(09-03-2018, 09:22 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 05:48 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]If you had actually paid attention to the second half of the bucs game, you would know why Lee was signed to the practice squad.
So, one good game against the 3rd string defense of one of the worst defensive rosters in the NFL is supposed to erase the tons and tons of bad play I saw from the kid already?
Yes. Evaluation is the whole point of those contests. And the kid really stepped up.
Also - it’s just a PS spot. They tend to be fluid throughout the season when the team targets emergency depth at thin position groups.
(09-03-2018, 10:15 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 09:22 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]So, one good game against the 3rd string defense of one of the worst defensive rosters in the NFL is supposed to erase the tons and tons of bad play I saw from the kid already?
The quality of the defense has no bearing on the quality of his throws. They were strong spirals on target.
I too thought that Lee was a wasted draft pick based on the camp reports and his play in the earlier games. But he clearly is capable of being a good NFL QB. The question is whether or not the Jags can develop him to consistently play like he did against the Bucs. I'm hoping that the team saw something in his play that would be correctable, and that's why he was drafted.*
If that is indeed the case (admittedly a big "if") then you'd want him to get a full year of development under Jags coaching, and have the timetable of his play improving just enough to prove they were right, but not too soon that he would be claimed by another team. That's my overly optimistic spin on this, and I'm sticking with it until proved otherwise.
*That also seems to be the case with Logan Cooke, who has been punting a lot better than his college stats would imply.
Yep.
Being a scout team QB against the jags defense all year and working with Milanovich seems like a great developmental opportunity for this kid.
They’ll know by mid season if he’s really worth keeping around.
If the Tampa game is any indication- they’re doing the right thing.
(09-03-2018, 09:22 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 05:48 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]If you had actually paid attention to the second half of the bucs game, you would know why Lee was signed to the practice squad.
So, one good game against the 3rd string defense of one of the worst defensive rosters in the NFL is supposed to erase the tons and tons of bad play I saw from the kid already?
He's not in a key role. Not even on the 53-man, so he's really not taking up any role. He's a young QB with a cannon for an arm that the Jaguars liked enough to spend a very low draft pick on. The practice squad is the perfect place for him.
(09-03-2018, 09:28 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 09:22 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]So, one good game against the 3rd string defense of one of the worst defensive rosters in the NFL is supposed to erase the tons and tons of bad play I saw from the kid already?
Yes. Evaluation is the whole point of those contests. And the kid really stepped up.
Also - it’s just a PS spot. They tend to be fluid throughout the season when the team targets emergency depth at thin position groups.
I know it's just a PS position, but there were several other QB's we could've added who looked much better during the entire preseason. I realize Lee showed good velocity on his throws, but it's his poor decision making, lack of ability to read the field and inconsistent accuracy that I don't like. People seem to justify his being chosen for the PS, because he has a "canon" for an arm. That's not an issue. I acknowledge he has a strong arm, but if you lack those other skills of the position, a strong arm means nothing ala Josh Allen, Byron Leftwich, JaMarcus Russell and countless others. Teams saw this and Lee would have went undrafted, if it wasn't for us taking him late. Instincts are something you cannot teach and Lee doesn't have them. I just don't understand why we didn't pick up a QB with more of a feel for the position to really develop. That's all. Of all the qualities I look for in a QB, arm strength falls way below the other traits. Tom Brady for instance is not known for having an especially strong arm, but he possesses every other trait you'd look for. Just my opinion.
(09-03-2018, 12:11 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 09:28 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yes. Evaluation is the whole point of those contests. And the kid really stepped up.
Also - it’s just a PS spot. They tend to be fluid throughout the season when the team targets emergency depth at thin position groups.
I know it's just a PS position, but there were several other QB's we could've added who looked much better during the entire preseason. I realize Lee showed good velocity on his throws, but it's his poor decision making, lack of ability to read the field and inconsistent accuracy that I don't like. People seem to justify his being chosen for the PS, because he has a "canon" for an arm. That's not an issue. I acknowledge he has a strong arm, but if you lack those other skills of the position, a strong arm means nothing ala Josh Allen, Byron Leftwich, JaMarcus Russell and countless others. Teams saw this and Lee went undrafted despite that strong arm. Instincts is something you cannot teach and Lee doesn't have them. I just don't understand why we didn't pick up a QB with more of a feel for the position to really develop. That's all. Of all the qualities I look for in a QB, arm strength falls way below the other traits. Tom Brady for instance is not known for having an especially strong arm, but he possesses every other trait you'd look for. Just my opinion.
Lee went undrafted? He has some nice traits to develop and he played much better when he wasn't running for his life. I think you're asking a lot if you want a QB that checks all the boxes to stick on a practice squad.
(09-03-2018, 02:21 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 12:11 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I know it's just a PS position, but there were several other QB's we could've added who looked much better during the entire preseason. I realize Lee showed good velocity on his throws, but it's his poor decision making, lack of ability to read the field and inconsistent accuracy that I don't like. People seem to justify his being chosen for the PS, because he has a "canon" for an arm. That's not an issue. I acknowledge he has a strong arm, but if you lack those other skills of the position, a strong arm means nothing ala Josh Allen, Byron Leftwich, JaMarcus Russell and countless others. Teams saw this and Lee went undrafted despite that strong arm. Instincts is something you cannot teach and Lee doesn't have them. I just don't understand why we didn't pick up a QB with more of a feel for the position to really develop. That's all. Of all the qualities I look for in a QB, arm strength falls way below the other traits. Tom Brady for instance is not known for having an especially strong arm, but he possesses every other trait you'd look for. Just my opinion.
Lee went undrafted? He has some nice traits to develop and he played much better when he wasn't running for his life. I think you're asking a lot if you want a QB that checks all the boxes to stick on a practice squad.
My bad! We did waste a draft pick on him, didn't we? That's the thing,
I don't expect a PS QB to check all those boxes. For me, arm strength is a quality they don't necessarily have to have. Footwork, mechanics, arm strength and a quicker release are all things that can be developed. What I do expect a PS QB to naturally have is, consistent accuracy and an ability to make quick, accurate reads. That's what I believe is needed to develop a QB and those are qualities I don't see in Lee. A natural feel for the QB position, being able to read and react to the defense and be consistently accurate with your throws are things that guys either have or they don't. IMO, I don't see those things in Lee. It's just my opinion. In the end though it doesn't really matter. Bortles is our starter and Kessler is our backup. I'm fine with that. Should either get injured, I fully expect us to go out and get a veteran FA or perhaps trade for a competent veteran QB. Hopefully, we won't have to, but if it does happen, it won't be Lee, so I'm not worried at all.
(09-03-2018, 03:43 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 02:21 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]Lee went undrafted? He has some nice traits to develop and he played much better when he wasn't running for his life. I think you're asking a lot if you want a QB that checks all the boxes to stick on a practice squad.
My bad! We did waste a draft pick on him, didn't we? That's the thing, I don't expect a PS QB to check all those boxes. For me, arm strength is a quality they don't necessarily have to have. Footwork, mechanics, arm strength and a quicker release are all things that can be developed. What I do expect a PS QB to naturally have is, consistent accuracy and an ability to make quick, accurate reads. That's what I believe is needed to develop a QB and those are qualities I don't see in Lee. A natural feel for the QB position, being able to read and react to the defense and be consistently accurate with your throws are things that guys either have or they don't. IMO, I don't see those things in Lee. It's just my opinion. In the end though it doesn't really matter. Bortles is our starter and Kessler is our backup. I'm fine with that. Should either get injured, I fully expect us to go out and get a veteran FA or perhaps trade for a competent veteran QB. Hopefully, we won't have to, but if it does happen, it won't be Lee, so I'm not worried at all.
He showed those exact traits in the last game, but of course you didn't see them because you spent the second half watching the Oklahoma State game.
(09-03-2018, 03:43 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 02:21 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]Lee went undrafted? He has some nice traits to develop and he played much better when he wasn't running for his life. I think you're asking a lot if you want a QB that checks all the boxes to stick on a practice squad.
... A natural feel for the QB position, being able to read and react to the defense and be consistently accurate with your throws are things that guys either have or they don't.
Not only did Lee exhibit those traits (consistency excepted), this statement is nothing more than a flimsy opinion.
We need Greg Jones back at FB. Could you imagine him paving the way for Fournette? Our offense would just become a bodydozer.
(09-03-2018, 03:43 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 02:21 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]Lee went undrafted? He has some nice traits to develop and he played much better when he wasn't running for his life. I think you're asking a lot if you want a QB that checks all the boxes to stick on a practice squad.
My bad! We did waste a draft pick on him, didn't we? That's the thing, I don't expect a PS QB to check all those boxes. For me, arm strength is a quality they don't necessarily have to have. Footwork, mechanics, arm strength and a quicker release are all things that can be developed. What I do expect a PS QB to naturally have is, consistent accuracy and an ability to make quick, accurate reads. That's what I believe is needed to develop a QB and those are qualities I don't see in Lee. A natural feel for the QB position, being able to read and react to the defense and be consistently accurate with your throws are things that guys either have or they don't. IMO, I don't see those things in Lee. It's just my opinion. In the end though it doesn't really matter. Bortles is our starter and Kessler is our backup. I'm fine with that. Should either get injured, I fully expect us to go out and get a veteran FA or perhaps trade for a competent veteran QB. Hopefully, we won't have to, but if it does happen, it won't be Lee, so I'm not worried at all.
A little early to call anyone a wasted draft pick at this stage.
When one of your drafted qbs show the improvement he did from game 1 to 4, you don't just throw him away. I fully expected him on the PS.
(09-03-2018, 07:26 PM)jeff1013 Wrote: [ -> ]When one of your drafted qbs show the improvement he did from game 1 to 4, you don't just throw him away. I fully expected him on the PS.
"We were looking for a QB with potential that we could develop and that's why we drafted you. After we had a chance to coach you up you looked like a player with a lot of potential that could be developed. Unfortunately, because you looked like hot garbage before we got that chance, we have to let you go."
Makes no sense.
(09-03-2018, 09:22 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 05:48 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]If you had actually paid attention to the second half of the bucs game, you would know why Lee was signed to the practice squad.
So, one good game against the 3rd string defense of one of the worst defensive rosters in the NFL is supposed to erase the tons and tons of bad play I saw from the kid already?
You do realize this one good game by far accounts for the majority of play anyone outside of the locker room has seen of him?
(09-03-2018, 04:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 03:43 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]... A natural feel for the QB position, being able to read and react to the defense and be consistently accurate with your throws are things that guys either have or they don't.
Not only did Lee exhibit those traits (consistency excepted), this statement is nothing more than a flimsy opinion.
That's the point. Good QB's are consistent. That's what drives me nuts about Blake, is the lack of consistency. If Lee didn't show consistency, he lacks the traits I look for.
Of course this is an opinion. It's a fan message board. Everything written on here is someone's opinion. That's why it's a message board. Without opinions, there would be no board.
(09-03-2018, 09:50 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 09:22 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]So, one good game against the 3rd string defense of one of the worst defensive rosters in the NFL is supposed to erase the tons and tons of bad play I saw from the kid already?
You do realize this one good game by far accounts for the majority of play anyone outside of the locker room has seen of him?
It was also against the lowest competition. He was playing against guys who are now probably working various drive up windows at McDonald's. That seems to be totally overlooked by some people.
(09-03-2018, 05:22 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 03:43 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]My bad! We did waste a draft pick on him, didn't we? That's the thing, I don't expect a PS QB to check all those boxes. For me, arm strength is a quality they don't necessarily have to have. Footwork, mechanics, arm strength and a quicker release are all things that can be developed. What I do expect a PS QB to naturally have is, consistent accuracy and an ability to make quick, accurate reads. That's what I believe is needed to develop a QB and those are qualities I don't see in Lee. A natural feel for the QB position, being able to read and react to the defense and be consistently accurate with your throws are things that guys either have or they don't. IMO, I don't see those things in Lee. It's just my opinion. In the end though it doesn't really matter. Bortles is our starter and Kessler is our backup. I'm fine with that. Should either get injured, I fully expect us to go out and get a veteran FA or perhaps trade for a competent veteran QB. Hopefully, we won't have to, but if it does happen, it won't be Lee, so I'm not worried at all.
A little early to call anyone a wasted draft pick at this stage.
Somebody always says this every year. The truth is there are busts right out of the box.
(09-03-2018, 11:29 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 04:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Not only did Lee exhibit those traits (consistency excepted), this statement is nothing more than a flimsy opinion.
That's the point. Good QB's are consistent. That's what drives me nuts about Blake, is the lack of consistency. If Lee didn't show consistency, he lacks the traits I look for.
Of course this is an opinion. It's a fan message board. Everything written on here is someone's opinion. That's why it's a message board. Without opinions, there would be no board.
(09-03-2018, 09:50 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize this one good game by far accounts for the majority of play anyone outside of the locker room has seen of him?
It was also against the lowest competition. He was playing against guys who are now probably working various drive up windows at McDonald's. That seems to be totally overlooked by some people.
He was also playing with guys that will be working McDonalds which you seem to totally overlook.
Give it up dude. You already admitted you spent the second half watching college football. You will never convince anybody that you have a clue as to what you are talking about.
You really are only making yourself look like a bigger fool at this point.
(09-04-2018, 01:24 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 05:22 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]A little early to call anyone a wasted draft pick at this stage.
Somebody always says this every year. The truth is there are busts right out of the box.
They are only considered busts after they have a chance to actually play.
Common sense should tell you that but then again, look who is posting this.
(09-03-2018, 11:29 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (09-03-2018, 04:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Not only did Lee exhibit those traits (consistency excepted), this statement is nothing more than a flimsy opinion.
That's the point. Good QB's are consistent. That's what drives me nuts about Blake, is the lack of consistency. If Lee didn't show consistency, he lacks the traits I look for.
Of course this is an opinion. It's a fan message board. Everything written on here is someone's opinion. That's why it's a message board. Without opinions, there would be no board.
He was very consistent within that half of football. He wasn't consistent from preseason game to preseason game but showed dramatic improvement.
And just to be clear, your
opinion that rookie NFL quarterbacks cannot improve in their ability to read defenses and throw accurately is complete [BLEEP] nonsense.
