(12-10-2018, 05:02 PM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2018, 04:05 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that Coughlin will probably stay in his box next to Tony, but how can he "assert more dominance and control" if he has final say in all things football?
Why does 'ol Tom get a pass? I think the old 1996 image of Coughlin has been non-viable for many, many years. Why do you think he's all that different than Marrone?
Players get injured and all of a sudden everyone's perception of people changes. Weird.
Look, I don't think Tom is a genius by any stretch of the word, but the fact is, the guy knows football more than anyone else in our front office. You'd think we'd learn the first time we chased him out of town, the guy deserves a decade to prove his worth before retiring.
I think he earned being chased out of town the first time when he went full dictator and tried to wear every hat in the damn building. Hell, the Giants had to threaten firing him twice to reel him in there. He has a control freak problem that's pretty well documented.
I'd not be the least bit surprised if he bullied his way into being asked to leave one more time. It's in his nature.
That said, I do think his presence in the front office could turn out to be a good thing.
This offseason will be very telling in that regard.
Coaching personnel, possibly GM hiring (or elimination), and player acquisition will set the table for whether TC is good for this organization or not. Big decisions to be made and he's the guy with the ear of the owners.
(12-10-2018, 05:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2018, 05:02 PM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ]Look, I don't think Tom is a genius by any stretch of the word, but the fact is, the guy knows football more than anyone else in our front office. You'd think we'd learn the first time we chased him out of town, the guy deserves a decade to prove his worth before retiring.
I think he earned being chased out of town the first time when he went full dictator and tried to wear every hat in the damn building. Hell, the Giants had to threaten firing him twice to reel him in there. He has a control freak problem that's pretty well documented.
I'd not be the least bit surprised if he bullied his way into being asked to leave one more time. It's in his nature.
That said, I do think his presence in the front office could turn out to be a good thing.
This offseason will be very telling in that regard.
Coaching personnel, possibly GM hiring (or elimination), and player acquisition will set the table for whether TC is good for this organization or not. Big decisions to be made and he's the guy with the ear of the owners.
When I think about situations such as this, it reminds me of my time in the military. The buck stops with whoever is in charge. I've seen careers lost because a subordinate (in this case player(s) ) failed to do their job(s). How high up is the question. Is it the department head (coordinator)? The commanding officer (head coach)? The wing commander (executive vice-president of football operations)? How high up the chain do you go?
It's just my opinion, but I think that they went too far already. Hackett (in my opinion) should have never lost his job due to the circumstances of this season, injuries being the biggest concern. Firing the "next lower in command" of the offense made sense (benching Bortles).
I think Doug Marone made the wrong choice to relieve Hackett of his duties. From what was said and reported, this was Marone's decision with the backing of his boss (Tom Coughlin).
As far as Coughlin being the Head Coach, I doubt that it's even a possibility. Why would he take a step down? I don't know what he makes but I seriously doubt that any owner is going to pay his salary to do the job of a lower paid position. I also doubt that Coughlin would agree to a lower salary and a lower position.
The bottom line is that these "reports" are just mere speculation by a blogger calling himself a "journalist" that happened to publish it.
This is Coughlin. He'd be the Head Coach/EVP of Football Operations.
After listening to the 1010 clip of Coleman and Ballou calling out LaCanfora a few things were evident.
a - it didn't get fully out of hand until Ballou just belts out "I think you make a lot of things up"
b - Coleman - who usually speaks with great linear clarity got a little tripped up in his challenging of JLC's assertions - took some of the thunder out of it unfortunately.
c - it was clear JLC was ambushed a bit here as these types of calls are usually preceded by a list of agreed upon talking points -- JLC's credibility and whether he invented the narrative certainly was not one of them. I think he probably had one person close to TC tell him that they think TC might want to coach again and he just ran with it knowing it would get buzz - and not long ago it would be considered much worse than it is nowadays.
I'm glad he was called out - even if they didn't do the most graceful job of it.
(12-10-2018, 08:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]After listening to the 1010 clip of Coleman and Ballou calling out LaCanfora a few things were evident.
a - it didn't get fully out of hand until Ballou just belts out "I think you make a lot of things up"
b - Coleman - who usually speaks with great linear clarity got a little tripped up in his challenging of JLC's assertions - took some of the thunder out of it unfortunately.
c - it was clear JLC was ambushed a bit here as these types of calls are usually preceded by a list of agreed upon talking points -- JLC's credibility and whether he invented the narrative certainly was not one of them. I think he probably had one person close to TC tell him that they think TC might want to coach again and he just ran with it knowing it would get buzz - and not long ago it would be considered much worse than it is nowadays.
I'm glad he was called out - even if they didn't do the most graceful job of it.
Bingo.
Forgive me but I don’t want Coughlin anywhere near this team. His old school mentality is just that.... old. You have to be willing to adapt to the times and it’s clear he hasn’t. I wasn’t too fond of the hire last year and no one really knows his role. Does he make all the draft choices? The FA players? Is he just a figure head? Who knows.
(12-10-2018, 08:49 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2018, 08:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]After listening to the 1010 clip of Coleman and Ballou calling out LaCanfora a few things were evident.
a - it didn't get fully out of hand until Ballou just belts out "I think you make a lot of things up"
b - Coleman - who usually speaks with great linear clarity got a little tripped up in his challenging of JLC's assertions - took some of the thunder out of it unfortunately.
c - it was clear JLC was ambushed a bit here as these types of calls are usually preceded by a list of agreed upon talking points -- JLC's credibility and whether he invented the narrative certainly was not one of them. I think he probably had one person close to TC tell him that they think TC might want to coach again and he just ran with it knowing it would get buzz - and not long ago it would be considered much worse than it is nowadays.
I'm glad he was called out - even if they didn't do the most graceful job of it.
Bingo.
Forgive me but I don’t want Coughlin anywhere near this team. His old school mentality is just that.... old. You have to be willing to adapt to the times and it’s clear he hasn’t. I wasn’t too fond of the hire last year and no one really knows his role. Does he make all the draft choices? The FA players? Is he just a figure head? Who knows.
He's got final say. I originally interpreted that as meaning that if there was a disagreement between Caldwell and Marrone, Coughlin would choose the winner. Based on what I've read this year, I'm starting to think that means that Coughlin makes the decisions on personnel, draft picks, etc., Marrone coaches the team, and Caldwell is a glorified scouting director.
(12-10-2018, 09:46 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2018, 08:49 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Bingo.
Forgive me but I don’t want Coughlin anywhere near this team. His old school mentality is just that.... old. You have to be willing to adapt to the times and it’s clear he hasn’t. I wasn’t too fond of the hire last year and no one really knows his role. Does he make all the draft choices? The FA players? Is he just a figure head? Who knows.
He's got final say. I originally interpreted that as meaning that if there was a disagreement between Caldwell and Marrone, Coughlin would choose the winner. Based on what I've read this year, I'm starting to think that means that Coughlin makes the decisions on personnel, draft picks, etc., Marrone coaches the team, and Caldwell is a glorified scouting director.
Pretty much other than the Caldwell part. He essentially ran the draft sides of things but he absolutely would have had input on everything else too, even if he didn't always get the final say.
For instance by all accounts Caldwell talked Tom into Blake. It's evident that Tom didn't want to step on too many toes early on and be completely bullish.
(12-10-2018, 08:28 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]After listening to the 1010 clip of Coleman and Ballou calling out LaCanfora a few things were evident.
a - it didn't get fully out of hand until Ballou just belts out "I think you make a lot of things up"
b - Coleman - who usually speaks with great linear clarity got a little tripped up in his challenging of JLC's assertions - took some of the thunder out of it unfortunately.
c - it was clear JLC was ambushed a bit here as these types of calls are usually preceded by a list of agreed upon talking points -- JLC's credibility and whether he invented the narrative certainly was not one of them. I think he probably had one person close to TC tell him that they think TC might want to coach again and he just ran with it knowing it would get buzz - and not long ago it would be considered much worse than it is nowadays.
I'm glad he was called out - even if they didn't do the most graceful job of it.
They actually handled it well until the end. They let him talk about what he reported. Then they asked where he was hearing it from as it wasn't coming from within the building with TC stopping leaks. The local guys saying they haven't heard anything.
They needed to just flat out ask where he got this info since no one in Jacksonville has gotten the same info. Say it seems like you are just throwing something out there as rumors and then reporting it as a fact.
I'm fine with rumors, but just state it as a rumor and not a reportable fact that you have confirmed. Twitter has blurred those lines, but if you keep reporting rumors as facts, you will miss too many times and people will stop listening.
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(12-10-2018, 10:08 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2018, 09:46 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]He's got final say. I originally interpreted that as meaning that if there was a disagreement between Caldwell and Marrone, Coughlin would choose the winner. Based on what I've read this year, I'm starting to think that means that Coughlin makes the decisions on personnel, draft picks, etc., Marrone coaches the team, and Caldwell is a glorified scouting director.
Pretty much other than the Caldwell part. He essentially ran the draft sides of things but he absolutely would have had input on everything else too, even if he didn't always get the final say.
For instance by all accounts Caldwell talked Tom into Blake. It's evident that Tom didn't want to step on too many toes early on and be completely bullish.
This keeps popping up in thread, after thread, after thread.
I've yet to see anyone cite any credible source to support this. Where are you getting this?
(please don't say JLC
)
Stating rumors as "facts" is skating on very,very thin ice.
I heard the same radio thing and JLC was very evasive.....he got po'ed and hung up. LoL