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(05-24-2018, 05:47 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry free speech is now a T-shirt?

You trumpettes are nuts.

Come on Aussie, you’re not even insulting correctly. This is a broad free speech issue not just relgated to Trump supporters. School dress and appearance in American schools has become a hot topic the last year or two. Male versus female, religion/no religion, free speech, etc.

(05-24-2018, 05:47 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry free speech is now a T-shirt?

You trumpettes are nuts.

No one here, even anti-Trumpers, are denying that clothing and the things on them constitute free speech.

You're Australian. You have no idea what Freedom even means. You blindly trust everything your corrupt government tells you.

I'm actually British thanks.

So schools with a uniform policy are suppressing free speech? Organised team sports must also be suppressing free speech.

I wouldn't mock Australia, the average Aussie has got it way better than the average American.

(05-24-2018, 03:51 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-24-2018, 02:25 PM)My Desired Display Name Wrote: [ -> ]"Barnes went home and school officials treated his absence as a suspension,"


Its semantics but I'm only thinking in terms of the lawsuit... its like being told "you can quit, or i can fire you"...one puts the onus on you and the other puts it on the company.  Same thing, the school likely knew they didn't have grounds to stand on to suspend him outright so they let him make the choice himself and then suspended him for it.

You obviously didn't read the School's Standard of Conduct link that I provided.  I even told you where the answers were that gave the School such rights.

My guy, I read up to the person I quoted and then read his response, no I didnt even read your post...but since you bring it up


I did just read it now, and I'm still lost to where they have grounds to suspend him.  The first link is EXTREMELY vague as to what isn't allowed.  The second link which better spells out what isnt allowed still would need a very loose interpretation to not allow his clothing. 

"4 Clothing decorated or marked with illustrations, words, or phrases that have sexual innuendoes
nope
are vulgar
nope
obscene
nope
promote behavior violating school conduct standards 
nope
Gang-related symbols, colors, or insignias are not allowed
Unless there's a new gang I'm not familiar with, than no 
Clothing decorated or marked with illustrations, words, or phrases that are disruptive or potentially disruptive, and/or that promote superiority of one group over another is not permitted.
This maybe by the loosest definitions would be that, but the shirt in and of itself does not do these things

The fact that they rescinded the suspension says all I need to know about that matter, and the grounds they had to suspend him.

(05-24-2018, 05:58 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]I'm actually British thanks.

So schools with a uniform policy are suppressing free speech? Organised team sports must also be suppressing free speech.

I wouldn't mock Australia, the average Aussie has got it way better than the average American.

Schools that subjectively suppress an unpopular political statement are indeed suppressing free speech.

(05-24-2018, 08:48 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-24-2018, 05:58 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]I'm actually British thanks.

So schools with a uniform policy are suppressing free speech? Organised team sports must also be suppressing free speech.

I wouldn't mock Australia, the average Aussie has got it way better than the average American.

Schools that subjectively suppress an unpopular political statement are indeed suppressing free speech.

I agree - the border wall is unpopular.

(05-24-2018, 08:56 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-24-2018, 08:48 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Schools that subjectively suppress an unpopular political statement are indeed suppressing free speech.

I agree - the border wall is unpopular.

In Libland it is.

(05-24-2018, 05:58 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]I'm actually British thanks.

So schools with a uniform policy are suppressing free speech? Organised team sports must also be suppressing free speech.

I wouldn't mock Australia, the average Aussie has got it way better than the average American.

My apologies, thought you said you were from Brisbane. I further assumed because you constantly talk about how Australia compares to every other country, specifically the US.

(05-24-2018, 05:47 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry free speech is now a T-shirt?

You trumpettes are nuts.

The ACLU is supporting this student's Constitutional rights, and they would not be considered "Trumpettes" by any stretch of the imagination.
 

(05-24-2018, 05:58 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]So schools with a uniform policy are suppressing free speech? Organised team sports must also be suppressing free speech.

A school can have a uniform policy that would not be considered a violation of the First Amendment. For example, if all students were required to wear school uniforms, and then if a student were to wear a t-shirt instead of the uniform, he or she could be suspended and it would be very likely that the courts would rule in favor of the school. In cases where t-shirts with messages are allowed, however, it is considered a suppression of free speech if they allow some messages and not others. The courts have ruled that there are some exceptions to free speech, but it is unlikely that they would consider the message of this particular t-shirt as meeting the qualifications of those exceptions.

IMO, the First Amendment is the most important amendment in the Constitution and the rights it provides sets the US apart from most other nations.

(05-24-2018, 12:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]They gonna take that School Board to the cleaners.

I can't figure you out lately. Freedom of speech does not extend to schools. This is established. A shirt like that is going to raise tensions and instigate problems. You know it, I know it, the kid knew it, and the kid intended it. Anyone who wears political garbage to school knows it and intends for it to happen. A school has every right to determine what is and isn't allowed in student attire.

(05-24-2018, 08:48 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-24-2018, 05:58 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]I'm actually British thanks.

So schools with a uniform policy are suppressing free speech? Organised team sports must also be suppressing free speech.

I wouldn't mock Australia, the average Aussie has got it way better than the average American.

Schools that subjectively suppress an unpopular political statement are indeed suppressing free speech.

So, you're ok with a kid wearing this shirt to school?

(05-25-2018, 11:36 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-24-2018, 08:48 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Schools that subjectively suppress an unpopular political statement are indeed suppressing free speech.

So, you're ok with a kid wearing this shirt to school?

Sure, why not? The only thing really wrong in the school's eye is the use of the word "hella", but that kind of slang doesn't really fail the profanity or vulgarity tests anymore.

(05-25-2018, 11:20 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-24-2018, 12:34 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]They gonna take that School Board to the cleaners.

I can't figure you out lately. Freedom of speech does not extend to schools. This is established. A shirt like that is going to raise tensions and instigate problems. You know it, I know it, the kid knew it, and the kid intended it. Anyone who wears political garbage to school knows it and intends for it to happen. A school has every right to determine what is and isn't allowed in student attire.

Wow, you should catch up on 100 years of jurisprudence about the rights of students to free speech on campus.

“It can hardly be argued that either Teachers or Students shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech and expression at the schoolhouse gate.” - USSC, TInker v Des Moines, 1969

Even Justice Harlan, writing in the dissent, said that he would agree with the majority when the reason fro suppression was, "for example, a desire to prohibit the expression of an unpopular point of view, while permitting expression of the dominant opinion."

Public Schools are limited in their application of the reasonableness test, and we both know this t-shirt doesn't fail that test except in the unhinged minds of school administrators. They know it too, that's why they ran like scalded dogs to undo the punitive action against the student.