(08-22-2018, 11:59 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2018, 11:49 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]He may have crossed legally, with a temporary visa of some sort.
We do not know, and we may never know.
But if he crossed legally that means a wall does you no good.
You need some means to prevent and punish people from overstaying their visas.
They can start by strictly enforcing already existing laws.
Also reported that this dude was farm handing in the area for years. Anyone that employed this guy has a level of culpability IMO. If people won't employ them the flow will dry up. Unfortunately, the companies that do not employ them find it very hard to compete with the ones that do.
100% agree.
That's why you should vote for Ron DeSantis over Adam Putnam in the Republican primary. DeSantis will punish employers in FL who hire illegal immigrants. Putnam will continue to look the other way.
(08-22-2018, 11:22 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2018, 08:01 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Build the Damn Wall NOW!
We're still waiting for the money from Mexico that Trump promised, so we can build it. What's the hold up?
They working it into the new NAFTA deal with Mexico that is excluding Canada because of their high tariffs
(08-22-2018, 11:49 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]He may have crossed legally, with a temporary visa of some sort.
We do not know, and we may never know.
But if he crossed legally that means a wall does you no good.
You need some means to prevent and punish people from overstaying their visas.
Indeed...
IF he crossed legally and over stayed that is a different matter.
However of the estimated 11 million illegals here... I doubt even 25% are over stayed visas. But I suppose there is some liberal newspaper with an article stating otherwise you could link me to?
Point being that illegal immigration via crossing an invisible line can be deterred via building a physical barrier where an invisible stands.
Completely fixed? No... for that the government must enforce it's own laws and allows the enforcers to do their jobs, without worry about hurt feelings or looking "PC"
(08-22-2018, 09:48 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2018, 08:52 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]So he arrived on Obama's watch.
Does it matter where he crossed?
If you're using this as evidence we need a physical wall it does.
Timing is irrelevant. Congress had voted to fund the construction of a barrier wall years ago during Obama's term. The wall shouldn't be a partisan issue, but democrats see an endless flow of voters that should not be impeded from registering to vote D.
(08-22-2018, 11:49 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]He may have crossed legally, with a temporary visa of some sort.
We do not know, and we may never know.
But if he crossed legally that means a wall does you no good.
You need some means to prevent and punish people from overstaying their visas.
Regardless of how he entered the country, there should be some method of tracking immigrants once they've entered the country. There isn't really any system currently in place. Another thing democrats have been fighting against.
(08-22-2018, 03:38 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2018, 09:48 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]If you're using this as evidence we need a physical wall it does.
Timing is irrelevant. Congress had voted to fund the construction of a barrier wall years ago during Obama's term. The wall shouldn't be a partisan issue, but democrats see an endless flow of voters that should not be impeded from registering to vote D.
(08-22-2018, 11:49 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]He may have crossed legally, with a temporary visa of some sort.
We do not know, and we may never know.
But if he crossed legally that means a wall does you no good.
You need some means to prevent and punish people from overstaying their visas.
Regardless of how he entered the country, there should be some method of tracking immigrants once they've entered the country. There isn't really any system currently in place. Another thing democrats have been fighting against.
Some Democrats are in favor of e-Verify. And some Republicans, like Adam Putnam, vehemently oppose it.
(08-22-2018, 04:00 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2018, 03:38 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Timing is irrelevant. Congress had voted to fund the construction of a barrier wall years ago during Obama's term. The wall shouldn't be a partisan issue, but democrats see an endless flow of voters that should not be impeded from registering to vote D.
Regardless of how he entered the country, there should be some method of tracking immigrants once they've entered the country. There isn't really any system currently in place. Another thing democrats have been fighting against.
Some Democrats are in favor of e-Verify. And some Republicans, like Adam Putnam, vehemently oppose it.
Accused murderer of Mollie Tibbetts passed e-verify
Cristhian Rivera, the 24 year old man charged with first degree murder in the death of Mollie Tibbetts, passed the federal government's e-verify program when he was hired four years ago.
https://whoradio.iheart.com/content/2018...-e-verify/
(08-22-2018, 04:11 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2018, 04:00 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Some Democrats are in favor of e-Verify. And some Republicans, like Adam Putnam, vehemently oppose it.
Accused murderer of Mollie Tibbetts passed e-verify
Cristhian Rivera, the 24 year old man charged with first degree murder in the death of Mollie Tibbetts, passed the federal government's e-verify program when he was hired four years ago.
https://whoradio.iheart.com/content/2018...-e-verify/
Either the initial report that he was undocumented inaccurate or the e-Verify system needs to be strengthened. Perhaps he gave them a false SSN at the time. The e-Verify system should be much harder to spoof than that.
(08-22-2018, 04:33 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2018, 04:11 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Accused murderer of Mollie Tibbetts passed e-verify
Cristhian Rivera, the 24 year old man charged with first degree murder in the death of Mollie Tibbetts, passed the federal government's e-verify program when he was hired four years ago.
https://whoradio.iheart.com/content/2018...-e-verify/
Either the initial report that he was undocumented inaccurate or the e-Verify system needs to be strengthened. Perhaps he gave them a false SSN at the time. The e-Verify system should be much harder to spoof than that.
Illegal aliens don't or shouldn't have a SSN. Not just the illegals, any foreigner in our country.
This whole thing should highlight the real need for immigration reform, yet the left and much of the MSM for the most part is focusing on "Russia, collusion, impeachment". What should really be an eye opener is had this happened in a "sanctuary city" he probably wouldn't be facing the appropriate federal charges against him in addition to murder.
The bottom line in this whole story is the scumbag perp is an
illegal alien who already
broke federal law by being in this country illegally and because of that a young beautiful women is dead and leaves behind a grieving family.
Farm that hired Cristhian Rivera, Mollie Tibbetts' suspected killer, did not use E-Verify system, official says
The Mexican national accused of murdering college student Mollie Tibbetts in Iowa last month lived in the United States illegally for several years -- and worked for a farm that used Social Security Administration data in part to vet potential employees, according to officials there.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/22/far...-says.html
(08-23-2018, 10:39 AM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Farm that hired Cristhian Rivera, Mollie Tibbetts' suspected killer, did not use E-Verify system, official says
The Mexican national accused of murdering college student Mollie Tibbetts in Iowa last month lived in the United States illegally for several years -- and worked for a farm that used Social Security Administration data in part to vet potential employees, according to officials there.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/22/far...-says.html
So in all likelihood all he had to do was give a carefully chosen SSN or TIN of someone who legally can work but isn't currently working. There are people in Mexico you can buy that info from. The e-Verify system is supposed to thwart this.
(08-22-2018, 07:37 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (08-22-2018, 04:33 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Either the initial report that he was undocumented inaccurate or the e-Verify system needs to be strengthened. Perhaps he gave them a false SSN at the time. The e-Verify system should be much harder to spoof than that.
Illegal aliens don't or shouldn't have a SSN. Not just the illegals, any foreigner in our country.
This whole thing should highlight the real need for immigration reform, yet the left and much of the MSM for the most part is focusing on "Russia, collusion, impeachment". What should really be an eye opener is had this happened in a "sanctuary city" he probably wouldn't be facing the appropriate federal charges against him in addition to murder.
The bottom line in this whole story is the scumbag perp is an illegal alien who already broke federal law by being in this country illegally and because of that a young beautiful women is dead and leaves behind a grieving family.
Illegal aliens aren't given SSNs. They often fraudulently use the SSNs of others. That's what this man may have done.
Also, you don't seem to understand what a sanctuary City actually is. Federal law still applies there, but only federal officials enforce immigration law. The local police don't cooperate as much as they should in a sanctuary City, but, the federal police still come in and round up illegal immigrants from time to time, no one stops them.
(08-23-2018, 11:10 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-23-2018, 10:39 AM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Farm that hired Cristhian Rivera, Mollie Tibbetts' suspected killer, did not use E-Verify system, official says
The Mexican national accused of murdering college student Mollie Tibbetts in Iowa last month lived in the United States illegally for several years -- and worked for a farm that used Social Security Administration data in part to vet potential employees, according to officials there.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/22/far...-says.html
So in all likelihood all he had to do was give a carefully chosen SSN or TIN of someone who legally can work but isn't currently working. There are people in Mexico you can buy that info from. The e-Verify system is supposed to thwart this.
There are people in Alabama you can get that stuff from. Almost every illegal I see around NWFL has an Alabama license plate, photo ID (not a drivers license usually), & no insurance. Very likely they get their SSNs and any "I-9" paperwork BS to pass the worthless "e-verify" system.
The president of the company I work for is a Republican Trump supporter.
He hires illegal immigrants.
Why? Cheap labor, while they do have to be paid minimum wage at least, over the course of years these guys get minimal raises. Some have worked here 5 years and are making roughly 60 cents more than when they were hired (and many still well under 10/hr). Also, they don't require a lot of time off for weddings, funerals, vacations, etc. This idea that Republicans want illegals gone is silly. R or D, if there's a loophole to save some money, they'll all use it. Illegal workers, tax loopholes, whatever.
I got a verify system for you... looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... BANG.
(08-23-2018, 04:20 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (08-23-2018, 11:10 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]So in all likelihood all he had to do was give a carefully chosen SSN or TIN of someone who legally can work but isn't currently working. There are people in Mexico you can buy that info from. The e-Verify system is supposed to thwart this.
There are people in Alabama you can get that stuff from. Almost every illegal I see around NWFL has an Alabama license plate, photo ID (not a drivers license usually), & no insurance. Very likely they get their SSNs and any "I-9" paperwork BS to pass the worthless "e-verify" system.
The president of the company I work for is a Republican Trump supporter.
He hires illegal immigrants.
Why? Cheap labor, while they do have to be paid minimum wage at least, over the course of years these guys get minimal raises. Some have worked here 5 years and are making roughly 60 cents more than when they were hired (and many still well under 10/hr). Also, they don't require a lot of time off for weddings, funerals, vacations, etc. This idea that Republicans want illegals gone is silly. R or D, if there's a loophole to save some money, they'll all use it. Illegal workers, tax loopholes, whatever.
I got a verify system for you... looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... BANG.
It’s nice to see someone admitting that Republicans love exploiting illegals to increase their bottom line. No different from the farmer who hired this guy and conveniently didn’t bother to use e-verify to check his status. No need for loopholes if you’re just going to completely skirt the system.