06-11-2018, 08:07 PM
(06-11-2018, 07:47 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]What are the ridiculous laws?
It’s a rather long list of self made laws and EU adopted ones. My favorites are the stop and search, anti-porn,and new knife laws.
(06-11-2018, 07:47 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]What are the ridiculous laws?
(06-11-2018, 08:26 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Can you tell us more about the laws and why you don't agree with them?Appreciate your deflection and no. There is no opinion I can provide that would make a lick of sense to someone who believes keeping a screwdriver or pliers out of the hands of a kid is a vital component to public safety.
(06-11-2018, 08:43 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]So it's something you've picked up off someone like Hannity?Certainly not the way to “improve the discussion” as you put it. FYI, not everyone reads or watches mainstream news outlets. Speaking of unoriginal thought, the whole Fox versus CNN or any other outlet is just old and plain worn out. Adopt another shtick. My choosing not to share a further response has zero to do with lack of substance and is a polite way of letting you know our opinions will obviously not align and I do not wish to partake in useless bickering that detracts even further from the original post. Boy, these “discussions” get childish in a hurry. I’ll bow out.
Shame, thought we were going to improve the discussion but it's just some soundbite or blog you are parroting.
(06-11-2018, 04:27 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ](06-11-2018, 12:24 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Of course gun control laws won't work if you can drive a few miles into Indiana and buy a gun with less restriction.
That is not how it works unless you are just wanting a BB gun. The ATF website and your states sheriff or agriculture website will break down the requirements and legalities for ya.
(06-13-2018, 07:05 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ](06-11-2018, 04:27 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]That is not how it works unless you are just wanting a BB gun. The ATF website and your states sheriff or agriculture website will break down the requirements and legalities for ya.
Do you dispute this report? It quotes an ATF agent, btw.
(06-13-2018, 07:55 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ](06-13-2018, 07:05 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Do you dispute this report? It quotes an ATF agent, btw.
The assumption was that you meant legal purchases. Dispute what? That there are people illegally acquiring guns? Precisely why when we hear the term "common sense gun control," logical folks cringe. If the surrounding states don't suffer from the same gun-related violence with fewer restrictions, it sounds like law enforcement vs. crime problem, not a gun problem. Criminals are gonna criminal!
I wonder if these initiatives had any effect? Probably not.
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the...d-make-our
(06-13-2018, 09:16 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]I love how people on here think that being an [BLEEP] reinforces a point. Usually means they are all out of any type of reasoning. Anyways, the one reason you provided is nonsensical and does not remotely establish causation.(06-13-2018, 07:55 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]The assumption was that you meant legal purchases. Dispute what? That there are people illegally acquiring guns? Precisely why when we hear the term "common sense gun control," logical folks cringe. If the surrounding states don't suffer from the same gun-related violence with fewer restrictions, it sounds like law enforcement vs. crime problem, not a gun problem. Criminals are gonna criminal!
I wonder if these initiatives had any effect? Probably not.
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the...d-make-our
My point, from which you deflect, was lax or ineffective gun control laws in an adjoining state render local laws ineffective. The topic of this thread was that, despite strict gun control laws, gun violence was out of control in Chicago. I merely pointed out one reason why that may be true.
I'm pretty sure your arms flailed just a little when responding and, true to form, you invoked Obama. Always invoke Obama, it's in the playbook.
(06-13-2018, 09:16 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ](06-13-2018, 07:55 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]The assumption was that you meant legal purchases. Dispute what? That there are people illegally acquiring guns? Precisely why when we hear the term "common sense gun control," logical folks cringe. If the surrounding states don't suffer from the same gun-related violence with fewer restrictions, it sounds like law enforcement vs. crime problem, not a gun problem. Criminals are gonna criminal!
I wonder if these initiatives had any effect? Probably not.
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the...d-make-our
My point, from which you deflect, was lax or ineffective gun control laws in an adjoining state render local laws ineffective. The topic of this thread was that, despite strict gun control laws, gun violence was out of control in Chicago. I merely pointed out one reason why that may be true.
I'm pretty sure your arms flailed just a little when responding and, true to form, you invoked Obama. Always invoke Obama, it's in the playbook.
(06-13-2018, 10:16 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]I did not look at your link but what I do know is that you can not legally buy a handgun in a state that you are not a citizen of and take possession in that state, perhaps maybe from a private seller, but not from a gun shop...In some states you can buy shotguns and rifles as a non resident, but most of the laws say you have to have a federally licensed firearms dealer in the state you are purchasing the firearm in, send the firearm to another federally licensed firearm dealer in your state of residence where you can pick it up...You still have the same federal and state BG checks and waiting period before approval to buy the gun...So if you want to buy a firearm in Indiana and ship it to Chicago you it's probably going to be a pain in the [BLEEP], if it can even done...As I said above private purchases may be different, and gun shows always have major loop holes in them too, but with an Illinois ID, you aren't going to be buying a gun in Indiana and taking it back home to Chicago(06-13-2018, 09:16 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]My point, from which you deflect, was lax or ineffective gun control laws in an adjoining state render local laws ineffective. The topic of this thread was that, despite strict gun control laws, gun violence was out of control in Chicago. I merely pointed out one reason why that may be true.I love how people on here think that being an [BLEEP] reinforces a point. Usually means they are all out of any type of reasoning. Anyways, the one reason you provided is nonsensical and does not remotely establish causation.
I'm pretty sure your arms flailed just a little when responding and, true to form, you invoked Obama. Always invoke Obama, it's in the playbook.
So you used a story from 2014 to support your point that lax or ineffective gun controls laws are the issue? Why ignore current laws? Also, don't ignore the fact that the single largest supplier (40%) of illegal firearms in Chicago is actually Illinois. In general, the issue is that criminals don't care about laws and then you deflect from the fact that the adjoining states with these so-called "weak" laws aren't suffering the same fate.
I provided merely one bit of executive material, regardless of who was President. The Trump / Obama / Hillary / Fox News / CNN thing is getting old. If you read just that one fact sheet I provided, you may be able to educate yourself by going down the rabbit hole. You'll find tons of material that addresses your "issue" and many others. Feel free to review the gun control/law repository that is the ATF. A link was provided earlier.
(06-14-2018, 06:27 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Probably because poverty is a big trigger. Canada and Switzerland can probably handle the guns better due to their people being wealthier.
(06-14-2018, 06:27 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Probably because poverty is a big trigger. Canada and Switzerland can probably handle the guns better due to their people being wealthier.
(06-14-2018, 10:37 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ](06-14-2018, 06:27 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Probably because poverty is a big trigger. Canada and Switzerland can probably handle the guns better due to their people being wealthier.
So you're just a troll looking for validation on the internet.
Now I get it.
(06-14-2018, 10:44 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ](06-14-2018, 10:37 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]So you're just a troll looking for validation on the internet.
Now I get it.
Sorry, but citizens of Canada and Switzerland are less likely to be impoverished.
As far as I'm aware? Tell me If my statement is wrong. I don't get my news from Hannity so I may be mistaken.