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Classic

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Classy

Not the way I'd handle it and not classy, but you can understand his feelings at that moment. He knew that leg was broken. This just proves why players hold out for a better contract.... sometimes into the season like Bell. How many millions were lost after that broken leg?

I use to be a huge Earl Thomas fan but it feels like he has been complaining about his contract for the last 4 years......plus that thing he did with Dallas last year I would have traded him that night. Sucks he got injured but before that he should have either shut up and played or sit out like Bell

You guys don’t realize that these guys risk CTE and a life after football full of chronic pain. I have zero issues with an elite player like Yhomas and Bell wanting to get paid what they deserve from their team that makes 20x what they will ever make. Thomas was selfless enough to be there for his team on game day when he wanted/deserved a new contract and it bit him In the face. I don’t blame him one bit for the gesture and I hope he mouthed a nice little Eff you to the owners box

(10-02-2018, 12:07 AM)Fred Jones-Brunell Wrote: [ -> ]You guys don’t realize that these guys risk CTE and a life after football full of chronic pain. I have zero issues with an elite player like Yhomas and Bell wanting to get paid what they deserve from their team that makes 20x what they will ever make. Thomas was selfless enough to be there for his team on game day when he wanted/deserved a new contract and it bit him In the face. I don’t blame him one bit for the gesture and I hope he mouthed a nice little Eff you to the owners box

What makes you think we don't realize that?

I think a lot of us simply think that they should take that into consideration when they initially sign the contract. You can't take the signing bonus, play a year or two, and then complain that you aren't getting paid what you're worth. If you're willing to hold out, hold out before that bonus and make sure you get everything you want.

(10-02-2018, 12:07 AM)Fred Jones-Brunell Wrote: [ -> ]You guys don’t realize that these guys risk CTE and a life after football full of chronic pain. I have zero issues with an elite player like Yhomas and Bell wanting to get paid what they deserve from their team that makes 20x what they will ever make. Thomas was selfless enough to be there for his team on game day when he wanted/deserved a new contract and it bit him In the face. I don’t blame him one bit for the gesture and I hope he mouthed a nice little Eff you to the owners box

If they don't wanna play football then they dont have to, plenty of guys would love their opportunity.

But on the other hand you got guys like Larry Fitz that never has off the field issues or contract distractions. And I’m sure there are a lot more.

I remember MJD became a distraction about his contract.

I’m one of those guys that if you sign a contract then you need to play through the entire contract. If you get hurt then so what, it’s football.

(10-02-2018, 07:26 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]But on the other hand you got guys like Larry Fitz that never has off the field issues or contract distractions. And I’m sure there are a lot more.

I remember MJD became a distraction about his contract.

I’m one of those guys that if you sign a contract then you need to play through the entire contract. If you get hurt then so what, it’s football.

Do you believe that the organization that also signed the contract should employ and pay the player for the entirety of the contact as well?

(10-02-2018, 07:35 PM)Deacon Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2018, 07:26 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]But on the other hand you got guys like Larry Fitz that never has off the field issues or contract distractions. And I’m sure there are a lot more.

I remember MJD became a distraction about his contract.

I’m one of those guys that if you sign a contract then you need to play through the entire contract. If you get hurt then so what, it’s football.

Do you believe that the organization that also signed the contract should employ and pay the player for the entirety of the contact as well?

Players don't want that. They keep talking about guaranteed contracts, but no one is signing one. If they want the guaranteed contract, the total $ and years come down. The players want to treat it as a 2-3 year deal so they can then double dip on the signing bonus and get another one.

They don't want to only sign a 2-3 year deal and their agents also don't want them too. They lose too much money if their play drops quickly which happens to a lot of NFL players.

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(10-02-2018, 07:35 PM)Deacon Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2018, 07:26 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]But on the other hand you got guys like Larry Fitz that never has off the field issues or contract distractions. And I’m sure there are a lot more.

I remember MJD became a distraction about his contract.

I’m one of those guys that if you sign a contract then you need to play through the entire contract. If you get hurt then so what, it’s football.

Do you believe that the organization that also signed the contract should employ and pay the player for the entirety of the contact as well?

But the contract has clauses based around being released. When the player signs the contract, they understand that they can be released from that contract. That's why they ask for huge signing bonuses.

I am so sick and tired of the CTE talk. These guys play voluntarily, knowing the risks and they get paid very well for the risk + the size of the industry(pro football). If you don't want to deal with CTE now that you know the dangers, then maybe a contact sport is not your deal. Go put your degree to good use then or there's a car dealer somewhere willing to hire you. Stop crying CTE for the people who know about it and get compensated greatly for their risk who choose to continue to play.

(10-02-2018, 08:25 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2018, 07:35 PM)Deacon Wrote: [ -> ]Do you believe that the organization that also signed the contract should employ and pay the player for the entirety of the contact as well?

Players don't want that. They keep talking about guaranteed contracts, but no one is signing one. If they want the guaranteed contract, the total $ and years come down. The players want to treat it as a 2-3 year deal so they can then double dip on the signing bonus and get another one.

They don't want to only sign a 2-3 year deal and their agents also don't want them too. They lose too much money if their play drops quickly which happens to a lot of NFL players.

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I agree, and I wrote as much in this post. Players seem to get antsy over their contract, regardless of the size of the contract, around the three year point. But my question was aimed at the idea that if a player should honor his contract for the entire length, then shouldn't the organization who also signed the contract do the same? I see this as the players being held to a more rigid standard than the organizations and that doesn't seem right.

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(10-02-2018, 09:18 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2018, 07:35 PM)Deacon Wrote: [ -> ]Do you believe that the organization that also signed the contract should employ and pay the player for the entirety of the contact as well?

But the contract has clauses based around being released. When the player signs the contract, they understand that they can be released from that contract. That's why they ask for huge signing bonuses.

I was not aware that the contract has language regarding a players release, but then I am no attorney (paging Bullseye). I understand that the players are trying to protect themselves from their release by asking for more money up front but why is that their only option?

(10-03-2018, 10:54 AM)Deacon Wrote: [ -> ]I agree, and I wrote as much in this post. Players seem to get antsy over their contract, regardless of the size of the contract, around the three year point. But my question was aimed at the idea that if a player should honor his contract for the entire length, then shouldn't the organization who also signed the contract do the same? I see this as the players being held to a more rigid standard than the organizations and that doesn't seem right.

I was not aware that the contract has language regarding a players release, but then I am no attorney (paging Bullseye). I understand that the players are trying to protect themselves from their release by asking for more money up front but why is that their only option?

The problem is the backend of the contract is usually too large. The team and player signed it knowing that it most likely won't be played out. If the player lives up to the contract, they get the extremely high salary and costs in the later years.

The team can cut the player, but the player has already got their guaranteed money. The issue is they wanted a signing bonus for the full contract and cap space requires that they space it out for the full contract.

If they want a guaranteed contract, then they have to sign for 2-3 years and take a smaller signing bonus.

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(10-02-2018, 09:37 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]I am so sick and tired of the CTE talk. These guys play voluntarily,  knowing the risks and they get paid very well for the risk + the size of the industry(pro football). If you don't want to deal with CTE now that you know the dangers, then maybe a contact sport is not your deal. Go put your degree to good use then or there's a car dealer somewhere willing to hire you. Stop crying CTE for the people who know about it and get compensated greatly for their risk who choose to continue to play.

This is how I feel about it. It's like people who signed up for the military after 9/11 then complained of being deployed. Um.....duh.