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I love how the "success" barometer for a 5th year #3 overall pick is how a backup QB who was picked #93 in the draft plays in his first start.

You Bortles apologist' make me giggle.

(11-30-2018, 11:08 AM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-30-2018, 10:56 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting take.  What do you think the purpose of putting the offset language in his guarantee portion of his deal next year was for then?

It's possible he's here.  It's possible he's starting. But based on his deal and everything we've seen from him to date, it's far more likely the team is planning to move on from him if they can.  The draft doesn't always go the way you want unless you have the number 1 overall pick which I don't think we'll end up with so it's possible they plan to move on from him but can't find an appropriate successor in the draft.  Also, I think signing a starting QB in free agency would require too much of a combined cap hit from the new QB's salary and Blake's dead money hit to be a viable solution here.  The successor, if he arrives next year, would almost certainly have to come in the draft and guys that are capable of starting right away tend to get drafted pretty high.

Based on our history, I feel strongly that they don't want to draft a guy to start immediately. Especially if he isn't NFL ready. The last two times that has happened, look how it has turned out. If they sign or trade for a vet like Stafford who everyone wants, they will cut Blake and draft a QB. If they don't, they probably will still draft a QB and Blake will start until the rookie is ready. I seriously believe they are trying to stay away from playing the rookie day 1.

That sounds like a fine plan until you take the salary cap into account.  Who else are we cutting to pay Stafford and eat Blake's dead money?  Stafford on his current deal would have a cap number of $19 million next year in a Jags uni and Blake's dead money number is going to be between $10 and $16.5 million.  At the very least, the combined amount would be $29 million and probably more realistically like $32 million.   That number is not unfathomable, but you're probably cutting guys elsewhere that you weren't planning on to meet that cap hit at QB.  

This doesn't even take into account the Lions cap situation which if they trade or release Stafford would require them to take a $49 million dollar cap hit next year.  He's pretty much going to be a Lion for the next 2 years at least as a result of his deal.

(11-30-2018, 11:31 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-30-2018, 11:08 AM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]Based on our history, I feel strongly that they don't want to draft a guy to start immediately. Especially if he isn't NFL ready. The last two times that has happened, look how it has turned out. If they sign or trade for a vet like Stafford who everyone wants, they will cut Blake and draft a QB. If they don't, they probably will still draft a QB and Blake will start until the rookie is ready. I seriously believe they are trying to stay away from playing the rookie day 1.

That sounds like a fine plan until you take the salary cap into account.  Who else are we cutting to pay Stafford and eat Blake's dead money?  Stafford on his current deal would have a cap number of $19 million next year in a Jags uni and Blake's dead money number is going to be between $10 and $16.5 million.  At the very least, the combined amount would be $29 million and probably more realistically like $32 million.   That number is not unfathomable, but you're probably cutting guys elsewhere that you weren't planning on to meet that cap hit at QB.  

This doesn't even take into account the Lions cap situation which if they trade or release Stafford would require them to take a $49 million dollar cap hit next year.  He's pretty much going to be a Lion for the next 2 years at least as a result of his deal.

That's why I feel like we will be staying in our same situation as well. Some throw out Flacco's name but buddy's contract is big as well. The harsh reality is that Blake may start next year. IMO I don't see a QB in college right now that can come in and start in the NFL. But hey, im no scout. Im no insider.

I do believe that Blake will be here next year and start if no viable vet QB is signed.

(11-30-2018, 11:39 AM)Jay Carter 904 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-30-2018, 11:31 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]That sounds like a fine plan until you take the salary cap into account.  Who else are we cutting to pay Stafford and eat Blake's dead money?  Stafford on his current deal would have a cap number of $19 million next year in a Jags uni and Blake's dead money number is going to be between $10 and $16.5 million.  At the very least, the combined amount would be $29 million and probably more realistically like $32 million.   That number is not unfathomable, but you're probably cutting guys elsewhere that you weren't planning on to meet that cap hit at QB.  

This doesn't even take into account the Lions cap situation which if they trade or release Stafford would require them to take a $49 million dollar cap hit next year.  He's pretty much going to be a Lion for the next 2 years at least as a result of his deal.

That's why I feel like we will be staying in our same situation as well. Some throw out Flacco's name but buddy's contract is big as well. The harsh reality is that Blake may start next year. IMO I don't see a QB in college right now that can come in and start in the NFL. But hey, im no scout. Im no insider.

I do believe that Blake will be here next year and start if no viable vet QB is signed.

You're right. No one here is a scout or insider.

But there are a lot of insiders out there with direct information in the building. They believe Blake is gone next year. You are under the belief that Blake will be the starter next year even though they have benched him for a (in your eyes) worse QB in Kessler. What does that say about Blake? There will be a new OC next season. What OC is going to want to come in here with Blake? Try and teach a QB with clear limitations a new system and pay Blake 21 million?

I take all these factors into consideration and to me, it spells out the end for Blake. Cut him, play Kessler or someone else a minimum contract and draft a rookie. The Jags have no money for Teddy B or any other QB with a price tag over 10 million.

(11-30-2018, 11:46 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]You're right. No one here is a scout or insider.

But there are a lot of insiders out there with direct information in the building. They believe Blake is gone next year. You are under the belief that Blake will be the starter next year even though they have benched him for a (in your eyes) worse QB in Kessler. What does that say about Blake? There will be a new OC next season. What OC is going to want to come in here with Blake? Try and teach a QB with clear limitations a new system and pay Blake 21 million?

I take all these factors into consideration and to me, it spells out the end for Blake. Cut him, play Kessler or someone else a minimum contract and draft a rookie. The Jags have no money for Teddy B or any other QB with a price tag over 10 million.

If they cut him, they should be the premier spot for non-starters looking to become a starter.

I don't think Bortles will be on the roster next season, but at the same time I don't see him being straight up cut.  I still kind of think that he somehow gets traded away.  While no, he isn't a franchise QB he is still a very capable backup.  What hinders this team right now is his salary.  The only other possibility that I could see (though VERY doubtful) is him restructuring or re-doing his contract to basically pay him backup money.

(11-30-2018, 04:29 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Bortles will be on the roster next season, but at the same time I don't see him being straight up cut.  I still kind of think that he somehow gets traded away.  While no, he isn't a franchise QB he is still a very capable backup.  What hinders this team right now is his salary.  The only other possibility that I could see (though VERY doubtful) is him restructuring or re-doing his contract to basically pay him backup money.

I'd like to see him restructure and stay as the backup.  But I'm not sure it would make sense for him financially.  If he's cut, doesn't he walk away with the remaining $10 in signing bonus and the $6.5 million of next year's salary that's guaranteed?  It would take him 3 or 4 years of backup money to recoup that.

(11-30-2018, 05:08 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-30-2018, 04:29 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Bortles will be on the roster next season, but at the same time I don't see him being straight up cut.  I still kind of think that he somehow gets traded away.  While no, he isn't a franchise QB he is still a very capable backup.  What hinders this team right now is his salary.  The only other possibility that I could see (though VERY doubtful) is him restructuring or re-doing his contract to basically pay him backup money.

I'd like to see him restructure and stay as the backup.  But I'm not sure it would make sense for him financially.  If he's cut, doesn't he walk away with the remaining $10 in signing bonus and the $6.5 million of next year's salary that's guaranteed?  It would take him 3 or 4 years of backup money to recoup that.

I agree that it wouldn't make sense for him financially.  That's why I said that the scenario was VERY doubtful.  I think the likely thing that will happen is that he gets traded away.  After all, we got a 7th(?) for Gabbert and he was way worse than Bortles.

The only two things that I'm almost sure of and would bet money on.

1.  Bortles will not be on the 53 man roster for this team next season.

2.  Bortles will be on a 53 man roster in the league somewhere.  After all, Henne has a job right now.

I have a strange suspicion we're going to win this week. This team blocks for Kessler. And the Colts aren't good on the road.

(12-01-2018, 01:23 AM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]I have a strange suspicion we're going to win this week. This team blocks for Kessler. And the Colts aren't good on the road.

Nah, Colts are on a roll. They got a good o line and Luck is on fi-ya. Colts are playing for the playoffs, Jaguars are just going through the motions. Blowout.

(12-01-2018, 01:23 AM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]I have a strange suspicion we're going to win this week. This team blocks for Kessler. And the Colts aren't good on the road.

Also the receivers seem a little more capable with Kessler throwing them the ball. This might be because he throws a more consistent spiral. I think the Jags can get this one too but it won't be easy.

There simply isn’t a large enough body of work to predict how Kessler will do with this team. Especially this banged up one. We’ll know within the first offensive series how the rest of the season will play out.

Statistically Blake was the 12th most effecient QB in the league last year, plus most of his weapons were trash.

I don't expect any QB on the roster to be a part of this team moving forward.

Wholesale changes are needed, IMO. The difference between this year and last illustrates how fragile our success truly was... that the foundation itself was not the sustainable one we expected it to be.

This appears to be simply an extension of our inability to build a solid foundation for success. We have added some exceptional pieces here and there, but to be against the cap and have the collapse from last season to now clearly shows that there are gaping holes in spite of that investment.

IMO, we should part ways with Caldwell and possibly more coaching staff.

I also think it's time to cut bait with Bortles.

Khan should complete the job and overhaul the product on the field the same way he has the facilities around it. Go big and bold.

Continuity at this point is continuing to come up short. As much as some may dislike the idea, I feel they should completely blow this thing up to rebuild it. Last year's success has proven to be a short lived window that has already shut. The cost has been sunk. We need to move onward and upward without looking back any more.

(12-02-2018, 12:31 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]I don't expect any QB on the roster to be a part of this team moving forward.

Wholesale changes are needed, IMO.  The difference between this year and last illustrates how fragile our success truly was... that the foundation itself was not the sustainable one we expected it to be.

This appears to be simply an extension of our inability to build a solid foundation for success.  We have added some exceptional pieces here and there, but to be against the cap and have the collapse from last season to now clearly shows that there are gaping holes in spite of that investment.

IMO, we should part ways with Caldwell and possibly more coaching staff.

I also think it's time to cut bait with Bortles.

Khan should complete the job and overhaul the product on the field the same way he has the facilities around it.  Go big and bold.

Continuity at this point is continuing to come up short.  As much as some may dislike the idea, I feel they should completely blow this thing up to rebuild it.  Last year's success has proven to be a short lived window that has already shut.  The cost has been sunk.  We need to move onward and upward without looking back any more.

Nooooooooo, another 9 dark seasons before we make the playoffs

You're looking back.

(12-02-2018, 12:31 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]I don't expect any QB on the roster to be a part of this team moving forward.

Wholesale changes are needed, IMO.  The difference between this year and last illustrates how fragile our success truly was... that the foundation itself was not the sustainable one we expected it to be.

This appears to be simply an extension of our inability to build a solid foundation for success.  We have added some exceptional pieces here and there, but to be against the cap and have the collapse from last season to now clearly shows that there are gaping holes in spite of that investment.

IMO, we should part ways with Caldwell and possibly more coaching staff.

I also think it's time to cut bait with Bortles.

Khan should complete the job and overhaul the product on the field the same way he has the facilities around it.  Go big and bold.

Continuity at this point is continuing to come up short.  As much as some may dislike the idea, I feel they should completely blow this thing up to rebuild it.  Last year's success has proven to be a short lived window that has already shut.  The cost has been sunk.  We need to move onward and upward without looking back any more.

Please stop. The hysterical high-pitched call to 'blow it all up' is getting tiresome.

(12-02-2018, 12:36 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]You're looking back.

I just want 1 Super Bowl win before I die then the Jaguars can go to obscurity forever.  We really just need a QB and bring everyone back for one more run.

i understand yall want to win right away. but you look at a QB like alex smith who was listed as a bust after 5 years and traded off for kap and 3 years later kap isnt in the league and you ppl where begging to get alex smith. SMH your either in it for the long haul or you will be the browns.

(12-02-2018, 01:58 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]i understand yall want to win right away. but you look at a QB like alex smith who was listed as a bust after 5 years and traded off for kap and 3 years later kap isnt in the league and you ppl where begging to get alex smith. SMH your either in it for the long haul or you will be the browns.

5 years isn't a long enough audition for you?