(09-01-2018, 06:20 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Good things happen when guys get that last chance. One more shot type of scenario.
His quickness and hands will be much needed. He’s the perfect a lot receiver.
I’m rooting for him.
No, he is not. He is below average WR.
(09-01-2018, 09:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2018, 07:33 PM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ] ... Why aren't the Jaguars expecting Westbrook to do his job? He is a(n) extraordinary punt returner? ...
NFL football teams commonly protect their top three or four receivers from injury potential by NOT using them in the return game. It's very, very common.
Did you review the kick off and punt return receivers the Jaguars employed last season?
(09-02-2018, 04:05 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2018, 09:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]NFL football teams commonly protect their top three or four receivers from injury potential by NOT using them in the return game. It's very, very commoneide .
Did you review the kick off and punt return receivers the Jaguars employed last season?
Reserve players led the team in both categories by a wide margin. No review required. I watched the games.
(09-01-2018, 10:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2018, 09:43 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Does he? I don't see it. He's not fast, he's not big, he doesn't have a track record of production. What he has is a track record of injuries and fumbles.
All of this "production" talk with Greene is a bit misconstrued. He's barely seen the field on offense in the regular season.
He's never started a game and has limited snaps in 13 total regular season games. I'm not sure what great production we're supposed to expect from the kid. If he stays healthy and the Jags suffer any injuries at WR he's a solid option to take over the slot receiver role.
I suppose Mickens has grabbed the bull by the horns more with his receiving opportunities, but maybe I'm just worried there's some flukiness involved as opposed to sustainability. I could be wrong about that.
Then there's the return stuff:
Mickens: 27 Punt Returns - 287 yards - 10.6 yd avg - Long 72-yds - 3 fumbles (on PR)
Greene: 39 punt returns - 432 yards - 11.1 yd avg - Long 73 yds - 5 fumbles
They are practically identical returners statistically.
I don't see how it's at all misconstrued. Like I said, his history is one of injuries and fumbles (and arguing with the fans).
If you want to argue that Mickens doesn't belong in the roster either then that's fine, but there's not much room to argue that Greene is likely to have an impact beyond whatever Mickens will have.
(09-02-2018, 07:13 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2018, 10:06 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]All of this "production" talk with Greene is a bit misconstrued. He's barely seen the field on offense in the regular season.
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Then there's the return stuff:
Mickens: 27 Punt Returns - 287 yards - 10.6 yd avg - Long 72-yds - 3 fumbles (on PR)
Greene: 39 punt returns - 432 yards - 11.1 yd avg - Long 73 yds - 5 fumbles
They are practically identical returners statistically.
I don't see how it's at all misconstrued. Like I said, his history is one of injuries and fumbles (and arguing with the fans).
If you want to argue that Mickens doesn't belong in the roster either then that's fine, but there's not much room to argue that Greene is likely to have an impact beyond whatever Mickens will have.
Speculating “impact” for receivers buried on any NFL depth chart is dubious at best. Should he get the chance to do anything beyond a handful of snaps here or there - I think Greene will be an adequate fill-in at slot receiver or at PR.
You’ll be lucky to find more than a half dozen teams boasting a 5th or 6th receiver that offer much more than that.
(09-02-2018, 07:28 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2018, 07:13 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see how it's at all misconstrued. Like I said, his history is one of injuries and fumbles (and arguing with the fans).
If you want to argue that Mickens doesn't belong in the roster either then that's fine, but there's not much room to argue that Greene is likely to have an impact beyond whatever Mickens will have.
Speculating “impact” for receivers buried on any NFL depth chart is dubious at best. Should he get the chance to do anything beyond a handful of snaps here or there - I think Greene will be an adequate fill-in at slot receiver or at PR.
You’ll be lucky to find more than a half dozen teams boasting a 5th or 6th receiver that offer much more than that.
I agree there's not much expectation of impact as a receiver from your sixth guy, which is why I'd have rather seen someone developmental getting that roster spot. If you're not getting better you're getting worse.
He might be gone when they bring Fowler back in week 2.
(09-02-2018, 06:53 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2018, 04:05 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Did you review the kick off and punt return receivers the Jaguars employed last season?
Reserve players led the team in both categories by a wide margin. No review required. I watched the games.
Our WR production last season indicates Keelan Cole, Marqise Lee, and Alan Hurns were our primary wide receivers. And since he trailed TE Marcedes Lewis in yards per catch (13.3 to 12.6) and YAC (166 to 104), Westbrook would define reserve player last season.
Yet Westbrook did not contribute on special teams at all apart from one punt return for 19 yards.
Are we going to see Westbrook coast through another finicky season?
By contrast, EVERYBODY, and I mean EVERYBODY is complaining that Corey Grant is NOT more involved in the offense. Could Grant's limited availability on regular offense last season have possibly been related to Westbrook shirking his own special teams requirements? Grant had the lion's share of kickoff returns last season. That makes for a lot of shop wear on a guy.
Perhaps Westbrook is some frail commodity that must be preserved for the exception moments? If not, may we finally expect to see him earn his place on the 53-man roster through contributing to special teams the way a reserve player is expected?
If so, if Westbrook is being held back from special teams duty due to a frail, breakable body, I hardly consider Westbrook will have any longevity atop the WR corps depth chart.
We really need to address the numerous roster spots Westbrook's vacancy on fielding returns takes up.
Without quoting that long winded idiocy- once Robinson went down, Westbrook was too important to return punts.
That’s why Caldwell signed Mickens 9 days after Robinson blew his knee.
I’m done correcting your drivel. This is just stupid, JC.
(09-02-2018, 10:18 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]Huge difference. Whitted was a 4.2 40 guy. Greene's a 4.5 40 guy. Telvin Smith could probably catch Greene from behind.
Yep, Whitted had legit sprinter's speed. I think saying 4.5 speed exaggerates what we've seen on the field from Greene. He's at best an average NFL receiver from a physical standpoint, and compared to the league's starters he's not even close. Wouldn't be shocked if he's the guy cut next week to make room for Fouler.
(09-03-2018, 12:12 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-02-2018, 06:53 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Reserve players led the team in both categories by a wide margin. No review required. I watched the games.
Our WR production last season indicates Keelan Cole, Marqise Lee, and Alan Hurns were our primary wide receivers. And since he trailed TE Marcedes Lewis in yards per catch (13.3 to 12.6) and YAC (166 to 104), Westbrook would define reserve player last season.
Yet Westbrook did not contribute on special teams at all apart from one punt return for 19 yards.
Are we going to see Westbrook coast through another finicky season?
By contrast, EVERYBODY, and I mean EVERYBODY is complaining that Corey Grant is NOT more involved in the offense. Could Grant's limited availability on regular offense last season have possibly been related to Westbrook shirking his own special teams requirements? Grant had the lion's share of kickoff returns last season. That makes for a lot of shop wear on a guy.
Perhaps Westbrook is some frail commodity that must be preserved for the exception moments? If not, may we finally expect to see him earn his place on the 53-man roster through contributing to special teams the way a reserve player is expected?
If so, if Westbrook is being held back from special teams duty due to a frail, breakable body, I hardly consider Westbrook will have any longevity atop the WR corps depth chart.
We really need to address the numerous roster spots Westbrook's vacancy on fielding returns takes up.Y
You post some of the weirdest [BLEEP] I've ever seen. And you take up more space to do it than I thought humanly possible.
Congratulations.