(10-13-2018, 08:50 AM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2018, 12:16 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that you think Yeldon is suppose to be a "pounder" to begin with, just shows how clueless you really are..
And when you keep saying Yeldon goes down on first contact, that just continues to show how clueless you are..
Fournette being a "pounder", while he's running straight into the back of the OL, only to gain 2 yards because of his size/strength at pushing a pile, is a god awful argument to try and make for him btw. Yea we all know he can be a strong runner, but this isn't the 60's, 70's, or even the 80's NFL anymore. Being a "pounder" doesn't mean jack [BLEEP] in today's NFL and Fournette lacks the vision (among other things) to be a big time RB in the league.
Fournette needs big holes to do damage, because he isn't creating much of anything on his own. Which is what good RBs do.. They can create on their own if something goes wrong. Fournette will never be able to create anything on his own. Hell, Fournette can't even get on the field because he's so injury prone.
Everyone is all on yeldons nuts this year, but hes been a massive disappointment as a 2nd round pick until now
Yeldon has been a good 2nd round pick. I’m not sure what you expect from a 2nd round pick, but a productive role player and occasional starter seems about right. He’ll like have well over 3k yards from scrimmage after this season. That’s not bad.
(10-13-2018, 12:02 AM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2018, 10:42 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Spelling aside, that's just not true.
ya most my posting is on my 5 year old phone and unless I type suuuuper slow it presses letters next to the one I'm actually pressing 
and we will agree to disagree, Yeldon has been good for us, mostly as a pass catcher
but the dude is not a good pounder, nothing you or anyone says will change my mind on that... I've watched him plenty.. Fournette will pound it into a pile and drive forward a yard or 2 or 3.. Yeldon, once he hits a pile or tackler, more times than not, is going right down
I think the reality of this is somewhat different than what you're saying. Yeldon doesn't break contact or move the pile very much when he runs between the tackles. He does play through contact when he runs outside more effectively than inside.
He also makes guys miss outside quite a bit better than Fournette does.
He's not the guy they should run up the gut repeatedly on first down, but used wisely, I think he can handle twenty
touches just fine. Just not 20 carries between the tackles.
He has had a number of inside carries that went for 6 or 7 yards this year where he found a little crease and "got small" to fit through it. That's where his value is between the tackles. He's not gonna' push the pile much, especially playing through an ankle injury.
Yeldon has always been underrated on this board.
His career stats for his 42 games played :
Rushing - 420 attempts, 1716 yards - 4.1 avg YPC- 6 TD - 5 fumbles (3 lost)
Receiving - 138 receptions - 1009 yards - 7.3 avg YPR- 5 TD - 0 fumbles
You can't blame him, he is doing his job. Some people like to say that he is a turnover machine, but 5 fumbles in 42 games is not that bad.
Another second rd pick of the same draft, Ameer Abdullah, has 6 fumbles in 32 games.
Tevin Coleman, same draft, 45 games and 6 fumbles.
(10-13-2018, 09:04 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-12-2018, 09:05 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]That reason is because yeldon is not a true bell cow runner. He goes down on girst contact and when u run a power run game that usually results in a lot of no gains and 1 or 2 yard gains
2018 YPC Fornette 3.6, Yeldon 4.4. Just sayin'.
that has literally nothing to do with anything
just sayin'
(10-13-2018, 09:19 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2018, 08:50 AM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]Everyone is all on yeldons nuts this year, but hes been a massive disappointment as a 2nd round pick until now
Yeldon has been a good 2nd round pick. I’m not sure what you expect from a 2nd round pick, but a productive role player and occasional starter seems about right. He’ll like have well over 3k yards from scrimmage after this season. That’s not bad.
you expect a role player with 2nd round picks? LOL do your homework please
I am not saying yeldon is bad, he is just no where near the RB you guys are now suddenly making him out to be, prior to the season most of you wanted grant to get carries over yeldon
(10-13-2018, 02:42 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-13-2018, 09:19 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Yeldon has been a good 2nd round pick. I’m not sure what you expect from a 2nd round pick, but a productive role player and occasional starter seems about right. He’ll like have well over 3k yards from scrimmage after this season. That’s not bad.
you expect a role player with 2nd round picks? LOL do your homework please
I am not saying yeldon is bad, he is just no where near the RB you guys are now suddenly making him out to be, prior to the season most of you wanted grant to get carries over yeldon
You’re kinda making up you own version of what people are actually saying about the guy.
What the vast majority are making him out to be is a good role player who has done pretty well stepping up for an injured starter while dealing with his own injury in the process.
No one is calling him Tony freakin Dorsett here.
And no, again the VAST majority of the board realized the difference between Yeldon’s role and Grants role. Calling for more C.O.P. Carries for grant isn’t calling for less Yeldon on third downs and spell downs.
(10-13-2018, 02:42 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2018, 09:04 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]2018 YPC Fornette 3.6, Yeldon 4.4. Just sayin'.
that has literally nothing to do with anything
just sayin'
(10-13-2018, 09:19 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Yeldon has been a good 2nd round pick. I’m not sure what you expect from a 2nd round pick, but a productive role player and occasional starter seems about right. He’ll like have well over 3k yards from scrimmage after this season. That’s not bad.
you expect a role player with 2nd round picks? LOL do your homework please
I am not saying yeldon is bad, he is just no where near the RB you guys are now suddenly making him out to be, prior to the season most of you wanted grant to get carries over yeldon
You have 6.6% chance of finding a Pro Bowl player (at any position) in the 2nd round.
For running backs, you have a 25% chance of finding a starter in the 2nd round. Considering he's already been a starter and occasionally returns as one, him being a moderately productive role player makes me think he's a successful draft pick. So, how about we not do the famous Krayz overreaction, and assume you're wrong about this one.
(10-13-2018, 02:42 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2018, 09:04 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]2018 YPC Fornette 3.6, Yeldon 4.4. Just sayin'.
that has literally nothing to do with anything
just sayin'
(10-13-2018, 09:19 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Yeldon has been a good 2nd round pick. I’m not sure what you expect from a 2nd round pick, but a productive role player and occasional starter seems about right. He’ll like have well over 3k yards from scrimmage after this season. That’s not bad.
you expect a role player with 2nd round picks? LOL do your homework please
I am not saying yeldon is bad, he is just no where near the RB you guys are now suddenly making him out to be, prior to the season most of you wanted grant to get carries over yeldon
Nobody is suddenly trying to make him out to be some stud or anything like that. What people are saying is that they're starting to realize how underrated and under appreciated he is on this board. He always has been and I wasn't even a fan of the pick when we drafted him. It didn't take long after watching him play here to change my mind though.
He played on terrible teams his first couple of seasons here and he played very well. He's been a key part of this Offense and we would be far worse off without him.
(10-13-2018, 02:42 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2018, 09:04 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]2018 YPC Fornette 3.6, Yeldon 4.4. Just sayin'.
that has literally nothing to do with anything
Ha! It literally has everything to do with invalidating your argument that Yeldon is a 1-2 yard runner at best.
Dolphins just released OT Sam Young. Can't find any highlights or discussion of his strengths/weaknesses anywhere online.
(10-13-2018, 06:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody is suddenly trying to make him out to be some stud or anything like that. What people are saying is that they're starting to realize how underrated and under appreciated he is on this board. He always has been and I wasn't even a fan of the pick when we drafted him. It didn't take long after watching him play here to change my mind though.
He played on terrible teams his first couple of seasons here and he played very well. He's been a key part of this Offense and we would be far worse off without him.
Nah, Yeldon was legit bad his first two years. It wasn't because he was part of terrible teams. He tried to imitate Leveon Bell dancing behind the line waiting for the last second, but as I said many times back in those years: there's a thin line between patient and indecisive. Bell is the master at pushing right up to that edge, Yeldon repeatedly went over.
These last two years, for whatever reasons, Yeldon has completely changed his playstyle...for the better. He has become very decisive. He still isn't going to drag a pile or break a long run, but he will consistently maximize what is blocked and find the tiniest hole to wiggle through. Add that to being an already very good blocker and a reliable pass catcher and you have a quality modern NFL back. Basically the anti Fournette tbh.
I give Yeldon a grade of B-. My mother used to say a phrase when she needed help..........I CAN'T DO IT ALL!! A durable, truly good RUNNER is as rare as a true friend. We need more long passing plays and more trick plays to complement our standard short passes. Only if the new hires can have a real impact, should we stay conservative. It irritates me (I'm being nice) when we have running plays , or short passing plays, when we are getting manhandled and beaten up. HEY, DO YOU WANT TO WIN, OR PAD JUNK YARD STATISTICS!!
(10-13-2018, 08:06 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2018, 06:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody is suddenly trying to make him out to be some stud or anything like that. What people are saying is that they're starting to realize how underrated and under appreciated he is on this board. He always has been and I wasn't even a fan of the pick when we drafted him. It didn't take long after watching him play here to change my mind though.
He played on terrible teams his first couple of seasons here and he played very well. He's been a key part of this Offense and we would be far worse off without him.
Nah, Yeldon was legit bad his first two years. It wasn't because he was part of terrible teams. He tried to imitate Leveon Bell dancing behind the line waiting for the last second, but as I said many times back in those years: there's a thin line between patient and indecisive. Bell is the master at pushing right up to that edge, Yeldon repeatedly went over.
These last two years, for whatever reasons, Yeldon has completely changed his playstyle...for the better. He has become very decisive. He still isn't going to drag a pile or break a long run, but he will consistently maximize what is blocked and find the tiniest hole to wiggle through. Add that to being an already very good blocker and a reliable pass catcher and you have a quality modern NFL back. Basically the anti Fournette tbh.
I'd agree that he was indecisive too much in his first two seasons, but you shouldn't try and compare Bell and Yeldon. Yeldon isn't Bell and he wont ever be.
(10-13-2018, 08:55 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd agree that he was indecisive too much in his first two seasons, but you shouldn't try and compare Bell and Yeldon. Yeldon isn't Bell and he wont ever be.
I think that stylistically they're very similar, at least early in his career. Yeldon is just a notch below across the board. But I bet that if you asked Yeldon who he tried to mold himself after and emulate early in his career his answer would be Leveon.
A source told me Mike Peterson was never going to play another down for the Jags. Mystery solved.
I never said Yeldon was terrible, or an awful pick, but when we drafted him I thought he would be our starting RB for the future.. like MJD was but obviously not at the level MJD was for us.. He was and is not that, that is what I meant about being wrong about him.. In other words, I would have never imagined us needing to draft a RB top 4 a year or 2 or whatever it was after taking Yeldon, that usually means your 2nd round RB pick was not what you had hoped for
he is playing well for sure, but he is still not a true every down starting RB, he is absolutely best used in a committee
and to the guy bringing up ypc as to why he is a better pounder than fournette, it is clear you have no idea what you are talking about
(10-13-2018, 09:59 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]I never said Yeldon was terrible, or an awful pick, but when we drafted him I thought he would be our starting RB for the future.. like MJD was but obviously not at the level MJD was for us.. He was and is not that, that is what I meant about being wrong about him.. In other words, I would have never imagined us needing to draft a RB top 4 a year or 2 or whatever it was after taking Yeldon, that usually means your 2nd round RB pick was not what you had hoped for
he is playing well for sure, but he is still not a true every down starting RB, he is absolutely best used in a committee
and to the guy bringing up ypc as to why he is a better pounder than fournette, it is clear you have no idea what you are talking about
You just keeping digging your hole.
You said he was a massive disappointment. Where on the scale of good-to-bad does that fall? If you aren't saying he's terrible, you're pretty much implying it.
You expect a 2nd round RB to be a good player when the statistics show otherwise. Your expectations are too high, and you assume that, because he didn't meet your expectations, he's a disappointment when the problem is your expectations.
You keep bringing up that every down label as if everyone said he was. The YPC comment, by the way, isn't saying he's a pounder. It's to show that he isn't the 1 or 2 YPC back you said he was. The poster was very clear about that.
(10-13-2018, 09:19 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2018, 08:55 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd agree that he was indecisive too much in his first two seasons, but you shouldn't try and compare Bell and Yeldon. Yeldon isn't Bell and he wont ever be.
I think that stylistically they're very similar, at least early in his career. Yeldon is just a notch below across the board. But I bet that if you asked Yeldon who he tried to mold himself after and emulate early in his career his answer would be Leveon.
I'd agree that there's some similarities in the play style, but like you just said, he's a notch below across the board. Yeldon isn't Bell, nobody is.
Bell is a different kind of player and there's a reason why hes been the best RB in the league for multiple seasons.
(10-13-2018, 08:06 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2018, 06:07 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody is suddenly trying to make him out to be some stud or anything like that. What people are saying is that they're starting to realize how underrated and under appreciated he is on this board. He always has been and I wasn't even a fan of the pick when we drafted him. It didn't take long after watching him play here to change my mind though.
He played on terrible teams his first couple of seasons here and he played very well. He's been a key part of this Offense and we would be far worse off without him.
Nah, Yeldon was legit bad his first two years. It wasn't because he was part of terrible teams. He tried to imitate Leveon Bell dancing behind the line waiting for the last second, but as I said many times back in those years: there's a thin line between patient and indecisive. Bell is the master at pushing right up to that edge, Yeldon repeatedly went over.
These last two years, for whatever reasons, Yeldon has completely changed his playstyle...for the better. He has become very decisive. He still isn't going to drag a pile or break a long run, but he will consistently maximize what is blocked and find the tiniest hole to wiggle through. Add that to being an already very good blocker and a reliable pass catcher and you have a quality modern NFL back. Basically the anti Fournette tbh.
I find this to be just more lazy and over-simplified analysis. He wasn't legit bad. He was developing. And he absolutely did deal with some questionable offensive talent around him. Can't just sweep that under the rug to suit your argument.
Sure he was indecisive. Everybody that knew what they were looking at saw that. But this L Bell thing is so ridiculous. People act like he's the only back to have any patience at the LOS. So silly. He's just the extreme outlier. Dozens of backs have shown patience to find a crease over the years. Bell is a poor comparison for Yeldon IMO. The hesitance to the hole is literally the only similarity, and Yeldon has adjusted that.
I don't think he "completely changed" his playstyle at all. He looks like the exact same guy that just listened to some coaching and now makes a quicker cut and go. A minor adjustment to my eye. Still runs the same, just doesn't hesitate by half a beat less than before.
(10-14-2018, 02:04 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-13-2018, 08:06 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Nah, Yeldon was legit bad his first two years. It wasn't because he was part of terrible teams. He tried to imitate Leveon Bell dancing behind the line waiting for the last second, but as I said many times back in those years: there's a thin line between patient and indecisive. Bell is the master at pushing right up to that edge, Yeldon repeatedly went over.
These last two years, for whatever reasons, Yeldon has completely changed his playstyle...for the better. He has become very decisive. He still isn't going to drag a pile or break a long run, but he will consistently maximize what is blocked and find the tiniest hole to wiggle through. Add that to being an already very good blocker and a reliable pass catcher and you have a quality modern NFL back. Basically the anti Fournette tbh.
I find this to be just more lazy and over-simplified analysis. He wasn't legit bad. He was developing. And he absolutely did deal with some questionable offensive talent around him. Can't just sweep that under the rug to suit your argument.
Sure he was indecisive. Everybody that knew what they were looking at saw that. But this L Bell thing is so ridiculous. People act like he's the only back to have any patience at the LOS. So silly. He's just the extreme outlier. Dozens of backs have shown patience to find a crease over the years. Bell is a poor comparison for Yeldon IMO. The hesitance to the hole is literally the only similarity, and Yeldon has adjusted that.
I don't think he "completely changed" his playstyle at all. He looks like the exact same guy that just listened to some coaching and now makes a quicker cut and go. A minor adjustment to my eye. Still runs the same, just doesn't hesitate by half a beat less than before.
"Indecisive" implies he had options to choose between. The only choice he had as a rookie was which offensive lineman's backside he should run into.