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(05-24-2018, 01:48 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...p-the-list

I found myself dreaming about the Jaguars DL the other day. I started picturing the sacks mounting as players would rotate in and keep getting them. At one point I distinctly say Taven plant a QB to the turf, but he came out after that play. Malik replaced him and did the same.

This group truly is impressive. When you watch Ngakoue you see textbook play at RDE. We've had more menacing pass rushers like Lags, Brackens, Smeenge, Mincey and Spicer, but none of these guys had that pure pass rush with the get off and bend and everything like Yannick. I've only seen as much from one player, and that was Bobby McCray during his 10 sack season. I remember thinking "textbook" with him too, but McCray was a major liability against the run.

As for Calais, I don't think he gets enough praise. He's so good we take it for granted that we don't even need to mention it, but straight up he's just about the greatest thing since sliced bread. He's doing his job at big end to perfection but tops that off like JJ Watt does by being a sack specialist the few RTs can even hang with. I was watching his latest video and it dawned on me just how deep his knowledge of the game is, and how naturally motivating he is. After he finally hangs up his cleats, I can picture him being a great head coach in this league.

Having said all this, I'm almost most excited about the step forward I'm anticipating from Marcell Dareus. Last year it was great how we suddenly could stuff RBs cold the day he took over, but he was saying how he was figuring out the system last year. He knows the system now, and he may now be in a better situation to be the player he was always meant to be. Marcell was thought to be a bit of an underachiever in Buffalo, but I sense him coming into his own in Duval and just wreaking havoc up front. 

Our starting four is enough to be considered the best defensive line in football, but our depth behind them is absolutely silly. Fowler, Jones, Bryan, and Smoot is probably better than a third of the league's starting four. To have all of them as backups is an insane luxury that I can't really remember any team having in recent memory.

Credit due to DL coach Marion Hobby,

https://twitter.com/mike_e_kaye/status/9...2475501568

I think Bryan will add a dimension to this team that will solidify this D line as the best in the NFL

(05-24-2018, 05:34 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-24-2018, 01:48 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...p-the-list

I found myself dreaming about the Jaguars DL the other day. I started picturing the sacks mounting as players would rotate in and keep getting them. At one point I distinctly say Taven plant a QB to the turf, but he came out after that play. Malik replaced him and did the same.

This group truly is impressive. When you watch Ngakoue you see textbook play at RDE. We've had more menacing pass rushers like Lags, Brackens, Smeenge, Mincey and Spicer, but none of these guys had that pure pass rush with the get off and bend and everything like Yannick. I've only seen as much from one player, and that was Bobby McCray during his 10 sack season. I remember thinking "textbook" with him too, but McCray was a major liability against the run.

As for Calais, I don't think he gets enough praise. He's so good we take it for granted that we don't even need to mention it, but straight up he's just about the greatest thing since sliced bread. He's doing his job at big end to perfection but tops that off like JJ Watt does by being a sack specialist the few RTs can even hang with. I was watching his latest video and it dawned on me just how deep his knowledge of the game is, and how naturally motivating he is. After he finally hangs up his cleats, I can picture him being a great head coach in this league.

Having said all this, I'm almost most excited about the step forward I'm anticipating from Marcell Dareus. Last year it was great how we suddenly could stuff RBs cold the day he took over, but he was saying how he was figuring out the system last year. He knows the system now, and he may now be in a better situation to be the player he was always meant to be. Marcell was thought to be a bit of an underachiever in Buffalo, but I sense him coming into his own in Duval and just wreaking havoc up front. 

There has to be something in the COC that prohibits people talking about themselves dreaming of mounting sacks.

(05-24-2018, 05:34 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-24-2018, 01:48 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...p-the-list

I found myself dreaming about the Jaguars DL the other day. I started picturing the sacks mounting as players would rotate in and keep getting them. At one point I distinctly say Taven plant a QB to the turf, but he came out after that play. Malik replaced him and did the same.

This group truly is impressive. When you watch Ngakoue you see textbook play at RDE. We've had more menacing pass rushers like Lags, Brackens, Smeenge, Mincey and Spicer, but none of these guys had that pure pass rush with the get off and bend and everything like Yannick. I've only seen as much from one player, and that was Bobby McCray during his 10 sack season. I remember thinking "textbook" with him too, but McCray was a major liability against the run.

As for Calais, I don't think he gets enough praise. He's so good we take it for granted that we don't even need to mention it, but straight up he's just about the greatest thing since sliced bread. He's doing his job at big end to perfection but tops that off like JJ Watt does by being a sack specialist the few RTs can even hang with. I was watching his latest video and it dawned on me just how deep his knowledge of the game is, and how naturally motivating he is. After he finally hangs up his cleats, I can picture him being a great head coach in this league.

Having said all this, I'm almost most excited about the step forward I'm anticipating from Marcell Dareus. Last year it was great how we suddenly could stuff RBs cold the day he took over, but he was saying how he was figuring out the system last year. He knows the system now, and he may now be in a better situation to be the player he was always meant to be. Marcell was thought to be a bit of an underachiever in Buffalo, but I sense him coming into his own in Duval and just wreaking havoc up front. 

I cannot believe you said Yannick and the 2010 version of Bobby McCray have a better get off then Brackens.
It sounds like you are short changing TB90. Lets not loose sight of how good Brackens was.
From get off, strip sacks, and his 5 INTs as a defensive end, you would take peak career Brackens over any one of the guys you mentioned above.

(05-27-2018, 10:52 AM)Teal Curtain Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-24-2018, 05:34 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]I found myself dreaming about the Jaguars DL the other day. I started picturing the sacks mounting as players would rotate in and keep getting them. At one point I distinctly say Taven plant a QB to the turf, but he came out after that play. Malik replaced him and did the same.

This group truly is impressive. When you watch Ngakoue you see textbook play at RDE. We've had more menacing pass rushers like Lags, Brackens, Smeenge, Mincey and Spicer, but none of these guys had that pure pass rush with the get off and bend and everything like Yannick. I've only seen as much from one player, and that was Bobby McCray during his 10 sack season. I remember thinking "textbook" with him too, but McCray was a major liability against the run.

As for Calais, I don't think he gets enough praise. He's so good we take it for granted that we don't even need to mention it, but straight up he's just about the greatest thing since sliced bread. He's doing his job at big end to perfection but tops that off like JJ Watt does by being a sack specialist the few RTs can even hang with. I was watching his latest video and it dawned on me just how deep his knowledge of the game is, and how naturally motivating he is. After he finally hangs up his cleats, I can picture him being a great head coach in this league.

Having said all this, I'm almost most excited about the step forward I'm anticipating from Marcell Dareus. Last year it was great how we suddenly could stuff RBs cold the day he took over, but he was saying how he was figuring out the system last year. He knows the system now, and he may now be in a better situation to be the player he was always meant to be. Marcell was thought to be a bit of an underachiever in Buffalo, but I sense him coming into his own in Duval and just wreaking havoc up front. 

I cannot believe you said Yannick and the 2010 version of Bobby McCray have a better get off then Brackens.
It sounds like you are short changing TB90. Lets not loose sight of how good Brackens was.
From get off, strip sacks, and his 5 INTs as a defensive end, you would take peak career Brackens over any one of the guys you mentioned above.

Brackens wasn't pure get off, speed and bend tho like McCray and Ngakoue. Brackens was a bigger guy who won with his hands, moves, power and everything else. I would take Brackens overall as I've long had him as one of the team's few best defensive players ever. I'm just saying when it comes to a textbook pass rush, it's hard to top Yannick who has a few strip sacks of his own. 

(05-27-2018, 02:22 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-27-2018, 10:52 AM)Teal Curtain Wrote: [ -> ]I cannot believe you said Yannick and the 2010 version of Bobby McCray have a better get off then Brackens.
It sounds like you are short changing TB90. Lets not loose sight of how good Brackens was.
From get off, strip sacks, and his 5 INTs as a defensive end, you would take peak career Brackens over any one of the guys you mentioned above.

Brackens wasn't pure get off, speed and bend tho like McCray and Ngakoue. Brackens was a bigger guy who won with his hands, moves, power and everything else. I would take Brackens overall as I've long had him as one of the team's few best defensive players ever. I'm just saying when it comes to a textbook pass rush, it's hard to top Yannick who has a few strip sacks of his own. 

1.  Brackens was definitely a speed rusher. He had an array of moves, but I would definitely put him in the speed rusher category.

2.  Brackens wasn't a "bigger guy."  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...acTo00.htm  He was 267 lbs, which wasn't much bigger than McCray (261).  I guess when I think "bigger guy" for a DE, I think 280 lbs+.

I agree with you that people here tend to vastly underrate Brackens and his contributions to the Jaguars.  I would say that at the rate Ngakoue is trending, Ngakoue may well pass Brackens as an impact pass rusher.  But Brackens remains one of my all time favorites.  Without him even as a part time player, we definitely don't make that run in 1996.

(05-26-2018, 09:00 AM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]I think Bryan will add a dimension to this team that will solidify this D line as the best in the NFL

I think he has a chance to be the best rookie we drafted this year and push for defensive rookie of the year. One drawback to his achieving those goals will be how much playing time he will get with such a stacked D line. With the power to take on double teams and his explosive first step, he just may get into the rotation faster then we think. We will know much more when the pads go just what he brings to the D line

(06-01-2018, 09:44 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-27-2018, 02:22 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]Brackens wasn't pure get off, speed and bend tho like McCray and Ngakoue. Brackens was a bigger guy who won with his hands, moves, power and everything else. I would take Brackens overall as I've long had him as one of the team's few best defensive players ever. I'm just saying when it comes to a textbook pass rush, it's hard to top Yannick who has a few strip sacks of his own. 

1.  Brackens was definitely a speed rusher. He had an array of moves, but I would definitely put him in the speed rusher category.

2.  Brackens wasn't a "bigger guy."  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/p...acTo00.htm  He was 267 lbs, which wasn't much bigger than McCray (261).  I guess when I think "bigger guy" for a DE, I think 280 lbs+.

I agree with you that people here tend to vastly underrate Brackens and his contributions to the Jaguars.  I would say that at the rate Ngakoue is trending, Ngakoue may well pass Brackens as an impact pass rusher.  But Brackens remains one of my all time favorites.  Without him even as a part time player, we definitely don't make that run in 1996.

Brackens was the man. Ngakoue kind of reminds me of him technique wise when he gets one of his arms around the QB he's using the other free hand to do that crazy "tomahawk" like swing to jar the ball loose. Brackens made a good habit out of that.

The combination of talent, versatility, and depth of the Jaguars Defensive Line puts the unit at or very near the top of NFL D-Lines. The Vikings starting Defensive Line looks great on paper. But they don't have the quality of depth the Jaguars have.

(06-08-2018, 09:18 AM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]The combination of talent, versatility, and depth of the Jaguars Defensive Line puts the unit at or very near the top of NFL D-Lines.   The Vikings starting Defensive Line looks great on paper.   But they don't have the quality of depth the Jaguars have.

I think you can make a case for either the Jags, Eagles, or Vikings as the best DL in the league. Regardless of who you want to put at #1, they're without a doubt the top 3 DLs in the league. 

The Rams are up there also, but after trading Quinn, I honestly can't think of a stand out edge rusher that they have on that roster. They got incredible DT talent though with Donald, Suh and Brockers.

We have above average starters and great depth. I think if we were to be the top D-line it depends on how fast Bryan progresses. If he is productive then we are for sure the best D-line in the NFL. We can swarm the QB from any angle. I think Aaron Donald is the best defensive lineman in the league and the Rams have a really good defensive line. I think we're close to them.

Brackens is still by far the best defensive player in team history. Also he was a 2nd round pick out of Texas so we got crazy value in the drafting aspect.

Tony Brackens had a good tactic that I picked up on when I was about 12 years old. I used to watch just him on defense because I wanted to understand how he is always blowing plays up. He used to pick up on the cadence better than anybody.

There were tons of plays where I thought he was offside. But he wasn't, he just timed the play perfectly.

He would always put his hand on the QB to sack him and then swing downwards with his right hand and force a fumble.

I remember vividly against the Ravens during a night game where he has a sack, a strip, and forced fumble, an interception, and a touchdown all in 1 game. In was in the year of 2000. He dominated that game.

I think he has 55 sacks but he was injured and never played much after that. Almost 18 years ago and his sack record held up at 12 until Calias had 14.5 in 2017

And his 55 career sacks still stand to this day.

Yannick is a fantastic defensive player, but he has a lot of sacks to go before he is in the same league as Brackens. He has the tools to get there.

I love talking about our four fathers and Jaguar football of the 90s. I watched every game and I can recall hundreds of plays and outcomes.

Off topic, but if you wanna see some cool stuff research Jimmy Smith's catch on the 1 centimeter line as time expired and we almost beat New England. I think it was 1996.

We went to overtime and lost but I think it's on YouTube. You might have to watch the entire game though.

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(06-08-2018, 09:31 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-08-2018, 09:18 AM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]The combination of talent, versatility, and depth of the Jaguars Defensive Line puts the unit at or very near the top of NFL D-Lines.   The Vikings starting Defensive Line looks great on paper.   But they don't have the quality of depth the Jaguars have.

I think you can make a case for either the Jags, Eagles, or Vikings as the best DL in the league. Regardless of who you want to put at #1, they're without a doubt the top 3 DLs in the league. 

The Rams are up there also, but after trading Quinn, I honestly can't think of a stand out edge rusher that they have on that roster. They got incredible DT talent though with Donald, Suh and Brockers.

I completely agree with you.  

The Vikings would currently be 3rd on my list.   The Jaguars and Eagles appear have more D-Line quality depth.

At this time,  the Jaguars would be a little ahead of the Eagles on my list because of the question marks associated with Michael Bennett ( character related ) and Haloti Ngata turning 34 ( and coming off a season ending bicep injury ).  Though Taven Bryan can be classified as a question mark because he's unproven in the NFL,  his versatility upfront adds to his value. 

For what it's worth,  I give Tom Coughlin and co. major credit for drafting Bryan with pick # 29 despite the Jags D-Line already being a team strength.  Things can change quickly in the NFL,  as well have seen repeatedly.   Depth / viable options on the Defensive Line is something that I believe should be a priority when building an NFL team.   The same regarding CBs.