08-03-2018, 04:50 PM
looked like he was. The parking lot was empty. After he drew the weapon he was never in any danger. In fact I'm not sure he was ever in any real danger.
(08-03-2018, 04:50 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]looked like he was. The parking lot was empty. After he drew the weapon he was never in any danger. In fact I'm not sure he was ever in any real danger.
(08-03-2018, 05:54 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ](08-03-2018, 04:50 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]looked like he was. The parking lot was empty. After he drew the weapon he was never in any danger. In fact I'm not sure he was ever in any real danger.
Yeah, you're right. Being physically assaulted is hardly considered a threat.
(08-03-2018, 04:50 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]looked like he was. The parking lot was empty. After he drew the weapon he was never in any danger. In fact I'm not sure he was ever in any real danger.
(08-03-2018, 06:15 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Wow a push really horrible assault that! Good thing for Ramsey that AJ Green wasn't carrying hey.
(08-03-2018, 06:46 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]I do feel you would be saying the opposite if the races were reversed unfortunately.
(08-03-2018, 06:35 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ](08-03-2018, 04:50 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]looked like he was. The parking lot was empty. After he drew the weapon he was never in any danger. In fact I'm not sure he was ever in any real danger.
(08-03-2018, 06:15 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Wow a push really horrible assault that! Good thing for Ramsey that AJ Green wasn't carrying hey.
He was knocked to the ground. And it wasn't a simple push, either. Dude's feet almost left the ground.
Besides, he advanced on him before Drejka pulled the gun. He had every intention to continue attacking Drejka. The law only requires a reasonable person to believe they'll be seriously injured. If he thinks he's going to get his [BLEEP] handed to him, then he has reason to believe it. You can diminish what happened, but it only takes a moment to go from being pushed to the ground to being kicked in the head.
(08-09-2018, 12:29 PM)Gettin\ Jaggy with it Wrote: [ -> ](08-03-2018, 06:35 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]He was knocked to the ground. And it wasn't a simple push, either. Dude's feet almost left the ground.
Besides, he advanced on him before Drejka pulled the gun. He had every intention to continue attacking Drejka. The law only requires a reasonable person to believe they'll be seriously injured. If he thinks he's going to get his [BLEEP] handed to him, then he has reason to believe it. You can diminish what happened, but it only takes a moment to go from being pushed to the ground to being kicked in the head.
That's half of it. But the other half is that the person must reasonably believe that the use or threat of the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm. Since the attacker had already taken four steps back due to the threat of deadly force (pulling the gun), is it reasonable to think that deadly force was then necessary? Maybe, maybe not. I would love to have the courts decide.
Drejka's past incidents tell me he is a hothead looking for confrontation.
(08-09-2018, 12:45 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ](08-09-2018, 12:29 PM)Gettin\ Jaggy with it Wrote: [ -> ]That's half of it. But the other half is that the person must reasonably believe that the use or threat of the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm. Since the attacker had already taken four steps back due to the threat of deadly force (pulling the gun), is it reasonable to think that deadly force was then necessary? Maybe, maybe not. I would love to have the courts decide.
Drejka's past incidents tell me he is a hothead looking for confrontation.
Of course it has to be necessary, but that's the argument we're having here.
It looks like 2 or 3 to me and he then he stops. That distance is more than enough to advance and attack Drejka again. There's study after study that shows that the attacker almost always has the advantage. In this case, McGlockton steps back a couple steps and stops. After being attacked by McGlokton, seeing McGlokton continue toward Drejka as though he wanted to continue attacking, I find it reasonable to assume McGlokton still wants to attack him no matter if it's 2 or 3 steps away from Drejka.
Can we use McGlockton's history against him too?
(08-09-2018, 12:45 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ](08-09-2018, 12:29 PM)Gettin\ Jaggy with it Wrote: [ -> ]That's half of it. But the other half is that the person must reasonably believe that the use or threat of the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm. Since the attacker had already taken four steps back due to the threat of deadly force (pulling the gun), is it reasonable to think that deadly force was then necessary? Maybe, maybe not. I would love to have the courts decide.
Drejka's past incidents tell me he is a hothead looking for confrontation.
Of course it has to be necessary, but that's the argument we're having here.
It looks like 2 or 3 to me and he then he stops. That distance is more than enough to advance and attack Drejka again. There's study after study that shows that the attacker almost always has the advantage. In this case, McGlockton steps back a couple steps and stops. After being attacked by McGlokton, seeing McGlokton continue toward Drejka as though he wanted to continue attacking, I find it reasonable to assume McGlokton still wants to attack him no matter if it's 2 or 3 steps away from Drejka.
Can we use McGlockton's history against him too?
(08-13-2018, 01:07 PM)Gettin\ Jaggy with it Wrote: [ -> ]Drejka has been charged with manslaughter.
(08-13-2018, 05:21 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]The guy sounds like a menace. This event was just a matter of time.(08-13-2018, 01:07 PM)Gettin\ Jaggy with it Wrote: [ -> ]Drejka has been charged with manslaughter.
Dude seems to have some issues..... I know you're only supposed to prosecute the crime which has been presented before the court but his documented behavior is similar enough to this incident as to show habitual behavior. Only this time someone actually was shot and killed. And the documented cases are just the known ones. How many times has this guy terrorized people?
"Drejka has remained largely a mystery to the public in the weeks since the shooting. The Tampa Bay Times reported last week that he has been the accused aggressor in four incidents since 2012. He was not arrested in any of the cases and does not have a criminal history in Florida.
His arrest warrant notes three out of four of the prior cases. Two were road rage incidents documented by law enforcement in which he was accused of showing a gun. A third was an argument a few months ago over the same parking space in which Drejka confronted another man, Rick Kelly, and threatened to shoot him. A fourth report found by the Times described an incident in which Drejka braked in front of a woman with two children in her car."
(08-13-2018, 05:21 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]The more that comes out the more I think he needs to be prosecuted. The guy is trying to use the letter of the law to indulge/ hide an aggressive personality disorder(08-13-2018, 01:07 PM)Gettin\ Jaggy with it Wrote: [ -> ]Drejka has been charged with manslaughter.
Dude seems to have some issues..... I know you're only supposed to prosecute the crime which has been presented before the court but his documented behavior is similar enough to this incident as to show habitual behavior. Only this time someone actually was shot and killed. And the documented cases are just the known ones. How many times has this guy terrorized people?
"Drejka has remained largely a mystery to the public in the weeks since the shooting. The Tampa Bay Times reported last week that he has been the accused aggressor in four incidents since 2012. He was not arrested in any of the cases and does not have a criminal history in Florida.
His arrest warrant notes three out of four of the prior cases. Two were road rage incidents documented by law enforcement in which he was accused of showing a gun. A third was an argument a few months ago over the same parking space in which Drejka confronted another man, Rick Kelly, and threatened to shoot him. A fourth report found by the Times described an incident in which Drejka braked in front of a woman with two children in her car."
(08-14-2018, 09:05 AM)Dumptruck Wrote: [ -> ](08-13-2018, 05:21 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Dude seems to have some issues..... I know you're only supposed to prosecute the crime which has been presented before the court but his documented behavior is similar enough to this incident as to show habitual behavior. Only this time someone actually was shot and killed. And the documented cases are just the known ones. How many times has this guy terrorized people?The guy sounds like a menace. This event was just a matter of time.
"Drejka has remained largely a mystery to the public in the weeks since the shooting. The Tampa Bay Times reported last week that he has been the accused aggressor in four incidents since 2012. He was not arrested in any of the cases and does not have a criminal history in Florida.
His arrest warrant notes three out of four of the prior cases. Two were road rage incidents documented by law enforcement in which he was accused of showing a gun. A third was an argument a few months ago over the same parking space in which Drejka confronted another man, Rick Kelly, and threatened to shoot him. A fourth report found by the Times described an incident in which Drejka braked in front of a woman with two children in her car."
(08-14-2018, 07:05 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Bit quiet from the people desperate to pretend the shooter was the ultimate victim.
Seems to have been desperate for confrontation which was obvious from the video anyway in an empty parking lot. I bet we find out he was threatening use of his gun to the woman when he got pushed too.