(11-11-2018, 05:09 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]It was a fumble. He had no control. Would you guys stop with blaming the refs for once???
According to the 2018 NFL rule book a fumble is defined as:
"...any act, other than passing, successful handing, or legally kicking the ball, which results in a loss of player possession." (Rule 3, section 2, article 5).
Control isn't specifically mentioned. There are different caveats that vary according to the scenario in question (for example the tuck rule). The receiver still had possession when the knee touched. Given this and how the replay should only be used to reverse a call on the field if there's clear visual evidence, I'd say Jaguar fans have a right to be ticked. Also the fact that the next play got off before the replay whistle but they blew it dead anyway. That's not supposed to happen.
(11-11-2018, 05:29 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair, yes the defense didn't give up any points second half but it was pretty lucky. Telvin interception he was beat by 3 yards and the ball bounces off the TE into his hands. Vinateri missed a FG. Colts RB dropped a pass over the middle where he still might be running. They still were getting outschemed IMO.
^this
Defense played better in the second half. But not really good. D-line played well, especially Campbell.
I think it was a fumble in reality but the camera actually showed no definitive evidence of it. Essentially the booth guessed using intuition rather than based purely on the evidence.
Not sure that's the job of instant replay.
(11-11-2018, 05:31 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Bringing us to within 3 points. If Lambo doesn't miss, they bring to a tie. Don't try to spin this. Defense lost this game by 2 1/2 quarters of absolute suckage.
I see. So defense is supposed to only allow less than 16 points every week for us to win? Got it. So the only week they succeeded in was against Titans and we STILL lost that game. Offense has it easy yall. They only need to score 2 TDs and a FG to win their games. WOW.
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Doesn't matter this team is broken from top to bottom starting with the coaching staff being absolutely hemmed in by a QB that can't make all the throws. The color guy was saying the whole game depending on YAC is not going to get it done in this league.
Offensive line is a mash unit. Defense has major communication problems. And our solid kicker finally missed a kick. Every pass is an adventure because you don't know if....
The ball will be thrown correctly
The receiver wont drop it
If they catch it they wont fumble it
Fournette helped by playing well but this team had one good game this year. I guess we should be happy that they beat the Patriots.
Honestly know that the playoffs are virtually out of reach, we will probably beat the Steelers. I can't believe we weren't starting success but instead have one fluke year to hang our hats on for the fans.
Anyone think we are doing something ground breaking in the off season? I bet we quadruple down on Bortles because of cap and just sell the fans on injuries.
(11-11-2018, 05:37 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2018, 05:31 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Bringing us to within 3 points. If Lambo doesn't miss, they bring to a tie. Don't try to spin this. Defense lost this game by 2 1/2 quarters of absolute suckage.
I see. So defense is supposed to only allow less than 16 points every week for us to win? Got it. So the only week they succeeded in was against Titans and we STILL lost that game. Offense has it easy yall. They only need to score 2 TDs and a FG to win their games. WOW.
What the [BLEEP] have you been smoking?
(11-11-2018, 05:44 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette helped by playing well but this team had one good game this year. I guess we should be happy that they beat the Patriots.
Did we watch the same game?
(11-11-2018, 05:44 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn't matter this team is broken from top to bottom starting with the coaching staff being absolutely hemmed in by a QB that can't make all the throws. The color guy was saying the whole game depending on YAC is not going to get it done in this league.
Offensive line is a mash unit. Defense has major communication problems. And our solid kicker finally missed a kick. Every pass is an adventure because you don't know if....
The ball will be thrown correctly
The receiver wont drop it
If they catch it they wont fumble it
Fournette helped by playing well but this team had one good game this year. I guess we should be happy that they beat the Patriots.
Honestly now that the playoffs are virtually out of reach, we will probably beat the Steelers. I can't believe we weren't starting success but instead have one fluke year to hang our hats on for the fans.
Anyone think we are doing something ground breaking in the off season? I bet we quadruple down on Bortles because of cap and just sell the fans on injuries.
(11-11-2018, 05:45 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2018, 05:44 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette helped by playing well but this team had one good game this year. I guess we should be happy that they beat the Patriots.
Did we watch the same game?
Did we? He scored and did what we would expect. What am I missing?
(11-11-2018, 05:37 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]I think it was a fumble in reality but the camera actually showed no definitive evidence of it. Essentially the booth guessed using intuition rather than based purely on the evidence.
Not sure that's the job of instant replay.
Indisputable means the 5 guys on post game shouldn't be split on the decision. If they are then clearly it should've been as originally called on the field.
(11-11-2018, 05:37 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2018, 05:31 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]Bringing us to within 3 points. If Lambo doesn't miss, they bring to a tie. Don't try to spin this. Defense lost this game by 2 1/2 quarters of absolute suckage.
I see. So defense is supposed to only allow less than 16 points every week for us to win? Got it. So the only week they succeeded in was against Titans and we STILL lost that game. Offense has it easy yall. They only need to score 2 TDs and a FG to win their games. WOW.
Just keep spinning. O scored 26, should have been 29 points. Plenty enough to win. If that blows your mind, well...
(11-11-2018, 05:45 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2018, 05:44 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Fournette helped by playing well but this team had one good game this year. I guess we should be happy that they beat the Patriots.
Did we watch the same game?
He was responsible for 109 yards from scrimmage and a TD. Not great but not terrible. His ypc didn't look so hot, it was reduced by some negative attempts. I'd put that on the OL allowing to much penetration.
It's just so bizarre that Fournette can be averaging 3 yards a carry and the team will just feed and feed and feed him, yet Yeldon can average 5+ yards per carry and we're lucky if he'll get to double digit carries.
What's that you say? Yeldon is averaging 5 yards per carry? Well better dial up 30 straight passes!!
(11-11-2018, 05:48 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2018, 05:45 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Did we watch the same game?
He was responsible for 109 yards from scrimmage and a TD. Not great but not terrible. His ypc didn't look so hot, it was reduced by some negative attempts. I'd put that on the OL allowing to much penetration.
He had 30 touches. 109 yards on thirty touches and a couple of 1 yard TDs isn't special. It essentially was the single game version of what his season was last year, enough attempts to get to respectable totals, but inspected on a per play contribution he came up very short of what the expectations should be for a guy that had a top 5 draft selection flushed on him.
(11-11-2018, 05:59 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It's just so bizarre that Fournette can be averaging 3 yards a carry and the team will just feed and feed and feed him, yet Yeldon can average 5+ yards per carry and we're lucky if he'll get to double digit carries.
What's that you say? Yeldon is averaging 5 yards per carry? Well better dial up 30 straight passes!!
Yeah that's also what I was saying the past few games as well and i had little doubt that once Fournette was back he would have taken back to back carries for like 2 yards (like in the first half). When he's not on the field on 1st down situations our offense is much more unpredictable (as it can be because of our limitations).
(11-11-2018, 05:59 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It's just so bizarre that Fournette can be averaging 3 yards a carry and the team will just feed and feed and feed him, yet Yeldon can average 5+ yards per carry and we're lucky if he'll get to double digit carries.
What's that you say? Yeldon is averaging 5 yards per carry? Well better dial up 30 straight passes!!
It's because Yeldon usually gets the ball on 3rd down when teams are in their pass defense and LF get it on 2nd and 3rd with stacked boxes when teams know we are going to run. It's not really that hard to figure out
There is a reason Borltes was the best QB in the league last year on passing on 1st downs. Because they always think we are going to run on 1st and when we pass do a PA to Fournette on 1st down somebody is usually open
(11-11-2018, 06:04 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2018, 05:59 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It's just so bizarre that Fournette can be averaging 3 yards a carry and the team will just feed and feed and feed him, yet Yeldon can average 5+ yards per carry and we're lucky if he'll get to double digit carries.
What's that you say? Yeldon is averaging 5 yards per carry? Well better dial up 30 straight passes!!
It's because Yeldon usually gets the ball on 3rd down when teams are in their pass defense and LF get it on 2nd and 3rd with stacked boxes when teams know we are going to run. It's not really that hard to figure out
Except that I watched weeks 2-7, and so I know that isn't true at all.
(11-11-2018, 06:03 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2018, 05:48 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]He was responsible for 109 yards from scrimmage and a TD. Not great but not terrible. His ypc didn't look so hot, it was reduced by some negative attempts. I'd put that on the OL allowing to much penetration.
He had 30 touches. 109 yards on thirty touches and a couple of 1 yard TDs isn't special. It essentially was the single game version of what his season was last year, enough attempts to get to respectable totals, but inspected on a per play contribution he came up very short of what the expectations should be for a guy that had a top 5 draft selection flushed on him.
I get what you are saying but he did his job which is to zero out Bortles turnover machine potential. Irony is a killer fumble happened from a routine tackle. Ugh this team is doomed.
(11-11-2018, 06:07 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2018, 06:03 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]He had 30 touches. 109 yards on thirty touches and a couple of 1 yard TDs isn't special. It essentially was the single game version of what his season was last year, enough attempts to get to respectable totals, but inspected on a per play contribution he came up very short of what the expectations should be for a guy that had a top 5 draft selection flushed on him.
I get what you are saying but he did his job which is to zero out Bortles turnover machine potential. Irony is a killer fumble happened from a routine tackle. Ugh this team is doomed.
I'd say irony doesn't really capture it. We've seen a ton of WR fumbles this year. More like deja vu.
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