I'm not sure how anybody could put all of the offensive woes solely on Bortles. This offense was questionable before the slew of injuries, and it wasn't any one thing that restricted it. One play, Bortles would completely under/overthrow a wide open receiver. Another play, Bortles hits the receiver in stride but the receiver drops it. Yet another play, Bortles hit the receiver who catches for a long gain, but an offensive lineman is called for holding. And another play, Bortles is demolished two seconds after the snap.
And this was before all of the injuries. That we were trotting out the 4th TE and 3rd LT in this last game was telling. That's also in addition to missing the 1st and 3rd RBs and first WR. But yeah, it's all Bortles. And Kessler is the savior. This board is comedy gold sometimes.
(10-22-2018, 11:55 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2018, 01:16 PM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ]It's easier to catch a spiral than a duck... it's easier to catch a ball when you know it's going to be right on the money, as opposed to a variant there of.
That being said, they should still catch any ball that hits them in the hands. Millions of dollars to catch a football. No excuse not to. They also had a drop or two with Kessler as well...
Let's slow down on the millions of dollars talk. Westbrook and Cole and Chark rookie deals. Moncrief is the only one banking on the field.
Cole has the smallest at $1,665,000. So maybe not quite Millions... more like Million.
(10-22-2018, 11:55 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2018, 01:16 PM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ]It's easier to catch a spiral than a duck... it's easier to catch a ball when you know it's going to be right on the money, as opposed to a variant there of.
That being said, they should still catch any ball that hits them in the hands. Millions of dollars to catch a football. No excuse not to. They also had a drop or two with Kessler as well...
Let's slow down on the millions of dollars talk. Westbrook and Cole and Chark rookie deals. Moncrief is the only one banking on the field.
Huh?
Moncrief 9.6 millions
Chark 4.5 millions
Westbrook 3 millions
Cole 1.6 millions
Nah man... dudes are paid very well to run routes and catch balls. Even the rookie deals are still millions (Cole is undrafted)
(10-22-2018, 01:05 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/zach_goodall/status/...1940569089
Def not a QB problem tho right
This means little as an aggregate stat. Does this include all "dump offs" to Yeldon or such. Does this include post routes or such designed to draw away coverage. Is this due to being behind in games and teams dropping into zone to prevent big plays. Separation from all players, or just the defensive players supposed to cover the WR/TE/RB.
Without context of the situation of the game, what route, and where in the field, this stat means little.
(10-23-2018, 12:38 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2018, 11:55 PM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Let's slow down on the millions of dollars talk. Westbrook and Cole and Chark rookie deals. Moncrief is the only one banking on the field.
Huh?
Moncrief 9.6 millions
Chark 4.5 millions
Westbrook 3 millions
Cole 1.6 millions
Nah man... dudes are paid very well to run routes and catch balls. Even the rookie deals are still millions (Cole is undrafted)
Looking across the league at the money spent by teams on the WR position group, the Jags are clearly in the lower third of the league in expenditure at the position. Moncrief is literally the only one "getting paid" by today's standards of the terminology.
(10-23-2018, 03:10 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2018, 12:38 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Huh?
Moncrief 9.6 millions
Chark 4.5 millions
Westbrook 3 millions
Cole 1.6 millions
Nah man... dudes are paid very well to run routes and catch balls. Even the rookie deals are still millions (Cole is undrafted)
Looking across the league at the money spent by teams on the WR position group, the Jags are clearly in the lower third of the league in expenditure at the position. Moncrief is literally the only one "getting paid" by today's standards of the terminology.
Sure... but by ANY standard these guys are paid millions of dollars to catch the ball.
They gotta catch the ball.
(10-23-2018, 02:44 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2018, 01:05 PM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/zach_goodall/status/...1940569089
Def not a QB problem tho right
This means little as an aggregate stat. Does this include all "dump offs" to Yeldon or such. Does this include post routes or such designed to draw away coverage. Is this due to being behind in games and teams dropping into zone to prevent big plays. Separation from all players, or just the defensive players supposed to cover the WR/TE/RB.
Without context of the situation of the game, what route, and where in the field, this stat means little.
Also NextGenStats only accounts for separation when the ball is thrown to someone. It doesn't include what is happening when the QB gets sacked, throws it away, or runs the ball.
So it's not surprising that a team with a QB who will run the ball more often as apposed to trying to fit it into a tight window would have a higher percentage. Also, since this stat is for 3-5 yards means teams that have receivers getting open more often for 5+ yards would push this percentage down. So you have to take it with a grain of salt.
Cole is slow, Moncrief loafs, TE is a a dumster fire and Bortles sucks!
(10-23-2018, 03:48 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Also NextGenStats only accounts for separation when the ball is thrown to someone. It doesn't include what is happening when the QB gets sacked, throws it away, or runs the ball.
Do you know if it's for every receiver on the field when the ball is thrown or if it's including only the receiver being thrown to?
(10-23-2018, 07:37 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2018, 03:48 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Also NextGenStats only accounts for separation when the ball is thrown to someone. It doesn't include what is happening when the QB gets sacked, throws it away, or runs the ball.
Do you know if it's for every receiver on the field when the ball is thrown or if it's including only the receiver being thrown to?
This is their definition off their website:
Average Separation (SEP)
The distance (in yards) measured between a WR/TE and the nearest defender at the time of catch or incompletion.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/glossary
The guy the ball is being thrown to is the only one you could measure at the time of the catch or incompletion. The rest of the defenders drop their coverage run towards the ball as soon as the see it thrown, so most every other receiver would be wide open by the time of the catch or incompletion.
As I stated in a different thread. None of our receivers even sniff second string on most teams in the league. They ain't good.
(10-24-2018, 07:26 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]As I stated in a different thread. None of our receivers even sniff second string on most teams in the league. They ain't good.
Hot take. I think you're crazy though.
Moncrief is trash and probably is done in the league after the Pats pick him up next year for a trial.
Lee is very much a #2 on a lot of teams, but he's on IR.
Keelan Cole is an undrafted WR, so we shouldn't expect too much.
However DeDe is a very very good receiver. Willing to bet he'd be #2 on a lot of teams and #1 on a few.
Chark has also shined a bit... but he's a rookie so we wait...
You so crazy...
lemme guess you're in the "It isn't Blake's fault" boat?
(10-24-2018, 02:48 AM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2018, 07:37 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Do you know if it's for every receiver on the field when the ball is thrown or if it's including only the receiver being thrown to?
This is their definition off their website:
Average Separation (SEP)
The distance (in yards) measured between a WR/TE and the nearest defender at the time of catch or incompletion.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/glossary
The guy the ball is being thrown to is the only one you could measure at the time of the catch or incompletion. The rest of the defenders drop their coverage run towards the ball as soon as the see it thrown, so most every other receiver would be wide open by the time of the catch or incompletion.
Thanks.
So, basically, it sounds like Bortles is throwing to the most open receiver.
(10-24-2018, 09:48 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2018, 07:26 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]As I stated in a different thread. None of our receivers even sniff second string on most teams in the league. They ain't good.
Hot take. I think you're crazy though.
Moncrief is trash and probably is done in the league after the Pats pick him up next year for a trial.
Lee is very much a #2 on a lot of teams, but he's on IR.
Keelan Cole is an undrafted WR, so we shouldn't expect too much.
However DeDe is a very very good receiver. Willing to bet he'd be #2 on a lot of teams and #1 on a few.
Chark has also shined a bit... but he's a rookie so we wait...
You so crazy...
lemme guess you're in the "It isn't Blake's fault" boat?
You don't help yourself much when you end your post with the "isn't Blakes fault stuff"...
Considering you just said that Moncrief is about to be out of the league..
Lee hasn't played since the 3rd preseason game.. Zero impact on this season, so that doesn't matter what he is, or isn't at this point..
Cole is an UDFA, so we shouldn't expect much.. Sure doesn't help any QB much if that's the case right?
Chark is a rookie, so we wait.. Still doesn't help any QB much if that's the case right?
How do you just call them all a ???/decent/bad, then try and say that's no excuse for the QB? Doesn't make much sense honestly..
Westbrook is currently the best WR we have playing and it's pretty clear. They really need to get him involved more.
And no this isn't a Bortles hype post. He isn't any good. He isn't helping out these WRs much with some of his garbage throws. He's a big problem as well, but you can't downplay the WR position, then act like it doesn't effect our QB situation as well.
(10-24-2018, 11:57 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2018, 09:48 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Hot take. I think you're crazy though.
Moncrief is trash and probably is done in the league after the Pats pick him up next year for a trial.
Lee is very much a #2 on a lot of teams, but he's on IR.
Keelan Cole is an undrafted WR, so we shouldn't expect too much.
However DeDe is a very very good receiver. Willing to bet he'd be #2 on a lot of teams and #1 on a few.
Chark has also shined a bit... but he's a rookie so we wait...
You so crazy...
lemme guess you're in the "It isn't Blake's fault" boat?
You don't help yourself much when you end your post with the "isn't Blakes fault stuff"...
Considering you just said that Moncrief is about to be out of the league..
Lee hasn't played since the 3rd preseason game.. Zero impact on this season, so that doesn't matter what he is, or isn't at this point..
Cole is an UDFA, so we shouldn't expect much.. Sure doesn't help any QB much if that's the case right?
Chark is a rookie, so we wait.. Still doesn't help any QB much if that's the case right?
How do you just call them all a ???/decent/bad, then try and say that's no excuse for the QB? Doesn't make much sense honestly..
Westbrook is currently the best WR we have playing and it's pretty clear. They really need to get him involved more.
And no this isn't a Bortles hype post. He isn't any good. He isn't helping out these WRs much with some of his garbage throws. He's a big problem as well, but you can't downplay the WR position, then act like it doesn't effect our QB situation as well.
Sounds like you are arguing just to argue actually lol
Blake isn't any good... but blame the WRs too!
I'm not saying we have all-star WRs... The stupid post I responded to said none of these guys would be 2nd stringers on any other team...
I disagreed.
Look at my posts my dude and you will see I've been VERY critical of our WRs.
But it isn't because they aren't talented... it's because they've been making some mental errors (drops)
But as some have said before.... it is easier to catch a spiral than a duck.
And as I have said MANY times before. These guys are paid to catch. Period. It hits your hands... catch it.
So stop putting words in my mouth... I didn't say what you think I said.
I said that poster was probably a Blake leg humper who wants to put ALL the blame anywhere else. (Like WR)
But our guys have been open and Blake has missed them.
He has the most off-target passes in the league (over and under throws) since coming into the league.
The WRs have too many drops... but it doesn't outweigh the poor play of QB (or OL in my book, OL is actually the biggest issue imo, even moreso than Bort)
(10-24-2018, 09:48 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2018, 07:26 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]As I stated in a different thread. None of our receivers even sniff second string on most teams in the league. They ain't good.
Hot take. I think you're crazy though.
Moncrief is trash and probably is done in the league after the Pats pick him up next year for a trial.
Lee is very much a #2 on a lot of teams, but he's on IR.
Keelan Cole is an undrafted WR, so we shouldn't expect too much.
However DeDe is a very very good receiver. Willing to bet he'd be #2 on a lot of teams and #1 on a few.
Chark has also shined a bit... but he's a rookie so we wait...
You so crazy...
lemme guess you're in the "It isn't Blake's fault" boat?
Delusional much?
Westbrook is average. He wouldn't be #1 on any other team.
(10-26-2018, 11:21 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2018, 09:48 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Hot take. I think you're crazy though.
Moncrief is trash and probably is done in the league after the Pats pick him up next year for a trial.
Lee is very much a #2 on a lot of teams, but he's on IR.
Keelan Cole is an undrafted WR, so we shouldn't expect too much.
However DeDe is a very very good receiver. Willing to bet he'd be #2 on a lot of teams and #1 on a few.
Chark has also shined a bit... but he's a rookie so we wait...
You so crazy...
lemme guess you're in the "It isn't Blake's fault" boat?
Delusional much?
Westbrook is average. He wouldn't be #1 on any other team.
Don't talk about delusional. Your entire post history screams 'dolt [BLEEP] troll'
The WRs gotta catch it when BB manages to get it to them accurately. They have to.
The 3rd down drops are absolute killers.
I know he was slow, and way down the WR depth chart at the time, but this Jags team could REALLY use a guy like Walters back this season. You know, someone that would actually CATCH the ball on a 3rd down, move the chains, and then go back to the sidelines until another big 3rd down conversion is needed. Just him being able to move the chains and allow the offense to sustain some decent drives would be huge right now.
Where is he these days anyway? Out of the league now?
Anyway, the Jags could use a sure-handed, possession keeping receiver. Idc if he's a guy that just catches it and falls down for the 1st. They need one.