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I see 2 mocks drafting little 5'9" Kyler Murray late in the first round, and he hasn't stated that he plans to even play in the NFL. If Murray is projected to be drafted in the first round and Grier isn't, Grier is turrible.

(12-28-2018, 08:06 PM)roycee Wrote: [ -> ]this WVU offense without Grier. Is quite the sight to see.

Was night and day

(01-03-2019, 01:41 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]I see 2 mocks drafting little 5'9" Kyler Murray late in the first round, and he hasn't stated that he plans to even play in the NFL.   If Murray is projected to be drafted in the first round and Grier isn't, Grier is turrible.

Coughlin going back to the drawing board this draft. Trading down and grabbing Murray, Jacobs, and Love with Fournette and rollling out the Wildcat, wishbone, flexbone and double wing offense. Power running football is back baby!!!!

(01-03-2019, 01:57 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-28-2018, 08:06 PM)roycee Wrote: [ -> ]this WVU offense without Grier. Is quite the sight to see.

Was night and day

The coach should have put the back up QB during the season to get some experience.  Like Saban did with Tua last season.

(01-03-2019, 02:04 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2019, 01:57 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Was night and day

The coach should have put the back up QB during the season to get some experience.  Like Saban did with Tua last season.

Most teams dont have that luxury

I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen such a dichotomy of opinions on a QB. Lots of people have him top 2/3 and then there are a fair amount saying 3rd-5th rd which is pretty worthless

(01-03-2019, 06:13 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen such a dichotomy of opinions on a QB. Lots of people have him top 2/3 and then there are a fair amount saying 3rd-5th rd which is pretty worthless

I can.

He who shall not be named. With the initials TT...

(01-03-2019, 06:13 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen such a dichotomy of opinions on a QB. Lots of people have him top 2/3 and then there are a fair amount saying 3rd-5th rd which is pretty worthless

What are you looking at? I'm seeing mid-first to at the very lowest late-2nd. I've yet to see anyone mention Grier in the 3rd round or beyond.

(01-03-2019, 07:24 PM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2019, 06:13 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen such a dichotomy of opinions on a QB. Lots of people have him top 2/3 and then there are a fair amount saying 3rd-5th rd which is pretty worthless

What are you looking at? I'm seeing mid-first to at the very lowest late-2nd. I've yet to see anyone mention Grier in the 3rd round or beyond.

Yeah... that seemed a bit hyperbolic.

I have seen one or two posters on this board give him an extremely low grade.
But trollers gonna troll.

Worst mock I've seen has Grier mid round 2.
Worst position I've seen him graded is early 2nd rounder.

But yeah, his polarization is kinda crazy.
Though we've seen it before... Manziel and Mayfield were both kinda mocked all over from 1st to 2nd round....

It will be interesting to see where Grier ends up on boards after the combine.

My gut tells me he'll be a mid-to-late first rounder. I doubt he's on the board for the Jags' second pick. Would be awesome if they could snag him in a trade down from #7 and add picks.

(01-04-2019, 04:15 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It will be interesting to see where Grier ends up on boards after the combine.  

My gut tells me he'll be a mid-to-late first rounder.  I doubt he's on the board for the Jags' second pick. Would be awesome if they could snag him in a trade down from #7 and add picks.

Outside of Haskins falling to #7, this would be the ideal scenario. Getting multiple picks to get the offense on the right track. Only question is how much are you willing to risk losing your guy if you trade down and someone else snatches him up?

Short QBs with meh arms don't tend to make it to the first but in this class I could see it

(01-04-2019, 05:33 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Short QBs with meh arms don't tend to make it to the first but in this class I could see it

Rocket arms are overrated. Give me someone who can make all the throws. That is al I need.

There are very few throws in the route tree that will give Grier trouble. And the ones that might are the same ones that half of the starting QBs in the NFL have trouble with as well.

His velocity is not off the charts, but his cut-ups are littered with him hitting receivers in stride on intermediate and deep routes. I don't have any concern about his arm. His size and lack of time under center are my only issues. And his cut-ups have quite a bit of evidence of him making reads and picking the right guy, so... not a major concern there for me either.

(01-04-2019, 05:41 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-04-2019, 05:33 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Short QBs with meh arms don't tend to make it to the first but in this class I could see it

Rocket arms are overrated. Give me someone who can make all the throws. That is al I need.

Rocket arms are overrated. Just not in the eyes of the NFL

(01-04-2019, 06:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]There are very few throws in the route tree that will give Grier trouble. And the ones that might are the same ones that half of the starting QBs in the NFL have trouble with as well.

His velocity is not off the charts, but his cut-ups are littered with him hitting receivers in stride on intermediate and deep routes. I don't have any concern about his arm.  His size and lack of time under center are my only issues. And his cut-ups have quite a bit of evidence of him making reads and picking the right guy, so... not a major concern there for me either.

He'll have to cut out a lot of those lofted passes to the sidelines and on deep outs. He's not really able to zip the ball to those spots effectively even at the college level. He's very similar to Rudolph in that his placement and touch on deep passes is superb but lacks the ability to drive it up the field regularly.

Firm believer that his accuracy and placement matter more than his lack of an above average arm though. He's very very aware of how a DB is defending his receiver and adjusting accordingly, that's something not every NFL QB can do. After watching his play from 17 through to 18 you can also see him understand where each individual WR prefers to have the ball thrown to him and adjusting to that too.

(01-04-2019, 08:24 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-04-2019, 05:41 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Rocket arms are overrated. Give me someone who can make all the throws. That is al I need.

Rocket arms are overrated. Just not in the eyes of the NFL

They are. Tons of big arm QBs get drafted largely because they have those arms, which inevitably lead to a few "flashes" in college, the combine, etc. and some team thinks they can fix them despite them being inaccurate, not being able to read a simple defense, or not being able to handle pressure. But they have that arm strength!

(01-04-2019, 08:51 PM)roycee Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-04-2019, 08:24 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Rocket arms are overrated. Just not in the eyes of the NFL

They are. Tons of big arm QBs get drafted largely because they have those arms, which inevitably lead to a few "flashes" in college, the combine, etc. and some team thinks they can fix them despite them being inaccurate, not being able to read a simple defense, or not being able to handle pressure. But they have that arm strength!

Yep that's how guys like Gabbert end up going high. The egos of the front office and coaches focus too much on what they'd look like if everything gets fixed.

(01-04-2019, 05:41 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-04-2019, 05:33 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Short QBs with meh arms don't tend to make it to the first but in this class I could see it

Rocket arms are overrated. Give me someone who can make all the throws. That is al I need.

Rocket arms are great, if the QB has a quick release. Unfortunately, in many cases rocket arms also come with a big windup that causes the QB to get the ball out late. That's what you have to watch for.

(01-04-2019, 08:41 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-04-2019, 06:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]There are very few throws in the route tree that will give Grier trouble. And the ones that might are the same ones that half of the starting QBs in the NFL have trouble with as well.

His velocity is not off the charts, but his cut-ups are littered with him hitting receivers in stride on intermediate and deep routes. I don't have any concern about his arm.  His size and lack of time under center are my only issues. And his cut-ups have quite a bit of evidence of him making reads and picking the right guy, so... not a major concern there for me either.

He'll have to cut out a lot of those lofted passes to the sidelines and on deep outs. He's not really able to zip the ball to those spots effectively even at the college level. He's very similar to Rudolph in that his placement and touch on deep passes is superb but lacks the ability to drive it up the field regularly.

Firm believer that his accuracy and placement matter more than his lack of an above average arm though. He's very very aware of how a DB is defending his receiver and adjusting accordingly, that's something not every NFL QB can do. After watching his play from 17 through to 18 you can also see him understand where each individual WR prefers to have the ball thrown to him and adjusting to that too.

 
I think he can throw 85-90% of the pro route tree with very minimal adjustment to that loft that he does get carried away with at times. 

Considering we just sat through 5 years of a guy that could throw maybe 55% percent of that tree... well, I'm pretty open to the kid's potential to upgrade the position.  

If he can throw a lofted 70 yard bomb and hit a guy in stride, he can probably learn to throw intermediate passes more efficiently with less loft.