Walsh isn’t a good coordinator. That play more zone than man crap is dead. Who thinks putting two all pro corners ten yards back from the receiver most the time with this group is sound? And they’ve been doing that since last year. We damn near have an AFC Pro Bowl defense and are just good. He’ll continue to skate by because the talent will bail him out, but when an innovative offensive coordinator gets at him it’s no match. Honestly I think both of Gus Bradley’s coordinators are [BLEEP], but somehow they were left behind.
I have often had questions about the style of defense Wash CALLS. It works most of the time but not really well until we got all these pro bowl/almost pro bowl caliber players. I definitely would not want him as a head coach I know that much. The cb play was annoying as all get out last week and it's not the first time it has been like that.
(10-09-2018, 09:17 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2018, 09:13 PM)jagherd Wrote: [ -> ]They used to send Colvin in blitzes a lot a few seasons back. I recall him being very effective, making impact plays/sacks quite often.
What happened with that type of stuff? No more?
I've seen at least 8 DB blitzes from Hayden, Church or Gipson this season. They've also sent Telvin and Jack at times.
I've also seen the safeties completely switch roles at the snap or radically change the coverage they are showing pre snap many times.
Am I just the only one seeing this stuff?
Edit: Skimming through some defensive plays for blitzes and such and I'll list them here. A running list as I don't have time to skim every game right now.
3rd quarter vs Giants : Gipson DB blitz on first down
A few plays later: Telvin blitzes up the middle
A few plays later: They send five with Jack attempting to free Yannick on an inside stunt
1 min left in third: They send five again - Jacobs the extra man this time
-- I'll stop there for that game as they are getting good pressure with four and did in fact play a decent amount of man coverage --
New England:
1st Q 13.30 - Sent 5 (Jack)
1st Q 0:32 - DB blitz (Harrison)
2nd Q 8;32 - DB blitz (Church)
3rdQ 4:50 - DB blitz (Hayden)
4thQ 14:54 5 man blitz (Telvin)
More on Thursday...
Lol. Thanks man. No need for more,, I was seriously just asking.
In my area, I've only been able to watch a couple games. I follow along the best I can on the Gameday threads. I see the highlights afterwards (admittedly though, the highlights of last week's game was basically just a blooper reel of the offense).
I finally got rid of Sunday Ticket after nearly twenty years.
Controversial because where we’re ranked. But I don’t rate Wash as a DC. As someone pointed out in another thread it’s just been consistent 4 man blitzes with some coverage.
We’ve got the 2 best corners in the league. Run man with more men blitzing we can hold the coverage until the players get to them.
We’re playing a lot of bend not break, and I understand once we might get completely torched but I’m seeing a lot of
Games this year where the defence looks gassed which they shouldn’t be.
(10-09-2018, 09:36 PM)P. Haze Wrote: [ -> ]Walsh isn’t a good coordinator. That play more zone than man crap is dead. Who thinks putting two all pro corners ten yards back from the receiver most the time with this group is sound? And they’ve been doing that since last year. We damn near have an AFC Pro Bowl defense and are just good. He’ll continue to skate by because the talent will bail him out, but when an innovative offensive coordinator gets at him it’s no match. Honestly I think both of Gus Bradley’s coordinators are [BLEEP], but somehow they were left behind.
sorry! I pretty much copied this post before I read it. But agree 100%.
(10-09-2018, 07:03 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2018, 06:47 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think a lot of the good things Wash does are being conveniently glossed over here, but whatever. Haters gonna hate.
There's not a lot of clever stuff in this defense that's ranked #1 in the league in several categories - and I'm fine with it.
Wanna give all the credit to players and besmirch the guy lining them up? Fine, have at it.
I think he's doing fine.
I saw 6 or 7 downs the other day where I was mystified at the corners being so far off. Marrone's presser seemed to suggest a few explanations. Either the players were taking too much liberty within the called coverage, got the coverage wrong, or that the playbook itself needs to be more specific about the CB technique required by some of the playcalls. Sounds like they intend to fix that.
I don't care about the rest as long as we've got these dogs out there getting it done.
Not hating just posing the question. Because cmon lets think about it. 2 all pro CBs, 2 pro bowl caliber S's, Jack is all pro caliber, Telvin is pro bowl, Calais all pro, Yannick pro bowl, Dareus former all pro and pro bowl caliber, Malik pro bowl, Fowler off the bench is amazing ... every player is either all pro or pro bowl caliber and that's not even being a homer. That's just facts.
It's not hard to call cover 4 and rush 4 or cover 2 rush 4. My main question is, do people believe Wash is getting the BEST out this group. If not, that's a damn shame because only once 10 years a single team gets a defense with this much talent. It also doesn't last very long.
He's in the luxury that he can't get fired because of the stats so it's a hypothetical.
bingo
(10-09-2018, 07:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2018, 07:46 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Again, not bashing at all. Really just posing the question and I think it's pretty valid. Wash is going to get a HC job because his resume will say #1 defense two years in a row. The stats will back it up. Would you want Wash as your HC? That would suggest he is the main reason the defense is performing well, not the other way around. I don't know if he'd be successful with a group of average talent and elevate their play to above average. That's really all I'm saying saying. I think it's the players making him look good, not the other way around.
Yeah, you really are bashing Wash's ability as a coordinator as much as you want to deny it.
Whatever. Maybe he's as lame as you think he is. I don't think he is.
I couldn't care less about him being a head coach coming off of his success here as long as we land a quality replacement for him.
My attitude on that is "good for him."
I have absolutely no idea if he'll be a good head coach or not.
our own players, on multiple occasions, have complained or called into question his coordinating, thats a fact that should be taken seriously
(10-09-2018, 09:17 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2018, 09:13 PM)jagherd Wrote: [ -> ]They used to send Colvin in blitzes a lot a few seasons back. I recall him being very effective, making impact plays/sacks quite often.
What happened with that type of stuff? No more?
I've seen at least 8 DB blitzes from Hayden, Church or Gipson this season. They've also sent Telvin and Jack at times.
I've also seen the safeties completely switch roles at the snap or radically change the coverage they are showing pre snap many times.
Am I just the only one seeing this stuff?
Edit: Skimming through some defensive plays for blitzes and such and I'll list them here. A running list as I don't have time to skim every game right now.
3rd quarter vs Giants : Gipson DB blitz on first down
A few plays later: Telvin blitzes up the middle
A few plays later: They send five with Jack attempting to free Yannick on an inside stunt
1 min left in third: They send five again - Jacobs the extra man this time
-- I'll stop there for that game as they are getting good pressure with four and did in fact play a decent amount of man coverage --
New England:
1st Q 13.30 - Sent 5 (Jack)
1st Q 0:32 - DB blitz (Harrison)
2nd Q 8;32 - DB blitz (Church)
3rdQ 4:50 - DB blitz (Hayden)
4thQ 14:54 5 man blitz (Telvin)
More on Thursday...
no one said we never blitz, its how we blitz that's the problem.. go watch defenses of the past like the ravens and steelers when they were good and see the things they were doing
we were the lowest blitz % in the league last year, though understandable last year with our pressure we got with 4
As much as we can't know the domino effects, the biggest missed opportunity of the last few years, IMO, was when Jim Schwartz turned down the DC job. Give that guy this talent and we'd be a generational defense talked about like the '85 Bears . But we also might still have Bobblehead in charge, so...
(10-10-2018, 08:37 AM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2018, 07:52 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, you really are bashing Wash's ability as a coordinator as much as you want to deny it.
Whatever. Maybe he's as lame as you think he is. I don't think he is.
I couldn't care less about him being a head coach coming off of his success here as long as we land a quality replacement for him.
My attitude on that is "good for him."
I have absolutely no idea if he'll be a good head coach or not.
our own players, on multiple occasions, have complained or called into question his coordinating, thats a fact that should be taken seriously
(10-09-2018, 09:17 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I've seen at least 8 DB blitzes from Hayden, Church or Gipson this season. They've also sent Telvin and Jack at times.
I've also seen the safeties completely switch roles at the snap or radically change the coverage they are showing pre snap many times.
Am I just the only one seeing this stuff?
Edit: Skimming through some defensive plays for blitzes and such and I'll list them here. A running list as I don't have time to skim every game right now.
3rd quarter vs Giants : Gipson DB blitz on first down
A few plays later: Telvin blitzes up the middle
A few plays later: They send five with Jack attempting to free Yannick on an inside stunt
1 min left in third: They send five again - Jacobs the extra man this time
-- I'll stop there for that game as they are getting good pressure with four and did in fact play a decent amount of man coverage --
New England:
1st Q 13.30 - Sent 5 (Jack)
1st Q 0:32 - DB blitz (Harrison)
2nd Q 8;32 - DB blitz (Church)
3rdQ 4:50 - DB blitz (Hayden)
4thQ 14:54 5 man blitz (Telvin)
More on Thursday...
no one said we never blitz, its how we blitz that's the problem.. go watch defenses of the past like the ravens and steelers when they were good and see the things they were doing
we were the lowest blitz % in the league last year, though understandable last year with our pressure we got with 4
Either you or I got hit in the head b/c your posts are making sense.
(10-10-2018, 11:42 AM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2018, 08:37 AM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]our own players, on multiple occasions, have complained or called into question his coordinating, thats a fact that should be taken seriously
Ramsey and Gipson complained after 2016 and Gipson has since praised the adjustments made.
This group is getting very good pressure with four up front, so the off coverage on the corners seems the only gripe worth arguing to me and Marrone seemed pretty intent in his Monday presser about making adjustments there.
I fail to share the concern in this top ranked defense or its coordinator. I literally saw 6 or 7 plays where the corners seemed blatantly out of position and they were gassed by that point anyway. Possibly giving themselves even more cushion because they knew how tired they were.
KC had them covering A LOT of ground.
I just don't see how you can complain about the defense. The defense is not the problem.
This unit, and its style of play has played some seriously solid ball for quite some time. KC gave us a thumping, but they held Mahomes to his lowest QB rating this year, with 2 INTs and no TDs.
Add this to a running game, and a moderate passing attack and we will see playoffs again.
The offense needs to turn a corner. This team ain't done yet.
(shotguns beer)
(10-10-2018, 02:05 PM)maddenisfordorks Wrote: [ -> ]KC gave us a thumping, but they held Mahomes to his lowest QB rating this year, with 2 INTs and no TDs.
Huh... weird...
with all the whiners in here trying to throw our DC and some guy named Walsh under the Gus Bus you'd think he had his best game ever.
When Gus was here... a lot of stuff was bad.
I haven't heard any players complain since that year.
The D isn't the problem at all. Whether it is blitzing or disguising coverage... they are fine.
If the offense doesn't give the ball up 5 times we probably take the game over and our D would have been lauded.
Lol at those defending Wash so hardcore...
I was attempting constructive criticism... bashed for it... maybe people will see it after today. We rush 4 and play zone with no spy... that's literally all we do.
Wake up boys.
(10-14-2018, 05:37 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Lol at those defending Wash so hardcore...
I was attempting constructive criticism... bashed for it... maybe people will see it after today. We rush 4 and play zone with no spy... that's literally all we do.
Wake up boys.
Wash has been out coached for two weeks straight now. It looks like its more of a problem than I thought.
I just skimmed through the thread though, and I don't see anyone bashing you at all though. What did i miss?
(10-14-2018, 05:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2018, 05:37 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Lol at those defending Wash so hardcore...
I was attempting constructive criticism... bashed for it... maybe people will see it after today. We rush 4 and play zone with no spy... that's literally all we do.
Wake up boys.
Wash has been out coached for two weeks straight now. It looks like its more of a problem than I thought.
I just skimmed through the thread though, and I don't see anyone bashing you at all though. What did i miss?
It's not just this thread... it's every thread and it's not just me it's almost anyone who "questions" the coaching.
Questioning the coaching staff around here is frowned upon. That's not even up for debate.
They need to make it 4-4 at the bye and figure it out.
(10-14-2018, 05:54 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2018, 05:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Wash has been out coached for two weeks straight now. It looks like its more of a problem than I thought.
I just skimmed through the thread though, and I don't see anyone bashing you at all though. What did i miss?
It's not just this thread... it's every thread and it's not just me it's almost anyone who "questions" the coaching.
Questioning the coaching staff around here is frowned upon. That's not even up for debate.
They need to make it 4-4 at the bye and figure it out.
I agree with you but they should definitely hurry up. We have Watson and Wentz next, they both aren't afraid to scramble, they surely watched Mariota/Mahomes/Dak rolling out freely and repeat the same pattern. And in the state we are in they are going to convert every single time. I'll take 4-4 anytime now though.
(10-14-2018, 05:54 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2018, 05:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Wash has been out coached for two weeks straight now. It looks like its more of a problem than I thought.
I just skimmed through the thread though, and I don't see anyone bashing you at all though. What did i miss?
It's not just this thread... it's every thread and it's not just me it's almost anyone who "questions" the coaching.
Questioning the coaching staff around here is frowned upon. That's not even up for debate.
They need to make it 4-4 at the bye and figure it out.
We won't beat the Texans. Watt and Clowney will destroy our online and Watson is a mobile QB which has been killing us
(10-14-2018, 05:54 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2018, 05:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Wash has been out coached for two weeks straight now. It looks like its more of a problem than I thought.
I just skimmed through the thread though, and I don't see anyone bashing you at all though. What did i miss?
It's not just this thread... it's every thread and it's not just me it's almost anyone who "questions" the coaching.
Questioning the coaching staff around here is frowned upon. That's not even up for debate.
They need to make it 4-4 at the bye and figure it out.
I think you are confusing someone disagreeing with you with "bashing." Please quote the bashing you've endured.