08-21-2018, 05:47 AM
08-21-2018, 06:52 AM
We all knew this.
It’s time to move on
It’s time to move on
08-21-2018, 07:25 AM
08-21-2018, 07:33 AM
I don’t think he needed to be overly aggressive at that point, but don’t kneel out the half. Run Fournette a couple of times and see if he pops a 10 yard+ run and then call a time out and re-evaluate the situation. If Fournette or whoever gets nothing out of the attempts and the half runs out, no one is saying anything about that part of the game right now. I’m sure Marrone realizes this.
08-21-2018, 07:55 AM
The failure to use Grant in the second half was inexcusable. Marrone will not repeat his AFCCG caution. Jack wasn't down, no PI on Bouye, and terrible call on Church hit on Gronk.
And, Chung held WRs/TEs on every pass play.
And, Chung held WRs/TEs on every pass play.
08-21-2018, 08:12 AM
Going conservative on offense was attempt to bleed clock. Bad play choices. The injuries the defense suffered forced a bad situation of soft zone. Brady will pick that apart all day, everyday. Just wasn’t our time.
08-21-2018, 09:17 AM
(08-21-2018, 05:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Hindsight is 20-20. They tried something, it didn't work, therefore, they shouldn't have done it. Ho hum. Time to move on.
Hindsight is only 20-20 if you pay attention. The OC tried the same thing that didn't work over and over. Three consecutive run-run-pass-punt series in the 4th quarter. Even with hindsight available the play calling was bad.
And it wasn't just the offense. The Jags only blitzed one time in the 4th quarter, and it resulted in a hurried incompletion. You'd think that that would suggest we try at least one more blitz, perhaps on 3rd and long?
The refs were bad, and the play calling was bad on both offense and defense. A change in any one of those three facets would have resulted in a Jags victory.
08-21-2018, 09:52 AM
Pederson doesn't comprehend the Patriots made the necessary adjustments to shut down Leonard. We needed WAY more than 76 yard rushing out of Fournette to beat Tom Brady.
Corey Grant was ALSO shut down. He had 1 carry for 2 yards.
So, actually the opposite is true. The Jaguars offense was WAY TOO open as New England successfully took away what the Jaguars do best...run the football. Bortles was looking deep on just about every pass play. He wasted a lot of offensive plays trying to hit deep balls on first down, if I recall it correctly.
There was an inexcusable delay of game penalty on Bortles late in the second quarter immediately followed by a sack on Bortles. That led to a two-minute Patriots' drive capped by a touchdown to just about end the half.
We had :55 seconds to work with, and Bortles took a knee twice. Ironically, Bortles is a pretty nifty QB in hurry-up offense. He could have answered the Pats late TD drive with at least a FG.
The Jaguars weren't scared. New England successfully shut down our strength.
Corey Grant was ALSO shut down. He had 1 carry for 2 yards.
So, actually the opposite is true. The Jaguars offense was WAY TOO open as New England successfully took away what the Jaguars do best...run the football. Bortles was looking deep on just about every pass play. He wasted a lot of offensive plays trying to hit deep balls on first down, if I recall it correctly.
There was an inexcusable delay of game penalty on Bortles late in the second quarter immediately followed by a sack on Bortles. That led to a two-minute Patriots' drive capped by a touchdown to just about end the half.
We had :55 seconds to work with, and Bortles took a knee twice. Ironically, Bortles is a pretty nifty QB in hurry-up offense. He could have answered the Pats late TD drive with at least a FG.
The Jaguars weren't scared. New England successfully shut down our strength.
08-21-2018, 09:53 AM
(08-21-2018, 05:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Hindsight is 20-20. ...
Yes, but a little foresight never hurt anyone.
The roadmap to beating the pats has been out there for some time now and it does not involve conservative play-calling. Our own football czar did it by relentlessly pressuring Brady with the giants, yet we didn't do that despite having the horses to send after him. I find that to be a mistake. As well as the kneel with 50 seconds, and the abandoning of the two back set with Grant that the pats clearly couldn't defend well.
These things didn't require an ounce of hindsight to realize during the game.
(08-21-2018, 09:52 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Pederson doesn't comprehend the Patriots made the necessary adjustments to shut down Leonard. We needed WAY more than 76 yard rushing out of Fournette to beat Tom Brady.It's not so simple as "they shut down Leonard." We stopped running out of a multiple look that made them defend two backs and 3 receivers and began running single back power formations that allowed them to stack the box.
Corey Grant was ALSO shut down. He had 1 carry for 2 yards.
Grant only had one carry late because the Jags simply didn't have him on the field anymore.
08-21-2018, 10:02 AM
(08-21-2018, 09:52 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Pederson doesn't comprehend the Patriots made the necessary adjustments to shut down Leonard. We needed WAY more than 76 yard rushing out of Fournette to beat Tom Brady.
Corey Grant was ALSO shut down. He had 1 carry for 2 yards.
So, actually the opposite is true. The Jaguars offense was WAY TOO open as New England successfully took away what the Jaguars do best...run the football. Bortles was looking deep on just about every pass play. He wasted a lot of offensive plays trying to hit deep balls on first down, if I recall it correctly.
There was an inexcusable delay of game penalty on Bortles late in the second quarter immediately followed by a sack on Bortles. That led to a two-minute Patriots' drive capped by a touchdown to just about end the half.
We had :55 seconds to work with, and Bortles took a knee twice. Ironically, Bortles is a pretty nifty QB in hurry-up offense. He could have answered the Pats late TD drive with at least a FG.
The Jaguars weren't scared. New England successfully shut down our strength.
It's hard to get carries when you're on the bench.
08-21-2018, 11:18 AM
(08-21-2018, 09:53 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ](08-21-2018, 05:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Hindsight is 20-20. ...
Yes, but a little foresight never hurt anyone.
The roadmap to beating the pats has been out there for some time now and it does not involve conservative play-calling. Our own football czar did it by relentlessly pressuring Brady with the giants, yet we didn't do that despite having the horses to send after him. I find that to be a mistake. As well as the kneel with 50 seconds, and the abandoning of the two back set with Grant that the pats clearly couldn't defend well.
These things didn't require an ounce of hindsight to realize during the game.
(08-21-2018, 09:52 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Pederson doesn't comprehend the Patriots made the necessary adjustments to shut down Leonard. We needed WAY more than 76 yard rushing out of Fournette to beat Tom Brady.It's not so simple as "they shut down Leonard." We stopped running out of a multiple look that made them defend two backs and 3 receivers and began running single back power formations that allowed them to stack the box.
Corey Grant was ALSO shut down. He had 1 carry for 2 yards.
Grant only had one carry late because the Jags simply didn't have him on the field anymore.
Actually, to split hairs, it's kind of hard to say ANYTHING the Jaguars' offense did was WRONG. What if that throw to Westbrook was completed?
08-21-2018, 11:27 AM
(08-21-2018, 11:18 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ](08-21-2018, 09:53 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, but a little foresight never hurt anyone.
The roadmap to beating the pats has been out there for some time now and it does not involve conservative play-calling. Our own football czar did it by relentlessly pressuring Brady with the giants, yet we didn't do that despite having the horses to send after him. I find that to be a mistake. As well as the kneel with 50 seconds, and the abandoning of the two back set with Grant that the pats clearly couldn't defend well.
These things didn't require an ounce of hindsight to realize during the game.
It's not so simple as "they shut down Leonard." We stopped running out of a multiple look that made them defend two backs and 3 receivers and began running single back power formations that allowed them to stack the box.
Grant only had one carry late because the Jags simply didn't have him on the field anymore.
Actually, to split hairs, it's kind of hard to say ANYTHING the Jaguars' offense did was WRONG. What if that throw to Westbrook was completed?
It was underthrown - but a good play-call in that situation. Almost worked.
I think they did plenty wrong from :50 before halftime up until that pass. They went conservative and it cost them. The run strategy in the first half compared to the second half was night and day. They screwed up by going from what was very effective to something much easier to defend.
08-21-2018, 01:19 PM
I actually didn't have much of a problem with the kneel before the end of first half. Woud have I tried to run something and see what happens? Yeah, of course.
But I get why they did that, we were supposed to be up by a much wider margin and the refs just handed them 7 points with almost 60 yards of penalties. We [BLEEP] up anything at the end of that first half and it would get ugly real quick. Instead we knew we were going to have the ball back at the start of first half and nothing was gained, but not even compromised.
Thing is that with all of the possibly predictable playcalling, mistakes etc, we were up 10 points in the 4th quarter and with the absurd Myles Jack whistle we would have been up 17 points in the fourth possibly discussing a coaching masterpiece.
Like others pointed out I also wanted to see them at least trying those 2RBs formations and all that like in the first half but maybe they saw something different. I don't know. That's as much on them for not trying those formation again as much as it's a credit to them because prior to the Patriots game we never saw those Grant/Fournette formation and they played it brililantly to surprise the Patriots.
Also in the 4th quarter field position was quite horrible and as much as Blake played well in the game we know how ugly it can get fast with a bad decision/throw. If they came out passing on a first down and he got INT in our own territory people would have ripped them for that.
And as much as the playcalling was preditctable unfortuantely the execution wasn't good enough. Oline started being suspect (remember for exemple when they attempted the flea flicker on 1st down to go with a deep shot? Omameh was beaten badly right at the line of scrimmage and Bortles had to scramble and settle for a short pass to Hurns, the Oline wasn't holding up that good anymore towards the last part of the game), Bortles got away in a couple of situations with risky throws, Marcedes was mugged on 2 crucial third downs and the refs just didn't throw a damn flag, Bortles didn't see/preferred not to throw to a open Hurns (or was it Westbrook) for a good gain on one of those 3rd downs.It was a combination of things.
While the offense got predictable but I can understand some of the reasons for that, I have a bigger regret over the defense: they were fresh, the offense kept Brady on the bench for so long but we started playing more soft zone, refused to blitz or attack Brady with some creative packages and players didn't execute properly.
What Tashaun Gipson (who played badly injured) said at the start of training camp about that 3rd&18 was quite telling: he said he got a bit relaxed cause he thought that with 3rd &18 Brady would never get the ball out in time with our Dline and was surprised when he managed to avoid pressure and reacted late to the throw to Amendola which they completed right on his face.
A lot of things went wrong on that 3&18 from the way we chose to defend, the rushing package we sent to Brady, the refs not calling any holding and so on. But you can't have a player relaxing even for a second in a situation like that.
And let's not forget that while we managed to escape injuries on the entire season on the defense we suddenly were with Campbell, Ngakoue banged up, Jack out of the game, Dareus out of the game, Gipson banged up. It was the worst timing.
That 4th quarter comeback was a perfect storm: predictable playcalling, horrible officiating, poor execution, elite QB as your opponent. Only needed a couple more first downs and the clock keeps running, we can punt the ball deep in their territory instead of doing it from almost our endzone with Nortman shanking it and the game goes probably another way.
Actually, more than the offense, we just needed that best pass defense in the league to defend a damn 3&18 and this game is probably over.
Personally my main regret is not using Blake legs more (first game I think where he didn't have a single run), the predictable playcalling in the series right after the Myles Jack fumble recovery and defense going soft. This last one especially as it happened other times, when we have a bigger lead we tend to give a lot of cushion. You can do that with average QB's, can't do that against elite QB's.
Hopefully the coaching staff learned from this, hopefully players will play better to close the game and hopefully we won't have to overcome that bad of an officiating as well.
But I get why they did that, we were supposed to be up by a much wider margin and the refs just handed them 7 points with almost 60 yards of penalties. We [BLEEP] up anything at the end of that first half and it would get ugly real quick. Instead we knew we were going to have the ball back at the start of first half and nothing was gained, but not even compromised.
Thing is that with all of the possibly predictable playcalling, mistakes etc, we were up 10 points in the 4th quarter and with the absurd Myles Jack whistle we would have been up 17 points in the fourth possibly discussing a coaching masterpiece.
Like others pointed out I also wanted to see them at least trying those 2RBs formations and all that like in the first half but maybe they saw something different. I don't know. That's as much on them for not trying those formation again as much as it's a credit to them because prior to the Patriots game we never saw those Grant/Fournette formation and they played it brililantly to surprise the Patriots.
Also in the 4th quarter field position was quite horrible and as much as Blake played well in the game we know how ugly it can get fast with a bad decision/throw. If they came out passing on a first down and he got INT in our own territory people would have ripped them for that.
And as much as the playcalling was preditctable unfortuantely the execution wasn't good enough. Oline started being suspect (remember for exemple when they attempted the flea flicker on 1st down to go with a deep shot? Omameh was beaten badly right at the line of scrimmage and Bortles had to scramble and settle for a short pass to Hurns, the Oline wasn't holding up that good anymore towards the last part of the game), Bortles got away in a couple of situations with risky throws, Marcedes was mugged on 2 crucial third downs and the refs just didn't throw a damn flag, Bortles didn't see/preferred not to throw to a open Hurns (or was it Westbrook) for a good gain on one of those 3rd downs.It was a combination of things.
While the offense got predictable but I can understand some of the reasons for that, I have a bigger regret over the defense: they were fresh, the offense kept Brady on the bench for so long but we started playing more soft zone, refused to blitz or attack Brady with some creative packages and players didn't execute properly.
What Tashaun Gipson (who played badly injured) said at the start of training camp about that 3rd&18 was quite telling: he said he got a bit relaxed cause he thought that with 3rd &18 Brady would never get the ball out in time with our Dline and was surprised when he managed to avoid pressure and reacted late to the throw to Amendola which they completed right on his face.
A lot of things went wrong on that 3&18 from the way we chose to defend, the rushing package we sent to Brady, the refs not calling any holding and so on. But you can't have a player relaxing even for a second in a situation like that.
And let's not forget that while we managed to escape injuries on the entire season on the defense we suddenly were with Campbell, Ngakoue banged up, Jack out of the game, Dareus out of the game, Gipson banged up. It was the worst timing.
That 4th quarter comeback was a perfect storm: predictable playcalling, horrible officiating, poor execution, elite QB as your opponent. Only needed a couple more first downs and the clock keeps running, we can punt the ball deep in their territory instead of doing it from almost our endzone with Nortman shanking it and the game goes probably another way.
Actually, more than the offense, we just needed that best pass defense in the league to defend a damn 3&18 and this game is probably over.
Personally my main regret is not using Blake legs more (first game I think where he didn't have a single run), the predictable playcalling in the series right after the Myles Jack fumble recovery and defense going soft. This last one especially as it happened other times, when we have a bigger lead we tend to give a lot of cushion. You can do that with average QB's, can't do that against elite QB's.
Hopefully the coaching staff learned from this, hopefully players will play better to close the game and hopefully we won't have to overcome that bad of an officiating as well.
08-21-2018, 01:32 PM
(08-20-2018, 02:03 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]He's not wrong. When I saw the gutless decision to sit on the ball at the end of the half I had a bad feeling that the team had stopped playing to win and started playing not to lose.
Seldomrite, yet, u are spot on.
08-21-2018, 02:23 PM
Lol @ Marrone's response... I read a book over the summer...the subtle art of not giving a [BLEEP]
08-21-2018, 02:27 PM
(08-21-2018, 02:23 PM)Hard_Eight Wrote: [ -> ]Lol @ Marrone's response... I read a book over the summer...the subtle art of not giving a [BLEEP]
Clever how he snuck that in there without actually naming the title.
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08-21-2018, 05:50 PM
(08-21-2018, 02:27 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ](08-21-2018, 02:23 PM)Hard_Eight Wrote: [ -> ]Lol @ Marrone's response... I read a book over the summer...the subtle art of not giving a [BLEEP]
Clever how he snuck that in there without actually naming the title.
Absolute cerebral assassin. Doug is the man!
08-21-2018, 07:40 PM
Doug Marrone doesn't care about Pederson's remarks
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ns-remarks
Jaguars coach Doug Marrone didn't take issue with statements from Eagles coach Doug Pederson critical of how Jacksonville managed the clock in its AFC Championship Game loss to the Patriots.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ns-remarks
Jaguars coach Doug Marrone didn't take issue with statements from Eagles coach Doug Pederson critical of how Jacksonville managed the clock in its AFC Championship Game loss to the Patriots.
08-21-2018, 07:44 PM
Marrone just took over Jalens king of trash talking.
"Hey, Doug won a Super Bowl," Marrone said. "Doug did a great job of coaching. I'm sure there's a long line of people that have the same questions or feelings. It's just what you're going to do.
"I read a book in the offseason by Mark Manson, the New York one, No. 1 bestseller on the [New York Times' bestseller list], so those things happen and that's it. But I respect the hell out of him and his team and he won a Super Bowl. We lost, and when you lose you question everything so I don't have a problem with it."
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"Hey, Doug won a Super Bowl," Marrone said. "Doug did a great job of coaching. I'm sure there's a long line of people that have the same questions or feelings. It's just what you're going to do.
"I read a book in the offseason by Mark Manson, the New York one, No. 1 bestseller on the [New York Times' bestseller list], so those things happen and that's it. But I respect the hell out of him and his team and he won a Super Bowl. We lost, and when you lose you question everything so I don't have a problem with it."
Search for the title of the book. Level of trash talking over 9000
08-21-2018, 09:14 PM
I've never had as big of a problem with the end of the half as many of you.
It took a 2nd half clunker in every phase of the game AND a terrible game deciding call for the Pats to pull it off. They made some bad decisions in retrospect but it would be difficult to forsee that perfect storm playing out in the moment.
If I had to lay blame on a specific moment of the game it would be giving up the 3rd and 18 personally.
It took a 2nd half clunker in every phase of the game AND a terrible game deciding call for the Pats to pull it off. They made some bad decisions in retrospect but it would be difficult to forsee that perfect storm playing out in the moment.
If I had to lay blame on a specific moment of the game it would be giving up the 3rd and 18 personally.