(10-22-2018, 04:20 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2018, 11:06 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Hard playing defense when you're constantly on the field because the defense can't score points or have a drive last longer than 3 minutes.
I keep hearing this excuse but the Jags are getting dominated early in games where fatigue is no issue. It's been like 60-0 in the first half the last 3 weeks.
And how many of those points are a direct result of Blake’s turnovers? I guarantee you it’s about half.
The offense continues going 3 and out which puts tremendous stress on the D. Even the best defenses struggle when they don’t get a break.
(10-22-2018, 04:20 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2018, 11:06 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Hard playing defense when you're constantly on the field because the defense can't score points or have a drive last longer than 3 minutes.
I keep hearing this excuse but the Jags are getting dominated early in games where fatigue is no issue. It's been like 60-0 in the first half the last 3 weeks.
Are those the points that have been given up "solely" by the defense? Or, does that take into account turnovers by the Jags offense that directly resulted in points or left the defense starting out in opponent's scoring position?
There's been a bit of that going on (fumbles deep in their own territory,, screen pass pick-6,,)
The defense gets no rest because the offense blows of course they are beginning to break down and give up points.
I truly do not understand people who would rather blame the defense and excuse 5s awful play.
(10-22-2018, 08:10 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I truly do not understand people who would rather blame the defense and excuse 5s awful play.
And I truly do not understand people who lay all the blame on 5 and excuse a defense that can't stop the run or win against a scrub offense like Houston.
This team was built to win with defense. It spends big money on defense. With the amount of talent they have this defense should be great. It's not. It's merely good. So stop acting like it's all on the qb when the OL is broken and defective and we have no effective power running game and our receivers often have hands of stone.
Blake isn't Ryan or Goff or Cousins or even Smith. We knew he wasn't going to be and now that all the injuries have happened, he can't be expected to become something he's not. He can get better at not turning the ball over. If he does that, he's done his part. Then it will up to Hyde to help out the run game and the defense to return to their previous level of play. If those things happen, we can still win the division.
(10-22-2018, 05:37 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting alignment
https://mobile.twitter.com/logs56/status...2099542017
Church with another bad angle on the ball carrier. He had countless amount of terrible angles against the Cowboys and had more yesterday.
I wouldn't mind seeing Harrison at SS, honestly.
(10-22-2018, 08:10 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I truly do not understand people who would rather blame the defense and excuse 5s awful play.
I truly do not understand people that blame everything on the QB.
Defense should have sacked Watson more than once.
Defense should have created and made turnovers and stops.
Receivers should have caught balls that hit them in the hands.
No running game with Fournette on the sideline in street clothes.
To say that the team's woes is on one player (#5) alone is very misguided.
(10-22-2018, 08:19 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2018, 08:10 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I truly do not understand people who would rather blame the defense and excuse 5s awful play.
And I truly do not understand people who lay all the blame on 5 and excuse a defense that can't stop the run or win against a scrub offense like Houston.
This team was built to win with defense. It spends big money on defense. With the amount of talent they have this defense should be great. It's not. It's merely good. So stop acting like it's all on the qb when the OL is broken and defective and we have no effective power running game and our receivers often have hands of stone.
Blake isn't Ryan or Goff or Cousins or even Smith. We knew he wasn't going to be and now that all the injuries have happened, he can't be expected to become something he's not. He can get better at not turning the ball over. If he does that, he's done his part. Then it will up to Hyde to help out the run game and the defense to return to their previous level of play. If those things happen, we can still win the division.
How can people blame the defense here? They were awful vs Dallas but have been great otherwise. They held Houston to 100 total yards less than their season average. All those TDs they scored last year really spoiled everybody, that wasn't repeatable.
(10-22-2018, 08:19 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2018, 08:10 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I truly do not understand people who would rather blame the defense and excuse 5s awful play.
And I truly do not understand people who lay all the blame on 5 and excuse a defense that can't stop the run or win against a scrub offense like Houston.
This team was built to win with defense. It spends big money on defense. With the amount of talent they have this defense should be great. It's not. It's merely good. So stop acting like it's all on the qb when the OL is broken and defective and we have no effective power running game and our receivers often have hands of stone.
Blake isn't Ryan or Goff or Cousins or even Smith. We knew he wasn't going to be and now that all the injuries have happened, he can't be expected to become something he's not. He can get better at not turning the ball over. If he does that, he's done his part. Then it will up to Hyde to help out the run game and the defense to return to their previous level of play. If those things happen, we can still win the division.
no defense shuts teams out every week.. our trash QB fumbled on our own 30.. the D held to a FG.. then the offense 3 and outed again, and the defense gave up a FG... a defense that gives up 3 points is a good defense.. then the offense went out and go no points again.. then shortly after this, our MORON coach doesnt go for a 4th and 2 inches when you could sense the game slipping and we have a QB who almost never gets stopped on a qb sneak in short yardage situations, then our punter punts it like 15 yards near the 40 or 45, and the tired D finally gives up a TD
has the D been up to par? no.. have they been a problem? LOL no.. THE problem is the QB, coaches, GM and injuries
(10-22-2018, 08:52 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]has the D been up to par? no.. have they been a problem? LOL no.. THE problem is the QB, coaches, GM and injuries
At least you're making progress in your stages of grief.
And the defense did not play well Sunday. Missed assignments. Sloppy and out of position. Couldn't stop the run when it counted.
Yes, they're a problem. They were built to play great and carry the team. They must play well every Sunday in order to win. And all your raging keyboard vomit won't change that.
(10-22-2018, 08:36 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2018, 08:10 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I truly do not understand people who would rather blame the defense and excuse 5s awful play.
I truly do not understand people that blame everything on the QB.
Defense should have sacked Watson more than once.
Defense should have created and made turnovers and stops.
Receivers should have caught balls that hit them in the hands.
No running game with Fournette on the sideline in street clothes.
To say that the team's woes is on one player (#5) alone is very misguided.
I wonder how many times I have to say it isn't ALL on Blake before it gets through to you. He is the biggest problem but it's not ALL him.
(10-22-2018, 08:19 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2018, 08:10 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I truly do not understand people who would rather blame the defense and excuse 5s awful play.
And I truly do not understand people who lay all the blame on 5 and excuse a defense that can't stop the run or win against a scrub offense like Houston.
This team was built to win with defense. It spends big money on defense. With the amount of talent they have this defense should be great. It's not. It's merely good. So stop acting like it's all on the qb when the OL is broken and defective and we have no effective power running game and our receivers often have hands of stone.
Blake isn't Ryan or Goff or Cousins or even Smith. We knew he wasn't going to be and now that all the injuries have happened, he can't be expected to become something he's not. He can get better at not turning the ball over. If he does that, he's done his part. Then it will up to Hyde to help out the run game and the defense to return to their previous level of play. If those things happen, we can still win the division.
They held Houston to 20 points and 139 yards passing..with one of those scores coming in our own redzone from a Blake fumble. The defense has been well above average so far this season.
You need to listen when people say "it's not all on Blake" before blindly saying your first paragraph.
"He can get better at not turning the ball over"
Nah, that's likely gonna be Blake forever , he has the most turnovers since he came into the league.
We can still win the division if Blake drastically improves his play sure. Having Fournette, Hyde and Yeldon should help, but also we need Blake to stop turning it over so much and start leading scoring drives in the first quarter.
All in all, if we lose to the eagles our chances of winning the division are incredibly slim.
Raging Keyboard Vomit would make a great punk band name.
Defense isn’t an issue. Next?
If our offense could piece together drives and even score a FG every now and then our D would be in better position to play better late.
Our defense thrived on teams having to throw to keep pace or catch up and hence all the sacks and turnovers.
Remember the steelers game that Bortles was trying so hard to lose for us? Bell was gashing us and the steelers looked like they were about to dominate the 2nd half. Our offense barely did anything, but did enough to keep it close.
Then the D balled out and the rout was on, partially because the Steelers decided to stop running Bell.
When our offense has like 4 minutes of TOP in the first Q and just over 10 after 2.... the defense is gonna be tired. Not just physically, but mentally.
It is hard to get up off the bench after a 5 minute real time rest (about 1.5 minutes of game time on a 3 and out) and go 'make a play'
The defense isn't playing up to snuff from last year. But last years team set the bar really high. And last years offense was much better than this year. So this years defense is catching flack they shouldn't be.
Look if our offense was at least scoring and we were losing 35-21 I'd be all over the D.
But the game is over by the middle of the 3rd Q when Bortles tosses a pick 6 or loses his 2nd fumble and the opponent has barely scrapped up 20 points, most of which come from short field.
Its the offense.
What happened to the offense?
Injuries, bad coaching --playcalling and roster decisions--
QB play regressed. Which is really bad considering where the QB play really was for the majority of last season (not great)
When Blake came into the league he was quoted saying he really admired Favre's career and how he wanted to be like him. At first I was excited to have a gunslinger...now I wonder if that should've been the first red flag.
The defense is 4th best in passer rating allowed in the NFL so it's definitely one of our biggest issues right now
(10-23-2018, 02:38 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]The defense is 4th best in passer rating allowed in the NFL so it's definitely one of our biggest issues right now
LOL
Yeah - I'm with you here, but the past two weeks have been pretty ugly against the run.
A bit concerned with the underachieving going on there, myself. Fixable in my estimation, but they'd better get on it quick.
(10-23-2018, 03:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2018, 02:38 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]The defense is 4th best in passer rating allowed in the NFL so it's definitely one of our biggest issues right now
LOL
Yeah - I'm with you here, but the past two weeks have been pretty ugly against the run.
A bit concerned with the underachieving going on there, myself. Fixable in my estimation, but they'd better get on it quick.
Agree on that, the last two weeks our run fits have been bad and overall the energy levels have been awful. Partly due to team morale I assume.
Who knows, maybe an emotional team on the brink will answer this Sunday with myself present.
I think a lot of the problem with the defense is simply fatigue. Last year we could at least sustain offensive drives and give the defense a rest, but now the offense is constantly 3 and out. Our defensive players are tired. Their being overworked, because the offense can't do their job.