and use the wrong bathroom.
should we start a pole of some sort!
well its the off season and only game that's high stakes is the
Donkey Dems
Elephant Reps
I really think that The Donkeys are going to forfeit any ways
Elephants win